The effect of 1.5 PPR for TEs (1 Viewer)

I've never been in a league with 1.5 for TEs.

Just wondering how much earlier they go off the board than in a standard 1 PPR for TEs.

I have not either... I expect the top two get taken second half of round 2; next 3-4 will go rd 3. The top scoring TEs FPs are about the same as a WR4-5 and RB6.

In a 16 team IDP league with 53 man rosters and .5/1/1/5ppr for rb/wr/te, here is a draft with some FBG staffers and where TE's went, earlier than you think if people understand the true value of 1.5ppr.

Here are just the TE's that were drafted:

http://football12.myfantasyleague.com/2010...;FRANCHISE=0000

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Some people like to let others take the top TEs and scoop up the "value" guys (Carlson, Z.Miller, F.Davis) a few rounds later. Still, every TE goes a little bit earlier in this format.

Master Gators said:

I have not either... I expect the top two get taken second half of round 2; next 3-4 will go rd 3. The top scoring TEs FPs are about the same as a WR4-5 and RB6.

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In FFPC/FPC scoring... the top TE's FP's are equal to WR1's and RB1/2's. From Last year:1. Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 380.35

2. Johnson, Chris TEN RB 368.50

3. Brees, Drew NOS QB 360.

4. Manning, Peyton IND QB 335.95

5. Schaub, Matt HOU QB 324.95

6. Brady, Tom NEP QB 323.00

7. Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 321.00

8. Rivers, Philip SDC QB 317.75

9. Rice, Ray BAL RB 317.

10. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 315.70

11. Romo, Tony DAL QB 313.40

12. Clark, Dallas IND TE 306.00

13. Favre, Brett MIN QB 304.

14. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 303.90

15. Johnson, Andre HOU WR 301.70

16. Manning, Eli NYG QB 295.50

17. Welker, Wes NEP WR 283.20

18. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 278.30

19. Warner, Kurt ARI QB 277.10

20. Marshall, Brandon DEN WR 276.90

21. Moss, Randy NEP WR 276.90

22. McNabb, Donovan PHI QB 274.80

23. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 273.50

24. Gates, Antonio SDC TE 273.50

25. Davis, Vernon SFO TE 267.60

Raskell5 said:

Master Gators said:

I have not either... I expect the top two get taken second half of round 2; next 3-4 will go rd 3. The top scoring TEs FPs are about the same as a WR4-5 and RB6.

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In FFPC/FPC scoring... the top TE's FP's are equal to WR1's and RB1/2's. From Last year:1. Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 380.35

2. Johnson, Chris TEN RB 368.50

3. Brees, Drew NOS QB 360.

4. Manning, Peyton IND QB 335.95

5. Schaub, Matt HOU QB 324.95

6. Brady, Tom NEP QB 323.00

7. Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 321.00

8. Rivers, Philip SDC QB 317.75

9. Rice, Ray BAL RB 317.

10. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 315.70

11. Romo, Tony DAL QB 313.40

12. Clark, Dallas IND TE 306.00

13. Favre, Brett MIN QB 304.

14. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 303.90

15. Johnson, Andre HOU WR 301.70

16. Manning, Eli NYG QB 295.50

17. Welker, Wes NEP WR 283.20

18. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 278.30

19. Warner, Kurt ARI QB 277.10

20. Marshall, Brandon DEN WR 276.90

21. Moss, Randy NEP WR 276.90

22. McNabb, Donovan PHI QB 274.80

23. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 273.50

24. Gates, Antonio SDC TE 273.50

25. Davis, Vernon SFO TE 267.60

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I don't think I like the fact that Dallas Clark outscored every WR last year.

In 2008 TEs were #9, 44, 45, 61, 62, 65 overall scorers. Gonzo was #9

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In 2009 TEs were #12, 24, 25, 41, 42, 45, 50, 56 overall scorers.

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Master Gators said:

In 2008 TEs were #9, 44, 45, 61, 62, 65 overall scorers. Gonzo was #9

LINK

In 2009 TEs were #12, 24, 25, 41, 42, 45, 50, 56 overall scorers.

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That difference in TE scoring from one year to the next is ASTOUNDING! Does the trend continue in 2010, revert back to 2008 stats or settle somewhere down the middle?

Alex - FFPC said:

Master Gators said:

In 2008 TEs were #9, 44, 45, 61, 62, 65 overall scorers. Gonzo was #9

LINK

In 2009 TEs were #12, 24, 25, 41, 42, 45, 50, 56 overall scorers.

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That difference in TE scoring from one year to the next is ASTOUNDING! Does the trend continue in 2010, revert back to 2008 stats or settle somewhere down the middle?

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wow that is quite a big difference.So do you feel as if the top 6 or so TE's will most likely be drafted by the end of the 4th round?

Today 1pm draft was held; round #1 two TE taken and round #3 four more were taken. The top 6 TE were taken by pick #30. Not sure if this is normal for a 1.5 PPR for TE but I imagine will be more the norm then the exception.

Thanks for the info man! I really appreciate it.

I went 11th and took Gates, Clark went before me in round 1. I had to reach some for a top TE as 5 RB, 1 QB, 1 TE and 3 WR were already gone so not much value in those positions so went with Gates. Those toward front of round 3 got better TE value but you never know as each draft is different.

Care you post your roster?

Headbanger said:

I went 11th and took Gates, Clark went before me in round 1. I had to reach some for a top TE as 5 RB, 1 QB, 1 TE and 3 WR were already gone so not much value in those positions so went with Gates. Those toward front of round 3 got better TE value but you never know as each draft is different.

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yea thank you for the info

Welcome for the info guys, I would want to know also.

Headbanger said:

Welcome for the info guys, I would want to know also.

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must have been top tier rb/wr talent still available in the 3 and 4th rounds.

Here is mine drafted out of the 12th

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE TOT PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Tom Brady QB NWE vs CIN 5 0.00 107 - Starter

Michael Turner RB ATL @ PIT 8 0.00 311 - Starter

Ronnie Brown RB MIA @ BUF 5 0.00 337 - Starter

Randy Moss WR NWE vs CIN 5 0.00 62 - Starter

Braylon Edwards WR NYJ vs BAL 7 0.00 338 - Starter

Lance Moore WR NOR vs MIN 10 0.00 482 - Starter

Austin Collie WR IND @ HOU 7 0.00 768 - Starter

Todd Heap TE BAL @ NYJ 8 0.00 123 - Starter

Shayne Graham K BAL @ NYJ 8 0.00 111 - Starter

San Diego Chargers Def/ST SDG @ KAN 10 0.00 25 - Starter

Eli Manning QB NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 276 - Reserve

Felix Jones RB DAL @ WAS 4 0.00 613 - Reserve

Knowshon Moreno RB DEN @ JAC 9 0.00 735 - Reserve

Toby Gerhart RB MIN @ NOR 4 0.00 879 - Reserve

Roy Williams WR DAL @ WAS 4 0.00 280 - Reserve

Sammie Stroughter WR TAM vs CLE 4 0.00 808 - Reserve

Mike Williams WR TAM vs CLE 4 0.00 896 - Reserve

Kevin Boss TE NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 543 - Reserve

Zach Miller TE JAC vs DEN 9 0.00 789 - Reserve

New York Giants Def/ST NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 20 - Reserve

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Here is mine drafted out of the 12th PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE TOT PTS RANK INJ STATUSTom Brady QB NWE vs CIN 5 0.00 107 - StarterMichael Turner RB ATL @ PIT 8 0.00 311 - StarterRonnie Brown RB MIA @ BUF 5 0.00 337 - StarterRandy Moss WR NWE vs CIN 5 0.00 62 - StarterBraylon Edwards WR NYJ vs BAL 7 0.00 338 - StarterLance Moore WR NOR vs MIN 10 0.00 482 - StarterAustin Collie WR IND @ HOU 7 0.00 768 - StarterTodd Heap TE BAL @ NYJ 8 0.00 123 - StarterShayne Graham K BAL @ NYJ 8 0.00 111 - StarterSan Diego Chargers Def/ST SDG @ KAN 10 0.00 25 - StarterEli Manning QB NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 276 - ReserveFelix Jones RB DAL @ WAS 4 0.00 613 - ReserveKnowshon Moreno RB DEN @ JAC 9 0.00 735 - ReserveToby Gerhart RB MIN @ NOR 4 0.00 879 - ReserveRoy Williams WR DAL @ WAS 4 0.00 280 - ReserveSammie Stroughter WR TAM vs CLE 4 0.00 808 - ReserveMike Williams WR TAM vs CLE 4 0.00 896 - ReserveKevin Boss TE NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 543 - ReserveZach Miller TE JAC vs DEN 9 0.00 789 - ReserveNew York Giants Def/ST NYG vs CAR 8 0.00 20 - Reserve

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curious on which rounds you drafted some of those players in i mean i think i can pretty much figure it out tho?

So Rusty, YOU'RE the one that went 12th going SUPER fast!!! That threw me off the entire draft. I walked away to piss and when I returned I missed my pick. Glad the commish was on top of things and let me get the player I wanted.

Headbanger said:

So Rusty, YOU'RE the one that went 12th going SUPER fast!!! That threw me off the entire draft. I walked away to piss and when I returned I missed my pick. Glad the commish was on top of things and let me get the player I wanted.

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Yea that was me sorry about that just so long between picks usually had picks already to go.Guess I should have slowed down a little not real excited about my team.Over at the FFPC boards I have already gotten some flack for my team.Oh well never claimed to be an expert anyway gives me an excuse to draft another team.

I dont get the TE hype. Plugging the 1.5 ppr into DD shows Gates as the first TE at around the 50th ranked player.

butcher boy said:

I dont get the TE hype. Plugging the 1.5 ppr into DD shows Gates as the first TE at around the 50th ranked player.

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well you are probably not using the correct baselines - BUT just go to FBG PC - Draft Dissected (free articles - link below) - you NEED to look at the scoring on this system from last yearhttp://footballguys.com/10pvh_fpcdraft.php

Captain Hook said:

butcher boy said:

I dont get the TE hype. Plugging the 1.5 ppr into DD shows Gates as the first TE at around the 50th ranked player.

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well you are probably not using the correct baselines - BUT just go to FBG PC - Draft Dissected (free articles - link below) - you NEED to look at the scoring on this system from last yearhttp://footballguys.com/10pvh_fpcdraft.php

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It depends on how you project the stats for the top TEs. If you use last year's stats, Dallas Clark shows up at #15 for me. If using Dodds' projections (which I feel is more likely at least for someone like Clark), then he is more like #40.

a te who goes for 6-80 = 17 pts, a wr needs 6-110 to match.

i think one benefit of drafting tes early is that you don't require dominant games from a te to get consistently good numbers.

most tes have low ceilings but their baselines seem factored into projections and their downside seems easier to predict...at least to my eye since i'm not doing historical research. thus i think drafting tes early is a conservative approach and probably the best way to go if you feel fairly confident that you can correctly grab sleepers at either wr or rb.

heropretend said:

a te who goes for 6-80 = 17 pts, a wr needs 6-110 to match.i think one benefit of drafting tes early is that you don't require dominant games from a te to get consistently good numbers. most tes have low ceilings but their baselines seem factored into projections and their downside seems easier to predict...at least to my eye since i'm not doing historical research. thus i think drafting tes early is a conservative approach and probably the best way to go if you feel fairly confident that you can correctly grab sleepers at either wr or rb.

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having a TE in your flex, one that pans out would be so huge,I think this league with the dual flex spots could very easily be won and lost at the two flex positions.Any opinions?

i like that thinking. on the other hand it's hard enough to grab a solid te. i've noticed winslow carlson keller schiancoe h miller tier at round 6-7. i love that a 60-70 catch surprise te has relatively the same value as a 90 catch wr. then again, how often do tes come out of nowhere to post those numbers?

i don't really know what the correct answer is, but jeff pasquino's article about the perception of tightend value is a really good read. basically the entire league sees the 1.5 and implicitly agrees to draft tightends v. early. really helped me in my last draft.

Doing one now, Finley went 1.10!! Gates was next TE at 2.9

CA_7 said:

Doing one now, Finley went 1.10!! Gates was next TE at 2.9

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That is just silly

texasheat said:

CA_7 said:

Doing one now, Finley went 1.10!! Gates was next TE at 2.9

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That is just silly

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That's 9 picks too late!

Bumping this.

In a league that has 1.5 PPR for TE's, where you have to start one and can start one in the flex, how early are the elite guys going in start-ups?

'ConnSKINS26 said:

Bumping this.In a league that has 1.5 PPR for TE's, where you have to start one and can start one in the flex, how early are the elite guys going in start-ups?

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LOOK back through this thread - there are several links to drafts for this format from real drafts last season that should answer your question

We just ended a draft with the 1.5 TE PPR. Here's the TE's drafted thru 10 rds.

1.15 15. Brian Smith Davis, Vernon SFO TE Mon May 9 4:52:30 p.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.01 17. Rob Gabbard Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Mon May 9 7:48:11 p.m. ET 2011 I know he's not going to be here when it comes back to me. And I'm not going to overpay to get him later on.

2.05 21. Doug "DT" Bell Witten, Jason DAL TE Tue May 10 3:19:54 a.m. ET 2011

2.06 22. Carlos Rodrigues Gates, Antonio SDC TE Tue May 10 9:04:26 a.m. ET 2011 again i get my #1 guy at his position....why don't I feel better about this?

2.14 30. Anthony Borbely Graham, Jimmy NOS TE Tue May 10 8:25:23 p.m. ET 2011

2.16 32. Nick Chadick Clark, Dallas IND TE Tue May 10 10:14:02 p.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.09 41. Jake Parrish Miller, Zach OAK TE Wed May 11 1:43:57 p.m. ET 2011 Will the real Zach Miller please stand up?

4.02 50. Tait Mracek Daniels, Owen HOU TE Wed May 11 9:59:52 p.m. ET 2011 Moving right along...

4.08 56. Jake Parrish Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE Thu May 12 2:22:18 p.m. ET 2011 TE's get 1.5 per reception. Lets start a run, shall we?

4.14 62. Carlos Rodrigues Cooley, Chris WAS TE Thu May 12 4:11:53 p.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

5.02 66. Derek Tonn Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE Thu May 12 4:34:06 p.m. ET 2011 Was PRAYING Nick wouldn't go TE2...

5.03 67. Carlos Rodrigues Hernandez, Aaron NEP TE Thu May 12 5:37:43 p.m. ET 2011

5.05 69. Dave Mahovlich Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE Thu May 12 6:27:18 p.m. ET 2011

5.08 72. Doug "DT" Bell Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE Fri May 13 12:28:39 a.m. ET 2011

5.10 74. Jeff Tistan Keller, Dustin NYJ TE Fri May 13 6:54:53 a.m. ET 2011

5.12 76. Mizzie Carden Winslow, Kellen TBB TE Fri May 13 6:54:54 a.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

6.08 88. Tait Mracek Cook, Jared TEN TE Fri May 13 5:46:55 p.m. ET 2011 I better grab him before TE whore grabs him.

8.13 125. AJ Moura Kendricks, Lance STL TE ® Sun May 15 4:17:21 a.m. ET 2011

8.16 128. Nick Chadick Olsen, Greg CHI TE Sun May 15 12:31:32 p.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

9.05 133. Dave Mahovlich Moeaki, Tony KCC TE Sun May 15 1:29:50 p.m. ET 2011 Shocked he is still here truthfully

9.09 137. Nathan Stuckey Miller, Heath PIT TE Sun May 15 7:14:21 p.m. ET 2011

9.13 141. Danny Carter Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE ® Sun May 15 8:37:33 p.m. ET 2011

9.14 142. Derek Tonn Celek, Brent PHI TE Sun May 15 8:43:05 p.m. ET 2011 Thought about him a couple rounds ago. Can't wait any longer...

10.04 148. Jeff Tistan Tamme, Jacob IND TE Mon May 16 6:53:13 a.m. ET 2011

10.13 157. Danny Carter Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE Mon May 16 4:11:36 p.m. ET 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

Just drafted my first start up dynasty with the graded PPR (TE gets 1.5/ppr).

I could not believe that a TE was not drafted by the middle of the second round so I traded up to nab the 1st TE Finley at 2.11.

Then traded up again in the 6th with Miller was still available and can flex a TE.

I don't think this draft is typical, but it is a reference point none the less (separate rookie draft starts in round 27):

2.11 23. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Sun Jun 5 10:19:31 a.m. PT 2011 1.5 PPR for TE

3.01 25. Witten, Jason DAL TE Sun Jun 5 12:04:08 p.m. PT 2011

3.09 33. Davis, Vernon SFO TE Sun Jun 5 2:07:39 p.m. PT 2011

3.11 35. Gates, Antonio SDC TE Sun Jun 5 8:56:30 p.m. PT 2011

4.01 37. Clark, Dallas IND TE Mon Jun 6 5:39:56 a.m. PT 2011

4.09 45. Graham, Jimmy NOS TE Mon Jun 6 6:26:16 p.m. PT 2011

6.03 63. Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE Tue Jun 7 10:20:27 a.m. PT 2011 Roar

6.10 70. Miller, Zach OAK TE Tue Jun 7 7:03:01 p.m. PT 2011

7.09 81. Cooley, Chris WAS TE Wed Jun 8 5:29:22 a.m. PT 2011

8.06 90. Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE Wed Jun 8 11:05:16 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

8.07 91. Daniels, Owen HOU TE Wed Jun 8 11:22:22 a.m. PT 2011 Top rated te on everyone's board. Going to be the #1 te this year. Watch out.

8.12 96. Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE Wed Jun 8 3:59:36 p.m. PT 2011

9.05 101.Moeaki, Tony KCC TE Wed Jun 8 7:29:53 p.m. PT 2011

9.08 104.Winslow, Kellen TBB TE Wed Jun 8 7:44:54 p.m. PT 2011

10.04 112 Hernandez, Aaron NEP TE Thu Jun 9 4:46:54 p.m. PT 2011

10.07 115 Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE Thu Jun 9 4:46:55 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

10.11 119 Cook, Jared TEN TE Thu Jun 9 5:47:43 p.m. PT 2011

11.03 123 Keller, Dustin NYJ TE Fri Jun 10 5:10:19 a.m. PT 2011

11.05 125 Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE Fri Jun 10 11:42:41 a.m. PT 2011

12.03 135 Olsen, Greg CHI TE Fri Jun 10 8:12:14 p.m. PT 2011

12.11 143 Watson, Ben CLE TE Sat Jun 11 6:26:58 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

13.04 148 Heap, Todd BAL TE Sat Jun 11 6:51:15 a.m. PT 2011

13.06 150 Celek, Brent PHI TE Sat Jun 11 9:33:36 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

14.02 158 Dickson, Ed BAL TE Sat Jun 11 4:09:11 p.m. PT 2011

15.07 175 Carlson, John SEA TE Sun Jun 12 7:25:31 a.m. PT 2011

15.09 177 Tamme, Jacob IND TE Sun Jun 12 7:59:37 a.m. PT 2011

15.12 180 Boss, Kevin NYG TE Sun Jun 12 1:26:39 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

16.07 187 Davis, Fred WAS TE Mon Jun 13 7:47:49 a.m. PT 2011

17.07 199 Shockey, Jeremy CAR TE Mon Jun 13 7:39:23 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

18.03 207 Miller, Heath PIT TE Mon Jun 13 7:48:59 p.m. PT 2011

19.02 218 Scheffler, Tony DET TE Tue Jun 14 6:06:32 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

19.12 228 Scaife, Bo TEN TE Tue Jun 14 9:26:25 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

20.02 230 Hoomanawanui, Michael STL TE Tue Jun 14 10:08:48 a.m. PT 2011

20.08 236 Shiancoe, Visanthe MIN TE Tue Jun 14 4:09:25 p.m. PT 2011

22.10 262 Bennett, Martellus DAL TE Wed Jun 15 5:25:26 p.m. PT 2011

23.07 271 Fasano, Anthony MIA TE Thu Jun 16 9:28:51 a.m. PT 2011

24.02 278 Pitta, Dennis BAL TE Thu Jun 16 10:23:48 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

24.05 281 Dreessen, Joel HOU TE Fri Jun 17 1:16:44 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

24.11 287 Moore, Evan CLE TE Fri Jun 17 5:55:03 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

25.07 295 Thomas, Dave NOS TE Fri Jun 17 8:59:26 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

26.04 304 Quarless, Andrew GBP TE Fri Jun 17 3:17:22 p.m. PT 2011

26.08 308 Pope, Leonard KCC TE Fri Jun 17 4:17:00 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

28.10 334 Kendricks, Lance STL TE ® Mon Jun 20 11:26:15 a.m. PT 2011

29.02 338 Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE ® Mon Jun 20 10:02:24 p.m. PT 2011

29.12 348 Green, Virgil DEN TE ® Tue Jun 21 5:26:59 p.m. PT 2011

30.02 350 Williams, D.J. GBP TE ® Tue Jun 21 7:20:10 p.m. PT 2011

30.03 351 Cameron, Jordan CLE TE ® Tue Jun 21 7:20:11 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

30.05 353 Stocker, Luke TBB TE ® Wed Jun 22 4:58:56 a.m. PT 2011

30.09 357 Thomas, Julius DEN TE ® Wed Jun 22 8:33:27 a.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

30.11 359 Housler, Robert ARI TE ® Wed Jun 22 12:19:32 p.m. PT 2011 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

The last post may interest dynasty owners but has no relevance to a 12 team redraft league with limited roster spots

AGAIN if you want to know where the Top TE went in drafts last year there are links much earlier in this thread.

Look at the scoring from last year with the 1.5 PPR in place to see where top TE are in relation to top RB/WR

That said the TE position appears to be much deeper this year so I can see waiting on one and then maybe grabbing two or three so that one will emerge as your TE1 and if lucky the other one (or one of two) could be used as a Flex if they really are scoring well.

I still would rather spend my first 3 picks on QBs RBs and WRs.

doing a couple of mock drafts in a league that has 1.5 ppr for TE and with flex you could actually start 3 of them....12 teams head to head mentality...

if you can pull 3 TE's with 70 catch potential it like having 3 Wes Welkers at 105 a piece....yards might not be the same etc....but still....