AFFL: FINANCIAL ISSUES AND CONCERNS (3 Viewers)

beachbum said:

LATEST EMAIL:

Let us begin by saying thank you for the patience that you have shown throughout this ordeal.

The unfortunate events that have darkened the name of the AFFL have proved too much to overcome. When we started this venture back in March we envisioned a resurrection of the AFFL name. We wanted to come in, make things right, and then move forward. We knew that to keep the AFFL alive would mean paying out all the 2007 prizes as well as pre-securing 2008 prizes. We wanted to prove to the AFFL customers, and the fantasy community, that we would not make the same mistakes that previous ownership did. We wanted to prove to them that we were guys that could be trusted. Unfortunately, mostly due to timing and the economy, we were unable to raise the substantial amount of money it would require to do so. So now what?

There are a lot of people out there that love to play fantasy football and the AFFL provided a great place to do it. In the past few months we have spoken with a lot of customers and have had positive feedback about the structure of the contest. To date, the AFFL has reached almost $60,000 in signups for the upcoming season, all without a resolution to the 2007 problems being announced. People want to play.

We love fantasy football just like you guys. We've been playing for a long time and have wanted to start a contest for a while. We've put a lot of time and money into this and do not want to give up. We're out of ideas, and out of ways to cut costs. This is what we have left.

We are no longer going to try to fix someone else's mistakes and problems. We also do not want to have to pay for someone else's mistakes and problems. We are upfront and honest guys that want to put a great contest out there for the fantasy football community. Therefore, we’re going to take the only option left for us at this time. We are going to start a new contest. We will use the same AFFL software and website, and change the name of the contest in the future. The contest will be run in the exact same fashion as the AFFL. All previously posted prizes and rules will not change. As 2007 prize winners ourselves, we really wanted to make things right and payout 2007 winners. As we stated earlier, we are sad to say that with only a few weeks left until the season starts that’s going to be impossible. We are offering the following three choices for 2007 prize winners:



1. We will be honoring any 2007 AFFL prize credits that you want to roll over. Of the prize winners that we have spoken to, almost 90% were willing to roll over. If you want to put this debacle behind you, move on, and just play fantasy football again, then roll over and play in the same contest you won in last year. We are honest guys and will make timely payouts. Roll over amounts, up to $10,000, will never expire and will be able to be used over multiple years. We will personally contact prizes winners over $10,000 and speak to them personally about their options.

If you choose this option, you will have to agree to absolve International Fantasy Sports and the AFFL of any 2007 prize liability. If you decline this option, please note that Chicago Fantasy Sports will not be assuming any liability for 2007 prize payouts from International Fantasy Sports.

2. Take your chances in court, although, this option will be long and drawn out, and as we understand it, previous ownership has no funds if the lawsuit succeeds. We have also been told that IFS is filing bankruptcy. With option 1 at least you are guaranteed to get something for what is owed to you.

3. Choose not to play with us on principle. Choose not to get involved in a drawn out lawsuit. Just chalk it up to a loss and do nothing. Again, with option 1, at least you are playing fantasy football.

Please follow this link to accept or decline option 1. If you accept, your credits will be available immediately. www.affl.com/prizes

If, prior to February, you had elected to take credit for you prize winnings, that credit is still active. However, you will still need to accept option 1. If that gives you additional credit, your original discount code will be updated.

We hope that you will choose to play with us. Although we cannot prove ourselves to you in advance, as we had hoped, we will certainly do so in the future.

We hope to have the site up and running at 100% in the next few days. Because we never really considered this option until the last few days, there are some things that will need a little time to happen. We will need to have prize winnings placed in your respective accounts soon. Once they are in your accounts, you can choose to use them this year or in future years.

We have also decided to cancel the platinum league for this year only. Although we are reluctant to do so, there is just not enough time to get enough participants in order to make the platinum league competitive. For our platinum players, please consider our gold contest, it costs only $600 to enter, $750 less than the platinum contest and the grand prize is only $15,000 less.

Also, due to time constraints, drafts on August 16th and 17th will be cancelled.

Emails containing further information will be sent out in the future. We know there may be some of you that are unhappy with this resolution and we want you to know that we are as well. We certainly did not envision this when we started, but as I said earlier, this is the only feasible option we have left.

Wade J. Golab 773-908-0246

Robert J. Smolarczyk 773-842-5954

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MSULions said:

Holy crap. i hadn't even heard of this fiasco since this thread is buried in the looking for leagues forum (?!?!??!?!?) and was just checking in to see what dynasty offers were available...but having spent an hour reading through the whole thing i'm absolutely SHOCKED at how Neil has gotten away with this - or more frankly: how winners LET him get away with this! this latest email is glaring proof that all this new investor BS is precisely that...BULL####! those two options are so blatantly engineered to try and deflect any responsibility or consequences from the thief i can't believe anyone would fall for it. This is just incredible. and moreso that it was buried in this cobwebbed corner of the forums.

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softball said:

I appreciate all the folks that sent the e-mails, and to those that keep beating the drum of lawsuit. Please just stop, clearly you don't understand whats involved.I wanted to "go after" Neil, but after discussing it with THREE different VERY accomplished attorneys I was told basically:"you can't get blood from a stone"We could: Sue and win, Neil could say "I dont have the money"-then agree to pay us over his lifetime. Big deal, More money lost to pay lawyers.We could: Band together; create a class action and win! Then all get exactly what we would get above.We could: Sue and win AND invite regulation from outside sources into the FF business. Sorry, I aont doing that.Bottom line is thi sucked, and Im owed $16K, but I'm taking the credits available to me and giving Wade and his partner a shot.Because that's the only thing that involvess me just playing FF and seeing if this new league is legit.There were a few people I discussed this with that e-mail, it pains me. But I cant see any other way to possibly get some money.The one thing I think is totally lost here is what is the FSTA and how do they help/advocate? Neil and the AFFL were a part of it. That's a whole additional can of worms, I again wont open.

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softball said:

I appreciate all the folks that sent the e-mails, and to those that keep beating the drum of lawsuit. Please just stop, clearly you don't understand whats involved.I wanted to "go after" Neil, but after discussing it with THREE different VERY accomplished attorneys I was told basically:"you can't get blood from a stone"We could: Sue and win, Neil could say "I dont have the money"-then agree to pay us over his lifetime. Big deal, More money lost to pay lawyers.We could: Band together; create a class action and win! Then all get exactly what we would get above.We could: Sue and win AND invite regulation from outside sources into the FF business. Sorry, I aont doing that.Bottom line is thi sucked, and Im owed $16K, but I'm taking the credits available to me and giving Wade and his partner a shot.Because that's the only thing that involvess me just playing FF and seeing if this new league is legit.There were a few people I discussed this with that e-mail, it pains me. But I cant see any other way to possibly get some money.The one thing I think is totally lost here is what is the FSTA and how do they help/advocate? Neil and the AFFL were a part of it. That's a whole additional can of worms, I again wont open.

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softball said:

I appreciate all the folks that sent the e-mails, and to those that keep beating the drum of lawsuit. Please just stop, clearly you don't understand whats involved.I wanted to "go after" Neil, but after discussing it with THREE different VERY accomplished attorneys I was told basically:"you can't get blood from a stone"We could: Sue and win, Neil could say "I dont have the money"-then agree to pay us over his lifetime. Big deal, More money lost to pay lawyers.We could: Band together; create a class action and win! Then all get exactly what we would get above.We could: Sue and win AND invite regulation from outside sources into the FF business. Sorry, I aont doing that.Bottom line is thi sucked, and Im owed $16K, but I'm taking the credits available to me and giving Wade and his partner a shot.Because that's the only thing that involvess me just playing FF and seeing if this new league is legit.There were a few people I discussed this with that e-mail, it pains me. But I cant see any other way to possibly get some money.The one thing I think is totally lost here is what is the FSTA and how do they help/advocate? Neil and the AFFL were a part of it. That's a whole additional can of worms, I again wont open.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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softball said:

I appreciate all the folks that sent the e-mails, and to those that keep beating the drum of lawsuit. Please just stop, clearly you don't understand whats involved.I wanted to "go after" Neil, but after discussing it with THREE different VERY accomplished attorneys I was told basically:"you can't get blood from a stone"We could: Sue and win, Neil could say "I dont have the money"-then agree to pay us over his lifetime. Big deal, More money lost to pay lawyers.We could: Band together; create a class action and win! Then all get exactly what we would get above.We could: Sue and win AND invite regulation from outside sources into the FF business. Sorry, I aont doing that.Bottom line is thi sucked, and Im owed $16K, but I'm taking the credits available to me and giving Wade and his partner a shot.Because that's the only thing that involvess me just playing FF and seeing if this new league is legit.There were a few people I discussed this with that e-mail, it pains me. But I cant see any other way to possibly get some money.The one thing I think is totally lost here is what is the FSTA and how do they help/advocate? Neil and the AFFL were a part of it. That's a whole additional can of worms, I again wont open.

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Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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The Ghost of Common said:

Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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Honestly guy, if you want to be a condescending toolbag do it elsewhere, you don't need to be in this thread so just stay out.It'll take 20 minutes of my time a week to help out the collective fantasy football community and I'm happy to do it. I'm not here to save the day. I actually have a brain and can very easily figure out the avenues to take to ensure Neil is held accountable on a criminal level. I'm going to lob a few calls in and at least get answers. That's it. If you don't like it or have nothing to contribute, don't waste your time posting here.

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The Ghost of Common said:

Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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Honestly guy, if you want to be a condescending toolbag do it elsewhere, you don't need to be in this thread so just stay out.It'll take 20 minutes of my time a week to help out the collective fantasy football community and I'm happy to do it. I'm not here to save the day. I actually have a brain and can very easily figure out the avenues to take to ensure Neil is held accountable on a criminal level. I'm going to lob a few calls in and at least get answers. That's it. If you don't like it or have nothing to contribute, don't waste your time posting here.

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softball said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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Honestly guy, if you want to be a condescending toolbag do it elsewhere, you don't need to be in this thread so just stay out.It'll take 20 minutes of my time a week to help out the collective fantasy football community and I'm happy to do it. I'm not here to save the day. I actually have a brain and can very easily figure out the avenues to take to ensure Neil is held accountable on a criminal level. I'm going to lob a few calls in and at least get answers. That's it. If you don't like it or have nothing to contribute, don't waste your time posting here.

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Here are the legal "wins"1.You win, he says "Im bankcrupt and cannot pay judge"2.You win and he goes to jail. Great, but no one gets paid.3.You win and he says "I'll pay $1 per winner per year for the rest of my life judge"4.You win and the judge says"He has no money, we'll garnish his wages and each winner will get .50 per year for the rest of their lives"5.Class action lawsuit and we win! See above (and now every person in the event is due their money back, which actually means no one "wins" money, just a return of cost)

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softball said:

1.You win, he says "Im bankcrupt and cannot pay judge"2.You win and he goes to jail. Great, but no one gets paid.3.You win and he says "I'll pay $1 per winner per year for the rest of my life judge"4.You win and the judge says"He has no money, we'll garnish his wages and each winner will get .50 per year for the rest of their lives"5.Class action lawsuit and we win! See above (and now every person in the event is due their money back, which actually means no one "wins" money, just a return of cost)Stop me when I get to the good part, this is all wrong. Very wrong, and I'll say again. Im pissed.But other than try to win again, with Wade who seems to really be trying to overcome this. I have no option that makes sense. And Im not waisting time for the sake of being "right".Its a buyer beware market, and this was the ultimate example. I'd still like to know what role the FSTA has, if it's just an association or they do any due diligence on the folks in it. Also would say the positive of this is I started the FFPC because of it and we were the first to place the money in attorney escrow. I believe that will eventually become the standard of any high stakes leagues.I hope I win the Gold event, seriously. I expect them to pay, if they don't. See above, it's the cheapest way to potentially get some money back.ETA: here are the contact numbers: But the bottom line is you would need to go to your local police department to actually file a complaint. They then pass it to the Michigan State Police, they would then investigate. You then have to hire an attorney.Michigan State Police: 517-336-3437Consumer Protection:517-373-1140Criminal Division:517-241-6565

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Balco said:

softball said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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Honestly guy, if you want to be a condescending toolbag do it elsewhere, you don't need to be in this thread so just stay out.It'll take 20 minutes of my time a week to help out the collective fantasy football community and I'm happy to do it. I'm not here to save the day. I actually have a brain and can very easily figure out the avenues to take to ensure Neil is held accountable on a criminal level. I'm going to lob a few calls in and at least get answers. That's it. If you don't like it or have nothing to contribute, don't waste your time posting here.

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Here are the legal "wins"1.You win, he says "Im bankcrupt and cannot pay judge"2.You win and he goes to jail. Great, but no one gets paid.3.You win and he says "I'll pay $1 per winner per year for the rest of my life judge"4.You win and the judge says"He has no money, we'll garnish his wages and each winner will get .50 per year for the rest of their lives"5.Class action lawsuit and we win! See above (and now every person in the event is due their money back, which actually means no one "wins" money, just a return of cost)

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1. I haven't done bankruptcy research for a couple of years, but I believe a civil judgment is not a dischargeable debt under the code. It is pecuniary in nature.2. In a criminal action, the state's attorney can seek restitution for the victims. I see this all the time in larceny 1st cases. Again, not a dischargeable debt. Also, there are no legal fees in criminal cases. Neil can be held accountable to ensure this doesn't happen again. With the amount of money he stole, he is also looking at some pretty good jail time.3. No idea where you are getting that from. Doesn't work that way, and I hope a lawyer didn't tell you that.4. Haven't heard a judge say that. There are a ton of ways to get money, wage executions, bank executions, liens . . . etc.5. I will just add some civil action points. Most attorneys will take this on a contingency basis. You win they get 1/3.Last, I just want to say it makes my blood boil thinking about what Neil did to you, and everyone else who was owed money. I hope you get every cent back, and Neil is held accountable for his deplorable actions.

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softball said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Godzilla said:

The Ghost of Common said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question for the guys begging those to pursue legal action. How much legals fees are you willing to pay to help these guys pursue charges against Neil?

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It costs nothing in legal fees to pursue neil in a criminal action. To make sure he is held accountable criminally. A few phone calls and letters to a few places that have already been posted here is all it takes. That's why its so aggravating to watch. Suing neil for damages and helping ensure he is held accountable on a criminal basis are two very different things.The worst part is how the guy string everyone along here for months, then when things don't work out as he stated they would, he doesn't even pay the respect to those he completely bamboozled and stole from by posting any longer.

I have no stakes in this but I will volunteer my time and make 5 phone calls a week and write one letter a week to the authorities to pursue Neil. Would any people who participated in the AFFL please PM me any info they have regarding the AFFL. Include anything regarding where AFFL is located, any info you have on Neil personally, etc. I will get the ball rolling here and post updates in the thread here.

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Zorro is back.......

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Honestly guy, if you want to be a condescending toolbag do it elsewhere, you don't need to be in this thread so just stay out.It'll take 20 minutes of my time a week to help out the collective fantasy football community and I'm happy to do it. I'm not here to save the day. I actually have a brain and can very easily figure out the avenues to take to ensure Neil is held accountable on a criminal level. I'm going to lob a few calls in and at least get answers. That's it. If you don't like it or have nothing to contribute, don't waste your time posting here.

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Just to be clear. You are condescending, and wrong. It wont take 20 minutes and I never said you couldnt hold him accountable or "win".What I said is the end result is nothing. No money, and that's about all I was in it for. Win some money.

Bass N Brew-not sure owned is still a "cool" term...thanks for the support and being a true tool.

Here are the legal "wins"

1.You win, he says "Im bankcrupt and cannot pay judge"



2.You win and he goes to jail. Great, but no one gets paid.

3.You win and he says "I'll pay $1 per winner per year for the rest of my life judge"

4.You win and the judge says"He has no money, we'll garnish his wages and each winner will get .50 per year for the rest of their lives"

5.Class action lawsuit and we win! See above (and now every person in the event is due their money back, which actually means no one "wins" money, just a return of cost)

Stop me when I get to the good part, this is all wrong. Very wrong, and I'll say again. Im pissed.

But other than try to win again, with Wade who seems to really be trying to overcome this. I have no option that makes sense. And Im not waisting time for the sake of being "right".

Its a buyer beware market, and this was the ultimate example. I'd still like to know what role the FSTA has, if it's just an association or they do any due diligence on the folks in it. Also would say the positive of this is I started the FFPC because of it and we were the first to place the money in attorney escrow. I believe that will eventually become the standard of any high stakes leagues.

I hope I win the Gold event, seriously. I expect them to pay, if they don't. See above, it's the cheapest way to potentially get some money back.

ETA: here are the contact numbers: But the bottom line is you would need to go to your local police department to actually file a complaint. They then pass it to the Michigan State Police, they would then investigate. You then have to hire an attorney.

Michigan State Police: 517-336-3437

Consumer Protection:517-373-1140

Criminal Division:517-241-6565

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BigSteelThrill said:

Edited to accurately portray what I understand the situation to be. They are not reneging. They are delaying. Hoping for the best here for them.J

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Thats just wrong.They are not paying. True.They are not paying in accordance to their own guidelines. True.They still hope to pay in the future by getting someone else to foot the bill. True.Until they can fix it, and currently its broken, to call it a delay is a misrepresentation of the truth. The original title was much more accurate.J, don't become to "PC". People come here for some of the best FF info around, including the status of FF organizations - good or bad.

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aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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millertyme1 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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:shocked:You mean these jokers are running a 2008 contest???!?!?

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Ramblin Wreck said:

millertyme1 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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:shocked:You mean these jokers are running a 2008 contest???!?!?

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That's nothing compared to people that keep sending them money

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aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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update?

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aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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update?

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check did clear, and the new owners seem diligent and concerned. but again, to be fair, it was only $370. The real test will be to see whether the grand prize winners get theirs after this season is over. I did use my $600 winnings as credit to play this year. Being a lawyer myself, i know the time. expense, and aggravation to pursue legal action civilly was a poor choice in comparison to basically wagering the $600 with new owners. So i already have some of it back, and am in good shape to make the championship round in the silver and gold contests. On the other hand, if i was a major winner from last year i dont think i would have been so gracious.In response to the last question, since Neil did business in the state where you are located, im sure you'd be able to sue him where you live, though technically would depend on your own state's view of long arm jurisdiction. I seriously think that a better approach is law enforcement where Neil is located, or the state attorney generals office that deals with consumer fraud. Once i decided to "play" my $600, i basically lost my ability to bring legal action.

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phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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update?

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check did clear, and the new owners seem diligent and concerned. but again, to be fair, it was only $370. The real test will be to see whether the grand prize winners get theirs after this season is over. I did use my $600 winnings as credit to play this year. Being a lawyer myself, i know the time. expense, and aggravation to pursue legal action civilly was a poor choice in comparison to basically wagering the $600 with new owners. So i already have some of it back, and am in good shape to make the championship round in the silver and gold contests. On the other hand, if i was a major winner from last year i dont think i would have been so gracious.In response to the last question, since Neil did business in the state where you are located, im sure you'd be able to sue him where you live, though technically would depend on your own state's view of long arm jurisdiction. I seriously think that a better approach is law enforcement where Neil is located, or the state attorney generals office that deals with consumer fraud. Once i decided to "play" my $600, i basically lost my ability to bring legal action.

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Did you say this company is under new ownership?

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aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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update?

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check did clear, and the new owners seem diligent and concerned. but again, to be fair, it was only $370. The real test will be to see whether the grand prize winners get theirs after this season is over. I did use my $600 winnings as credit to play this year. Being a lawyer myself, i know the time. expense, and aggravation to pursue legal action civilly was a poor choice in comparison to basically wagering the $600 with new owners. So i already have some of it back, and am in good shape to make the championship round in the silver and gold contests. On the other hand, if i was a major winner from last year i dont think i would have been so gracious.In response to the last question, since Neil did business in the state where you are located, im sure you'd be able to sue him where you live, though technically would depend on your own state's view of long arm jurisdiction. I seriously think that a better approach is law enforcement where Neil is located, or the state attorney generals office that deals with consumer fraud. Once i decided to "play" my $600, i basically lost my ability to bring legal action.

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Did you say this company is under new ownership?

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Yes, if you believe what they say in print and over the phone. If they are just an extension of Neil, the old owner, then we have a real "situation"

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perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

phthalatemagic said:

aerolaw said:

perry147 said:

aerolaw said:

I was the OP of this thread....when the title was correct....and decided to play my $600 winnings from last year in this years contest. They are now running a "one and done" type game, where you draft a team for only the one week, you just draft your starting lineup, play against the other 11 teams in the league for the one week. I won the first "one and done" this past weekend ($50 entry, won $370). I thought it would be interesting to see if i got paid, then everyone would surely know where this all stands.Today is Wednesday, i havent gotten any news, email, or other contact as to when i might get a check. Will keep you posted. Anyone considering playing in this weeks "one and done" might want to wait and see what happens.

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Do you ever get the feeling that Neil is laughing at you?

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update...to be fair....i sent them an email as to when we could expect to get paid, they responded that one and done winners get paid at the end of the month.....i wrote back and said that im sure they would understand, then, if i didnt play any more one and dones until i was paid, and that by the way i had posted on the footballguys message board and they might want to see the 2 responses that i had already gotten.....delaying payment was only going to increase the already high level of cynicism. They wrote back and said a check would be mailed this Saturday morning.....we'll see. Obviously i did not enter this weeks one and done

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Considering some of the other info that was swept under the rug in this thread, I don't think that charlatan at AFFL is concerned with you threatening to post stuff at a buddy's forum.

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received check today, we'll see if it clears!

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update?

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check did clear, and the new owners seem diligent and concerned. but again, to be fair, it was only $370. The real test will be to see whether the grand prize winners get theirs after this season is over. I did use my $600 winnings as credit to play this year. Being a lawyer myself, i know the time. expense, and aggravation to pursue legal action civilly was a poor choice in comparison to basically wagering the $600 with new owners. So i already have some of it back, and am in good shape to make the championship round in the silver and gold contests. On the other hand, if i was a major winner from last year i dont think i would have been so gracious.In response to the last question, since Neil did business in the state where you are located, im sure you'd be able to sue him where you live, though technically would depend on your own state's view of long arm jurisdiction. I seriously think that a better approach is law enforcement where Neil is located, or the state attorney generals office that deals with consumer fraud. Once i decided to "play" my $600, i basically lost my ability to bring legal action.

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Did you say this company is under new ownership?

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Yes, if you believe what they say in print and over the phone. If they are just an extension of Neil, the old owner, then we have a real "situation"

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Are they running a mid season contest? And did they ask that you pay for it with your winnings this month?

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Misfit said:

I am no lawyer, but this is a bunch of bull#### right here. It does not seem legal to buy a company, and just assume the assets, but none of the liability. I know that one can purchase assets from companies, but they are operating under the same name, using the same software, website, etc. This would be like a company buying AIG and deciding they are going to keep taking payments on policies, but not paying out claims since "they did not write the policy themselves, so they shouldn't be responsible." There is no way that this Neil guy isn't pulling strings. I'm curious if any money changed hands. If so, Neil would presumably have some $$. I doubt it though, same shady scam with a different face to it.

I agree it isn't worth pursuing in civil court, but there is absolutely criminal acitivity.

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Winston Wolfe said:

I have no horse in this game. It seems strange to me that a company that is "leasing the software" would require "If you choose this option, you will have to agree to absolve International Fantasy Sports and the AFFL of any 2007 prize liability."

If they are not one in the same, why would a new company ever agree to offer this?

I fear the wool has been pulled over a lot of eyes.

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beachbum said:

LATEST EMAIL: Let us begin by saying thank you for the patience that you have shown throughout this ordeal. The unfortunate events that have darkened the name of the AFFL have proved too much to overcome. When we started this venture back in March we envisioned a resurrection of the AFFL name. We wanted to come in, make things right, and then move forward. We knew that to keep the AFFL alive would mean paying out all the 2007 prizes as well as pre-securing 2008 prizes. We wanted to prove to the AFFL customers, and the fantasy community, that we would not make the same mistakes that previous ownership did. We wanted to prove to them that we were guys that could be trusted. Unfortunately, mostly due to timing and the economy, we were unable to raise the substantial amount of money it would require to do so. So now what? There are a lot of people out there that love to play fantasy football and the AFFL provided a great place to do it. In the past few months we have spoken with a lot of customers and have had positive feedback about the structure of the contest. To date, the AFFL has reached almost $60,000 in signups for the upcoming season, all without a resolution to the 2007 problems being announced. People want to play. We love fantasy football just like you guys. We've been playing for a long time and have wanted to start a contest for a while. We've put a lot of time and money into this and do not want to give up. We're out of ideas, and out of ways to cut costs. This is what we have left. We are no longer going to try to fix someone else's mistakes and problems. We also do not want to have to pay for someone else's mistakes and problems. We are upfront and honest guys that want to put a great contest out there for the fantasy football community. Therefore, we’re going to take the only option left for us at this time. We are going to start a new contest. We will use the same AFFL software and website, and change the name of the contest in the future. The contest will be run in the exact same fashion as the AFFL. All previously posted prizes and rules will not change. As 2007 prize winners ourselves, we really wanted to make things right and payout 2007 winners. As we stated earlier, we are sad to say that with only a few weeks left until the season starts that’s going to be impossible. We are offering the following three choices for 2007 prize winners: 1. We will be honoring any 2007 AFFL prize credits that you want to roll over. Of the prize winners that we have spoken to, almost 90% were willing to roll over. If you want to put this debacle behind you, move on, and just play fantasy football again, then roll over and play in the same contest you won in last year. We are honest guys and will make timely payouts. Roll over amounts, up to $10,000, will never expire and will be able to be used over multiple years. We will personally contact prizes winners over $10,000 and speak to them personally about their options. If you choose this option, you will have to agree to absolve International Fantasy Sports and the AFFL of any 2007 prize liability. If you decline this option, please note that Chicago Fantasy Sports will not be assuming any liability for 2007 prize payouts from International Fantasy Sports. 2. Take your chances in court, although, this option will be long and drawn out, and as we understand it, previous ownership has no funds if the lawsuit succeeds. We have also been told that IFS is filing bankruptcy. With option 1 at least you are guaranteed to get something for what is owed to you. 3. Choose not to play with us on principle. Choose not to get involved in a drawn out lawsuit. Just chalk it up to a loss and do nothing. Again, with option 1, at least you are playing fantasy football. Please follow this link to accept or decline option 1. If you accept, your credits will be available immediately. www.affl.com/prizes If, prior to February, you had elected to take credit for you prize winnings, that credit is still active. However, you will still need to accept option 1. If that gives you additional credit, your original discount code will be updated. We hope that you will choose to play with us. Although we cannot prove ourselves to you in advance, as we had hoped, we will certainly do so in the future. We hope to have the site up and running at 100% in the next few days. Because we never really considered this option until the last few days, there are some things that will need a little time to happen. We will need to have prize winnings placed in your respective accounts soon. Once they are in your accounts, you can choose to use them this year or in future years. We have also decided to cancel the platinum league for this year only. Although we are reluctant to do so, there is just not enough time to get enough participants in order to make the platinum league competitive. For our platinum players, please consider our gold contest, it costs only $600 to enter, $750 less than the platinum contest and the grand prize is only $15,000 less. Also, due to time constraints, drafts on August 16th and 17th will be cancelled. Emails containing further information will be sent out in the future. We know there may be some of you that are unhappy with this resolution and we want you to know that we are as well. We certainly did not envision this when we started, but as I said earlier, this is the only feasible option we have left. Wade J. Golab 773-908-0246Robert J. Smolarczyk 773-842-5954

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I am no lawyer, but this is a bunch of bull#### right here. It does not seem legal to buy a company, and just assume the assets, but none of the liability. I know that one can purchase assets from companies, but they are operating under the same name, using the same software, website, etc. This would be like a company buying AIG and deciding they are going to keep taking payments on policies, but not paying out claims since "they did not write the policy themselves, so they shouldn't be responsible." There is no way that this Neil guy isn't pulling strings. I'm curious if any money changed hands. If so, Neil would presumably have some $$. I doubt it though, same shady scam with a different face to it.I agree it isn't worth pursuing in civil court, but there is absolutely criminal acitivity.

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