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The first time I saw it Goodman drove me crazy, as I too thought he overacted. Now I think he couldn't possibly be more perfect.

You've been assimilated. He is.

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So he says "My wife's a pain in the ###. She's always busting my friggin' agates. My daughter's married to a real loser bastard. And I got a rash so bad on my ###,I can't even sit down. But you know me. I can't complain.

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The first time I saw it Goodman drove me crazy, as I too thought he overacted. Now I think he couldn't possibly be more perfect.

You've been assimilated. He is.
A lot of the best art is like that. Lebowski is it's own world. In some cases people might say that as an excuse for bad writing or acting. In this case, it's legit. You probably won't meet a real life Walter, but he is pitch perfect in the world the movie takes place in. The Coens have a lot of these characters. What's the rumpus?

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The amount of win in this scene alone is off the charts:

:thumbup: 1st 30 seconds in the scene brings these two great lines"hey careful man , theres a beverage here""the ### #### plane has crashed into the mountain"

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The first time I saw it Goodman drove me crazy, as I too thought he overacted. Now I think he couldn't possibly be more perfect.

You've been assimilated. He is.
A lot of the best art is like that. Lebowski is it's own world. In some cases people might say that as an excuse for bad writing or acting. In this case, it's legit. You probably won't meet a real life Walter, but he is pitch perfect in the world the movie takes place in. The Coens have a lot of these characters. What's the rumpus?
I think Goodman was a mixed bag in this one, maybe they just overused him a tad as the rampant screaming did get old. Still, he delivered some classic lines very effectively and memorably and I think over the line, shomer shabbos, and the eulogy were all great scenes. Edited by Gr00vus

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I have watched it at least 30 times and I never tire of it. My favorite comedy of all time.

There are only 2 weak spots in the whole movie, IMO:

- The scene with the 3 guys at the bar where they sort of adlib and it doesn't go anywhere. Goodman's line here is good but the rest of it is flat.

- When Goodman smashes the corvette, we all know it isn't going to be the kid's car. Telegraphed joke

Every other second of the film is perfect.

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The first time I saw it Goodman drove me crazy, as I too thought he overacted. Now I think he couldn't possibly be more perfect.

You've been assimilated. He is.
A lot of the best art is like that. Lebowski is it's own world. In some cases people might say that as an excuse for bad writing or acting. In this case, it's legit. You probably won't meet a real life Walter, but he is pitch perfect in the world the movie takes place in. The Coens have a lot of these characters. What's the rumpus?
I think Goodman was a mixed bag in this one, maybe they just overused him a tad as the rampant screaming did get old. Still, he delivered some classic lines very effectively and memorably and I think over the line, shomer shabbos, and the eulogy were all great scenes.
When I first saw it I thought the Vietnam obsession was more sad than funny but now I'm so used to the character I don't think about it that way anymore.

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The amount of win in this scene alone is off the charts:

:thumbup: 1st 30 seconds in the scene brings these two great lines"hey careful man , theres a beverage here""the ### #### plane has crashed into the mountain"
Those are awesome, but I am partial to: "We've been frantically trying to reach you, Dude." Philip Seymour Hoffman's delivery of that line is so awesome. Nearly as awesome later in the scene, and again delivered perfectly:"That had not occurred to us, Dude."

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great thread. great discussion of one of my favorite flicks of all time. the coen bro's outdid themselves with this one.

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See, it's Saddam Hussein. And he's in charge of the bowling shoes.

I hope that clears it up.

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So he says, "My son can't hold a job, my daughter's married to a foockin' loser, and I got a rash on my aass so bad I can't hardly siddown. But you know me. I can't complain.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

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The amount of win in this scene alone is off the charts:

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1st 30 seconds in the scene brings these two great lines

"hey careful man , theres a beverage here"

"the ### #### plane has crashed into the mountain"

Those are awesome, but I am partial to:

"We've been frantically trying to reach you, Dude."

Philip Seymour Hoffman's delivery of that line is so awesome. Nearly as awesome later in the scene, and again delivered perfectly:

"That had not occurred to us, Dude."

"This is our concern Dude"

Really gets glossed over because of Dude and Walter, but PSH plays his role as well or better than the others. Utterly perfect, even his actions. When he opens the door to let Dude into the den to see the grieving Lebowski, and he gestures him in with a solemn bow. It's ridiculous how perfect he was.

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Really gets glossed over because of Dude and Walter, but PSH plays his role as well or better than the others. Utterly perfect, even his actions. When he opens the door to let Dude into the den to see the grieving Lebowski, and he gestures him in with a solemn bow. It's ridiculous how perfect he was.

Damn straight. His many looks in the back of the limo were so freaking great. His wincing gets worse and worse as The Dude goes more and more off the rails (in their estimation) with his explanation.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

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The first time I saw it Goodman drove me crazy, as I too thought he overacted. Now I think he couldn't possibly be more perfect.

You've been assimilated. He is.
A lot of the best art is like that. Lebowski is it's own world. In some cases people might say that as an excuse for bad writing or acting. In this case, it's legit. You probably won't meet a real life Walter, but he is pitch perfect in the world the movie takes place in. The Coens have a lot of these characters. What's the rumpus?
I think Goodman was a mixed bag in this one, maybe they just overused him a tad as the rampant screaming did get old. Still, he delivered some classic lines very effectively and memorably and I think over the line, shomer shabbos, and the eulogy were all great scenes.
When I first saw it I thought the Vietnam obsession was more sad than funny but now I'm so used to the character I don't think about it that way anymore.

Walter is both funny and sad - he's the anti-Dude and shows what happens when you take life so seriously. For example, take the line "I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos." It's a funny line but the implication is that Nazism is better nihilism because there's a belief in something. Walter wants everything to have meaning - bowling, 'Nam, Jewish holidays, etc. - yet it doesn't make him happy. The Dude on the other hand doesn't worry about any of that and gets enjoyment from the small things in life without worrying about of meaning of it all.

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I grew up with a couple of friends who were basically Dude/Walter clones. The Dude and Walter have always struck me as exaggerated caricatures of these two guys and I've always wondered if that's partially why I've always laughed at every line.

Subsequently, Walter has never once struck me as over-acted because I actually know a guy like that. Right down to taking care of his ex-wife's "Pomeranian".

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

my thoughts exactly.

David, obviously you're not a golfer.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.

The thing is that those 'serious' people turn out to be frauds - Big Lewbowski has no money, Maude is selling random paint slashes as art, Treehorn acts like he's in porn for the art but really just in it for the money, the nihilists who supposedly care about nothing seem to care a lot about money.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.

agreed.

also... going deeper with the people that see the movie as pointless, i think that's the point.

nihilism is a big theme throughout the flick. the dude himself seems to be a nihilist, as he denies the possibility of meaning with most things he partakes in, including life. then there's the big lebowski, a man who's life is dedicated to the pursuit of meaning in power and wealth. he's paralyzed from the waist down... so without reason/knowledge, he isn't able to pursue the things he lives for. the big lebowski is the antithesis of the dude, who lives freely and doesn't need meaning. throughout the film the dude's friends as well as ememies impose their meanings into every situation and the dude takes them on the chin and keeps on abiding.

so for those that cannot find meaning in the film... again... that's the point and the coen brother's are geniuses for it.

ETA: there's so much depth in the film that it's almost impossible to understand it completely. another thing i've noticed is that each character is like the epitome of themselves - walter - the vietnam vet, the dude - the bum lower class stoner, bunny - the gold digger, maude - the feminist, the nihilists, the big lebowski... on and on. everything about them is so exaggerated... it's really interesting to analyze the film. i've seen it so many times yet i never really get tired of it.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.
What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.
agreed. also... going deeper with the people that see the movie as pointless, i think that's the point. nihilism is a big theme throughout the flick. the dude himself seems to be a nihilist, as he denies the possibility of meaning with most things he partakes in, including life. then there's the big lebowski, a man who's life is dedicated to the pursuit of meaning in power and wealth. he's paralyzed from the waist down... so without reason/knowledge, he isn't able to pursue the things he lives for. the big lebowski is the antithesis of the dude, who lives freely and doesn't need meaning. throughout the film the dude's friends as well as ememies impose their meanings into every situation and the dude takes them on the chin and keeps on abiding. so for those that cannot find meaning in the film... again... that's the point and the coen brother's are geniuses for it. ETA: there's so much depth in the film that it's almost impossible to understand it completely. another thing i've noticed is that each character is like the epitome of themselves - walter - the vietnam vet, the dude - the bum lower class stoner, bunny - the gold digger, maude - the feminist, the nihilists, the big lebowski... on and on. everything about them is so exaggerated... it's really interesting to analyze the film. i've seen it so many times yet i never really get tired of it.
Well said. Love this movie but haven't watched it for a few years. Gonna go watch it again now.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.
What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.
agreed. also... going deeper with the people that see the movie as pointless, i think that's the point. nihilism is a big theme throughout the flick. the dude himself seems to be a nihilist, as he denies the possibility of meaning with most things he partakes in, including life. then there's the big lebowski, a man who's life is dedicated to the pursuit of meaning in power and wealth. he's paralyzed from the waist down... so without reason/knowledge, he isn't able to pursue the things he lives for. the big lebowski is the antithesis of the dude, who lives freely and doesn't need meaning. throughout the film the dude's friends as well as ememies impose their meanings into every situation and the dude takes them on the chin and keeps on abiding. so for those that cannot find meaning in the film... again... that's the point and the coen brother's are geniuses for it. ETA: there's so much depth in the film that it's almost impossible to understand it completely. another thing i've noticed is that each character is like the epitome of themselves - walter - the vietnam vet, the dude - the bum lower class stoner, bunny - the gold digger, maude - the feminist, the nihilists, the big lebowski... on and on. everything about them is so exaggerated... it's really interesting to analyze the film. i've seen it so many times yet i never really get tired of it.
What the #### you talking about?

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

The first time I saw it, I had the same reaction.

Now, it's one of my all time favorites.

The key, IMO, is not the plot (as enjoyable as it is), but to enjoy the characters - after a couple of viewings, they become old friends, you can always count on them to have the same idiosyncrasies, problems, blind spots, and redeeming qualities, yet you'll continually catch new nuances in them.

It's really about the characters. Once you love them, then the dialog truly becomes golden.

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After watching Lebowski again, I forgot how similar the story was to Fargo. In both films, people with financial problems set up some sort of kidnapping and amateur criminals all around botch things up. The characters may be completely different, but the premise in each film is similar. Yet I loved Fargo and was ambivalent about Lebowski.

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I have no idea how to explain it J, but Lebowski was an instant classic in my group. Quoting the movie is like a language in itself, and there are lines from the movie that fit a wide range of things that come up in life. Rarely does a day go by that doesn't remind me of something in Lebowski (I can say the same for the Wire, Simpsons, and Seinfeld). Certain lines have become mantras - from the scene where they make the drop: "Nothing is ****** here dude, nothing is ******, you're being very un-dude" - in my group, you can say that to someone who is overreacting to a situation and they laugh and get the message and instantly realize that nothing really is ******. Does that make sense? It's hard to get at with words, why this movie is worshipped - but I'm trying.A lot of the good points have been hit already - the dialogue and the characters being HUGE parts. I also love the essence of the story. A dude is just living his unmolested life and a case of mistaken identity pulls him into this foreign world where nothing makes sense. Now, in the Joseph Campbell hero's quest sense, he SHOULD undergo a transformation - thats what happens in movies - but what's so beautiful about the movie is that he doesn't. "**** it, Dude, Let's go bowling" - in the end, they just do what they always do. For a lot of people, that is a much more accurate depiction of life than a story where people transcend or overcome.

For the record, this was beautiful.

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After watching Lebowski again, I forgot how similar the story was to Fargo. In both films, people with financial problems set up some sort of kidnapping and amateur criminals all around botch things up. The characters may be completely different, but the premise in each film is similar. Yet I loved Fargo and was ambivalent about Lebowski.

Out of curiosity, have you ever had an extended period of your life where you were a complete slacker? Edited by Chaos Commish

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After watching Lebowski again, I forgot how similar the story was to Fargo. In both films, people with financial problems set up some sort of kidnapping and amateur criminals all around botch things up. The characters may be completely different, but the premise in each film is similar. Yet I loved Fargo and was ambivalent about Lebowski.

Interesting. I like fargo. I love lebowski.

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See, it's Saddam Hussein. And he's in charge of the bowling shoes.I hope that clears it up.

What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

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I am the walrus?

Donny shut the F--- when do we play?

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What do you mean "brought it bowling"?

I didn't rent it shoes. I'm not buying it a f**king beer. It's not taking your f**king turn, Dude.

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See, it's Saddam Hussein. And he's in charge of the bowling shoes.I hope that clears it up.

What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

The Port Huron Statement. The original one not the compromised second draft.

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After watching Lebowski again, I forgot how similar the story was to Fargo. In both films, people with financial problems set up some sort of kidnapping and amateur criminals all around botch things up. The characters may be completely different, but the premise in each film is similar. Yet I loved Fargo and was ambivalent about Lebowski.

Interesting. I like fargo. I love lebowski.
Same here. Cool observation though.

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I watched this for the first time last night. I look forward to watching it again soon.

I like the cameo by Asia Carrera in Logjammin'.

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This is my next read. Some in here may find it interesting. Sorry if its messed up, first time posting a link in the new format.

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Coen-Brothers-Popular-Culture/dp/0813134455/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365362119&sr=8-1&keywords=Coen+brothers+philosophy

Nice! thanks for this!!

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Anyone here ever been to a Lebowskifest?

I've thought about it but I think it would bug the hell out of me. Can you imagine what the movie screenings must be like? Probably people reciting the whole thing line by line.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

There are the great characters, one liners, ridiculous stoner-noir story, etc. but I think a big part of it is admiring someone who is just enjoying the ride through life without all the worries. Most of us can't be The Dude but it's a way of life many people find appealing and there's a bit of wisdom in it for everybody. For me at least that's what elevates it above your standard comedy.

What really makes it stand out for me is the contrast in character between the dude and just about everybody else. The guy who chooses to be a slacker vs. intensely serious people like Walter, the big Lebowski, Maude, etc.. A lot of us guys in our 20s-40s struggle with the idea of whether it's better to be a total slacker or a serious person in life.

agreed.

also... going deeper with the people that see the movie as pointless, i think that's the point.

nihilism is a big theme throughout the flick. the dude himself seems to be a nihilist, as he denies the possibility of meaning with most things he partakes in, including life. then there's the big lebowski, a man who's life is dedicated to the pursuit of meaning in power and wealth. he's paralyzed from the waist down... so without reason/knowledge, he isn't able to pursue the things he lives for. the big lebowski is the antithesis of the dude, who lives freely and doesn't need meaning. throughout the film the dude's friends as well as ememies impose their meanings into every situation and the dude takes them on the chin and keeps on abiding.

so for those that cannot find meaning in the film... again... that's the point and the coen brother's are geniuses for it.

ETA: there's so much depth in the film that it's almost impossible to understand it completely. another thing i've noticed is that each character is like the epitome of themselves - walter - the vietnam vet, the dude - the bum lower class stoner, bunny - the gold digger, maude - the feminist, the nihilists, the big lebowski... on and on. everything about them is so exaggerated... it's really interesting to analyze the film. i've seen it so many times yet i never really get tired of it.

Disagree a little on the Dude denying the possibility of meaning. He liked that rug man, cause you know, it really tied the room together.

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With this thread getting resurrected and more praise and adulation, I decided to watch Lebowski again since it had been a few years since my last viewing. Sadly, I still don't get it. Maybe it's too hip for me, I don't know. The bowling alley scenes are amusing and the OVER THE LINE bit is classic (especially to those that have bowled in leagues before). But taken as a whole, I still don't see how some folks gush over this movie as one of the all time greatest comedies ever made.

Alright, it's f**king zero. Are you happy now, you crazy ####?

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First half of Lebowski was hilarious. Then it kind of lost me.

I'm kind of in the same boat. But I find that most comedies--even the great ones--tend to be like that. For some reason, the writers/directors feel a need to tell a story rather than just commit to the comedy. That's why I think Animal House is the greatest comedy of all time.

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