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1 hour ago, Alex P Keaton said:

From the article:

”It's unclear what prompted the attack.

Investigators found that the dog started attacking the child when the adult stepped out of the room.”

Another preventable tragedy.  Awful.  Sad.  

Yeah but Otis is fat (less fat now though!) so we shouldn't care about this. 

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8 hours ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

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I just can’t figure people out. There’s not a chance in hell my wife and I ever leave our 5 year old at someone’s house with a pit bull. Never ever. 
 

So sad, people are such a mess, they can’t stay out of their own damn way. 

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8 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said:

From the article:

”It's unclear what prompted the attack.

Investigators found that the dog started attacking the child when the adult stepped out of the room.”

Another preventable tragedy.  Awful.  Sad.  

To the extent that the suggestion is that the attack could have been prevented if only the adult hadn’t left the room, that just seems logistically impractical to me. If you have a five year old and a family pet (who happens to be a pit bull), you can never leave the room?  Do you bring the dog with you every time you have to go to the bathroom?  Or the kid?  If you need to start the dishwasher in the kitchen, you pull the kid away from his coloring in the family room to bring him with you?  If your cell phone rings and it’s in the bedroom, you go find the dog to take him with you to answer the phone?  And you do this countless times a day. Every day. Without exception. It does seem prudent, though not really practical. 

Also, what’s to say that the dog wouldn’t have attacked the child with the adult in the room? It doesn’t sound like the adult was able to stop the attack once it started. 

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34 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

To the extent that the suggestion is that the attack could have been prevented if only the adult hadn’t left the room, that just seems logistically impractical to me. If you have a five year old and a family pet (who happens to be a pit bull), you can never leave the room?  Do you bring the dog with you every time you have to go to the bathroom?  Or the kid?  If you need to start the dishwasher in the kitchen, you pull the kid away from his coloring in the family room to bring him with you?  If your cell phone rings and it’s in the bedroom, you go find the dog to take him with you to answer the phone?  And you do this countless times a day. Every day. Without exception. It does seem prudent, though not really practical. 

Also, what’s to say that the dog wouldn’t have attacked the child with the adult in the room? It doesn’t sound like the adult was able to stop the attack once it started. 

All this. It was a preventable tragedy for sure, not by the adult hovering over the stupid dog every moment of the day, but by not having the stupid dog in the first place. 

But I guess the life of a five year old is a small price to pay for the sweet, sweet, bad-### companionship that only a pit bull can provide. 

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17 minutes ago, Otis said:

All this. It was a preventable tragedy for sure, not by the adult hovering over the stupid dog every moment of the day, but by not having the stupid dog in the first place. 

But I guess the life of a five year old is a small price to pay for the sweet, sweet, bad-### companionship that only a pit bull can provide. 

Yeah, it’s insane.   We have a family friend with a pit bull.  We don’t go to their house. Some people think we are paranoid, but whatevs.

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1 hour ago, bigbottom said:

To the extent that the suggestion is that the attack could have been prevented if only the adult hadn’t left the room, that just seems logistically impractical to me. If you have a five year old and a family pet (who happens to be a pit bull), you can never leave the room?  Do you bring the dog with you every time you have to go to the bathroom?  Or the kid?  If you need to start the dishwasher in the kitchen, you pull the kid away from his coloring in the family room to bring him with you?  If your cell phone rings and it’s in the bedroom, you go find the dog to take him with you to answer the phone?  And you do this countless times a day. Every day. Without exception. It does seem prudent, though not really practical. 

Also, what’s to say that the dog wouldn’t have attacked the child with the adult in the room? It doesn’t sound like the adult was able to stop the attack once it started. 

You simply don't own a pitbull with a young child if you plan to leave then alone with a dog that strong/powerful. 

Would you leave a child alone in a room with a knife?

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1 minute ago, eoMMan said:

You simply don't own a pitbull with a young child if you plan to leave then alone with a dog that strong/powerful. 

Would you leave a child alone in a room with a knife?

No. And I wouldn’t have a pit bull living in the house with my five year old. Again, if the adult here was not able to stop the attack, why is it that there’s zero risk of a fatal attack if the adult is in the room?  We’ve already heard numerous stories of attacks when adults were present. 

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39 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

No. And I wouldn’t have a pit bull living in the house with my five year old. Again, if the adult here was not able to stop the attack, why is it that there’s zero risk of a fatal attack if the adult is in the room?  We’ve already heard numerous stories of attacks when adults were present. 

I was just answering your question.

Regarding the bolded and if you directing that towards me to answer, I agree that you're not entirely eliminating the risk even if an adult is in the room....but it certainly helps (much like my knife example).  Do what you can to minimize the risk (don't own a pitbull with a young kid) and go from there.

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4 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Yeah, it’s insane.   We have a family friend with a pit bull.  We don’t go to their house. Some people think we are paranoid, but whatevs.

:lmao: 

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5 hours ago, Otis said:

All this. It was a preventable tragedy for sure, not by the adult hovering over the stupid dog every moment of the day, but by not having the stupid dog in the first place. 

But I guess the life of a five year old is a small price to pay for the sweet, sweet, bad-### companionship that only a pit bull can provide. 

You should research how many stupid parents get their kids killed from owning a gun in their home.  

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I had a pit bull sleep in our bed last night. I nudged her because she was taking up too much room, and she farted. Scared her and she jumped off the bed and laid in the corner for a few seconds.

Crises averted :hifive:

Our 2 year old sleeps in our bed a bunch too, and my pit bull one time did have a low growl once when the kid woke her up from a deep sleep by falling on her. I let the dog know this was unacceptable, and haven't heard a peep or anything since

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8 hours ago, bigbottom said:

No. And I wouldn’t have a pit bull living in the house with my five year old. Again, if the adult here was not able to stop the attack, why is it that there’s zero risk of a fatal attack if the adult is in the room?  We’ve already heard numerous stories of attacks when adults were present. 

What was hard for me to believe, is that the man apparently called 911 during the attack.  At least that's what the article implies.  Could he not get the pit bull off?  I mean, I can't imagine not trying harder to thwart the attack and/or thinking that the cops would somehow be there in time to prevent that poor child from being ripped to pieces already.  WTF?

And in video footage of the aftermath there, when they show the dog being taken away, there is a HUGE man following them to the van, who is the only person in civilian clothing.  He is at least 300 pounds, easy.  If he was the guy in the home, can't believe he couldn't stop it and called 911 instead.  He literally could've sat on the dog he was so big.  Jump on it, smother it.....something, anything.  Get a bat, knife, whatever, not a ####### phone to make a call.

It's hard to see everything but he had no visible wounds that would indicate he tried to get in the middle of it and save the child.  I wonder if it was over before he even got back to the room.

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47 minutes ago, modogg said:

I had a pit bull sleep in our bed last night. I nudged her because she was taking up too much room, and she farted. Scared her and she jumped off the bed and laid in the corner for a few seconds.

Crises averted :hifive:

Our 2 year old sleeps in our bed a bunch too, and my pit bull one time did have a low growl once when the kid woke her up from a deep sleep by falling on her. I let the dog know this was unacceptable, and haven't heard a peep or anything since

...glad to hear that your 2 year old hasn't been maimed yet.

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50 minutes ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

Could he not get the pit bull off?  

 

I've been around catch dogs (which is the hereditary problem, btw) for 20 years. I've been to a couple pitbull fights as a teen (run by the then local sheriff, btw). I am not for breed bans, and I understand this "mostly" as a population/idiot owner problem with pitties. They are everywhere in big big numbers -- the dogs and the idiots.

I didn't want to tell this story here, but about 5 months ago, I was walking to the convenience store and heard loud terrified screaming up the street. I started to run and two much younger men closer to the scene came out of a backyard running ahead of me. One had a two by four. The other a large screw driver. A pit who was a friend to all in the neighborhood had latched onto a poodle's throat and was rag dolling it as the owner tried to help her dog. One guy is beating the pit with two by four hammer swings, the other is stabbing it with his screwdriver. The dog does not let go. So knowing a little about handling catch dogs, I tried to use the screw driver as a break stick. He released once and latched back on. So idiot that I am, I drove the screw driver into the pit's upper mouth with all my strength, lifting the dog by the roof of his mouth and broke free without attacking, thank god. 

The poodle died later that day. Her owner had a bad injury to her arm. The pit was not aggressive after releasing, actually seemed quite proud of himself. So yes, it can be incredibly hard to get a catch dog to release if it is doing his terrible thing and the owner is not present.

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2 hours ago, modogg said:

I had a pit bull sleep in our bed last night. I nudged her because she was taking up too much room, and she farted. Scared her and she jumped off the bed and laid in the corner for a few seconds.

Crises averted :hifive:

Our 2 year old sleeps in our bed a bunch too, and my pit bull one time did have a low growl once when the kid woke her up from a deep sleep by falling on her. I let the dog know this was unacceptable, and haven't heard a peep or anything since

SMH 

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14 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

I've been around catch dogs (which is the hereditary problem, btw) for 20 years. I've been to a couple pitbull fights as a teen (run by the then local sheriff, btw). I am not for breed bans, and I understand this "mostly" as a population/idiot owner problem with pitties. They are everywhere in big big numbers -- the dogs and the idiots.

I didn't want to tell this story here, but about 5 months ago, I was walking to the convenience store and heard loud terrified screaming up the street. I started to run and two much younger men closer to the scene came out of a backyard running ahead of me. One had a two by four. The other a large screw driver. A pit who was a friend to all in the neighborhood had latched onto a poodle's throat and was rag dolling it as the owner tried to help her dog. One guy is beating the pit with two by four hammer swings, the other is stabbing it with his screwdriver. The dog does not let go. So knowing a little about handling catch dogs, I tried to use the screw driver as a break stick. He released once and latched back on. So idiot that I am, I drove the screw driver into the pit's upper mouth with all my strength, lifting the dog by the roof of his mouth and broke free without attacking, thank god. 

The poodle died later that day. Her owner had a bad injury to her arm. The pit was not aggressive after releasing, actually seemed quite proud of himself. So yes, it can be incredibly hard to get a catch dog to release if it is doing his terrible thing and the owner is not present.

Good news, I think I spotted your problem. 

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“Hey you guys are worried dummies. I have small kids and a pit bull and ain’t nobody been kilt yet.”

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4 minutes ago, Otis said:

Good news, I think I spotted your problem. 

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A pit who was a friend to all in the neighborhood

100% agree with you here. Fwiw, it wasn't my neighborhood. But neighbors at the scene were talking about what a sweet dog the pit was. The cops who arrived were petting the thing. This has been the most troubling part of the news cycle for several years. Apparently good dogs with apparently good owners seem to have led the headlines. I think we need oppressive regulations for all catch dog owners, myself included, and I won't own another. I agree to outlawing backyard breeding. But the over-population makes enforcement a problem. 

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2 hours ago, Otis said:

SMH 

Yup. funny enough i say that most of the time i am in this thread too when i see all the posts regarding illogical fear.

Reminds me of people scared of Coronavirus and SARS, yet refuse to get a flu shot because the flu is nothing to worry about

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1 hour ago, modogg said:

Yup. funny enough i say that most of the time i am in this thread too when i see all the posts regarding illogical fear.

Reminds me of people scared of Coronavirus and SARS, yet refuse to get a flu shot because the flu is nothing to worry about

Uh, yeah.  That’s exactly what’s happening in here.

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5 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

If only the adults had kept an eye on the d...oh wait. 


“A 25-year-old man has died from dog bites following a weekend pit bull attack that injured four of the dog’s owners and prompted police to kill the dog inside their home in southwest suburban Plainfield.

Devin J. White, of Plainfield, died Monday from severe dog bites to his arms, Plainfield police said in a statement.“

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Do we still blame the owners when the dog eats the owners?  

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"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight.  I need to google and cry on the internet about a dog for the 1000th time" 

 

 

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That's the great thing about spending an exorbitant amount of time on the internet though.  Can't get bit by a dog if you never do anything except sit in an office chair.

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On 2/11/2020 at 1:17 PM, modogg said:

Our 2 year old sleeps in our bed a bunch too, and my pit bull one time did have a low growl once when the kid woke her up from a deep sleep by falling on her. I let the dog know this was unacceptable, and haven't heard a peep or anything since

Congrats?

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How does one die from dog bites on an arm?  

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On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2020 at 6:35 AM, Otis said:

:no: 

I just can’t figure people out. There’s not a chance in hell my wife and I ever leave our 5 year old at someone’s house with a pit bull. Never ever. 
 

So sad, people are such a mess, they can’t stay out of their own damn way. 

No young child should be left unattended with any type of dog.   Even though they may be friendly they are animals. Problem today is many pet owners treat their dogs like humans and believe the dog has the same though process and that could not be farther from the truth.

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Are there any other breeds that kill people on a monthly basis?  Serious question.

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On 2/11/2020 at 9:50 PM, tjnc09 said:

"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight.  I need to google and cry on the internet about a dog for the 1000th time" 

 

 

“Sorry family, I can’t hang out with you again tonight.  I have to google and cry on the internet about people picking on killer dogs for the 1000th time.”

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On 2/11/2020 at 3:17 PM, modogg said:

I had a pit bull sleep in our bed last night. I nudged her because she was taking up too much room, and she farted. Scared her and she jumped off the bed and laid in the corner for a few seconds.

Crises averted :hifive:

Our 2 year old sleeps in our bed a bunch too, and my pit bull one time did have a low growl once when the kid woke her up from a deep sleep by falling on her. I let the dog know this was unacceptable, and haven't heard a peep or anything since

I'm only responding because I recently learned this from when I was taking my two dogs to training, and it was something I was pretty ignorant of, even having grown up with dogs my entire life, and am making no assumptions about your knowledge/ability of working with dogs.  The trainer emphasized how it's important not to yell/scold the dog for growling, it's their way of communicating that they're unhappy/angry at the situation.  By scolding a dog for growling, instead of treating the underlying issue, you repress the only warning that the dog may be giving that it's about to take matters into its own hands (mouth?), and is what actually leads to these reports that "the dog was so nice, it hasn't growled or barked at anyone before it attacked so and so".  

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4 hours ago, Da Guru said:

No young child should be left unattended with any type of dog.   Even though they may be friendly they are animals. Problem today is many pet owners treat their dogs like humans and believe the dog has the same though process and that could not be farther from the truth.

This is just silly. A 5 year old can be left alone with plenty of dogs. 

ETA: Should add that I mean in the context of leaving a 5 year old alone, like going to the bathroom, or to go get your clothes out of the dryer. Not arguing that you can go to the movies and leave little jonny home with fido. That should go without saying but...

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4 hours ago, PIK95 said:

Are there any other breeds that kill people on a monthly basis?  Serious question.

Rottweilers are second. I believe in 2018 there were 4 rottweiler killings. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Spin said:

I'm only responding because I recently learned this from when I was taking my two dogs to training, and it was something I was pretty ignorant of, even having grown up with dogs my entire life, and am making no assumptions about your knowledge/ability of working with dogs.  The trainer emphasized how it's important not to yell/scold the dog for growling, it's their way of communicating that they're unhappy/angry at the situation.  By scolding a dog for growling, instead of treating the underlying issue, you repress the only warning that the dog may be giving that it's about to take matters into its own hands (mouth?), and is what actually leads to these reports that "the dog was so nice, it hasn't growled or barked at anyone before it attacked so and so".  

hmm, interesting and thanks. it was one of those 2 or 3 AM things when they woke me out of my sleep so it was reflexive and non-thought out. good to know this though. luckily my dog is 11 years old and we trained her well when we got her as a pup. but good to hear that from a trainer

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5 minutes ago, modogg said:

hmm, interesting and thanks. it was one of those 2 or 3 AM things when they woke me out of my sleep so it was reflexive and non-thought out. good to know this though. luckily my dog is 11 years old and we trained her well when we got her as a pup. but good to hear that from a trainer

Yup, I was in the same boat.  Growing up my parents had always yelled at the dogs for growling, especially if someone new came over the dogs didn't know, etc.  And so I had just assumed that to be the case until recently with this particular trainer.  Anyhow, found it interesting and figured I'd share.

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On 2/11/2020 at 10:50 PM, tjnc09 said:

"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight.  I need to google and cry on the internet about a dog for the 1000th time" 

 

 

"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight or any other night because I am dead from a pit bull attack."

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https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/18/beverly-hills-cop-actress-heather-elizabeth-parkhurst-pit-bull-dog-bite-injuries/

My favorite part of the article, "Mark tells us Heather will now require nearly a year of therapy to recover. As for the dogs, Mark says they have every intention to keep Buddha and Baby because they're huge pit bull advocates."

 

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2 minutes ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/18/beverly-hills-cop-actress-heather-elizabeth-parkhurst-pit-bull-dog-bite-injuries/

My favorite part of the article, "Mark tells us Heather will now require nearly a year of therapy to recover. As for the dogs, Mark says they have every intention to keep Buddha and Baby because they're huge pit bull advocates."

 

the bolded speaks to the lowest common denominator of rank stupidity.  

####. them. 

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On 2/14/2020 at 10:57 AM, Thorn said:

"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight or any other night because I am dead from a pit bull attack."

that will most likely be a heart attack from how I see these people live their life

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Just now, tjnc09 said:
On 2/14/2020 at 12:57 PM, Thorn said:

"sorry family, I can't hang out with you again tonight or any other night because I am dead from a pit bull attack."

that will most likely be a heart attack from how I see the same people live their life

Edited just now by tjnc09

the only thing i can conclude is that anyone who would take this topic so seriously and get so personal so fast is in fact a pitbull so i salute you for learning to type and being articulate even if you are really mean most of the time take that to the bank dogmigo 

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On 2/13/2020 at 2:09 PM, parasaurolophus said:

This is just silly. A 5 year old can be left alone with plenty of dogs. 

ETA: Should add that I mean in the context of leaving a 5 year old alone, like going to the bathroom, or to go get your clothes out of the dryer. Not arguing that you can go to the movies and leave little jonny home with fido. That should go without saying but...

Actually not entirely true. Young iggy had to have plastic surgery to repair the extensive damage to my face done by a rat dog chihuahua. Pretty wise to have kids supervised around any animal more often than not. Family was in the house but not in the room when it happened. Pretty sure no one really knows what happened. 

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1 hour ago, The Iguana said:

Actually not entirely true. Young iggy had to have plastic surgery to repair the extensive damage to my face done by a rat dog chihuahua. Pretty wise to have kids supervised around any animal more often than not. Family was in the house but not in the room when it happened. Pretty sure no one really knows what happened. 

This isn't really a counter argument. You admittedly don't know what happened so the idea that an adult in the room would have necessarily altered what happened is not conclusive. Adults arent ninja masters that would leap through the air matrix style and intercept a dog right before bite. Quick grab and shake could have been all it took. 

All dogs pose a non zero risk for damage. Nobody argues that they don't. Just like a lamp could tip because a kid threw a pillow at his brother,scares the dog and it took off running on the hardwood and slips right into the lamp causing glass to break all over the floor and somebody cuts their foot.  

Somebody in wisconsin died just because their dog licked them.

People get dogs because they provide other benefits that far outweigh these risks. At some point though that risk calculus gets tilted. Peeing your pants instead of going to the bathroom and leaving a 5 year old child alone with a small dog seems unreasonable as a lifestyle choice. As does always hovering over them. That's not healthy for you or them. Locking up the dog all the time isn't a great plan for that either. 

Perhaps you feel the risk is too high no matter what, and I could definitely understand you feeling that way, but then that would be an argument against dogs altogether as I highly doubt anybody argues that owning a dog and always making sure that you are within arms length of your children and the dog at all times is better than just not having one. It is simply not healthy or even realistic. 

But your incident does illustrate one stark difference in results. If that rat/chih was a pit bull and it had the same outburst, your son would likely be dead, adult in the room or not.

 

 

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just come on and tell us how he hurt you we can try to help brohan take that to the bank 

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On 2/13/2020 at 12:47 PM, Otis said:

Neat animals. 

yea, they are really special.  [slump]

agree with everything you post regarding this killer.   97 pages of  preventable deaths & maiming.  a grizzly bear is docile also most of the time.   how anyone can defend owning a pit bull is beyond me.

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19 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

But your incident does illustrate one stark difference in results. If that rat/chih was a pit bull and it had the same outburst, your son would likely be dead, adult in the room or not.

It was me, not my son and it happened many, many years ago. All I have info on is the selective memories of those that where there and some photos/home movies of me with a bunch of stitches in my face. 

And as I've said in here before, the discussion in here is kind of pointless a lot of times. A lot of talking past each other and making strawman like arguments. I'm neither an advocate for nor a condemner of the breed(s) in question. I have zero desire to own one, am glad none of my neighbors own own, and particularly glad none were around my kids growing up. 

As I've also said, much like a number of other highly controversial topics (gun control/rights for example), there is plenty of room for real, productive conversations around it. But that rarely happens. You get the extremes of the spectrum 'debating' the issue and nothing good comes from the 'discussion'. 

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