Invictus~Bronte
Footballguy
I just won Pres and unfortunately not only won but scored Highest VP's and total points.. this was the first year I ever joined a non Commercial site with Guaranteed Payouts like FFPC..will be my last time obviously
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
i'll bet good money that is NOT his real name...Eastwood said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
#### in Ga stealing 500 from someone is a felony. 300 if its a store.Eastwood said:
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Hippling in effect.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I kinda always wanted to do a dynasty. but i think I'd like to play with idiots. judging by this thread maybe i have come to the right place...moderated said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Bet that 3% doesn't seem so bad now huh...JPeso said:Too true! Perhaps they remit 1% of their 3% to the OP!BeTheMatch said:The folks at Leaguesafe love this thread!Boom Switch said:I might be a tad gun shy after this.JPeso said:
Invictus~Bronte
Footballguy
that would be me..I remember we talked about it..So much for what I considered "easy money" I was half right, I kicked ### in that league..figures
I am sure you have never made an error with your finances. Now go play elsewhere, ****.I kinda always wanted to do a dynasty. but i think I'd like to play with idiots. judging by this thread maybe i have come to the right place...moderated said:
I would think it fits the perfect definition of wire fraud since he used the internet to defraud his victims.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
This sounds like the beginning of grandma's boy.Boom Switch said:monkeysee said:
Sebowski
Footballguy
Anyone else read this thread title as a commish and think "yeah, I'm about to "lose" a ton of money in payouts myself."?
It definitely isn't as rewarding to win a league you commish and the money just stays put instead of getting a big check in the mail. Also makes me think there has to be a way to hold all that money for 4 months and somehow make a guaranteed profit from it. Even if it's around 1%.
It definitely isn't as rewarding to win a league you commish and the money just stays put instead of getting a big check in the mail. Also makes me think there has to be a way to hold all that money for 4 months and somehow make a guaranteed profit from it. Even if it's around 1%.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
monkeysee said:Yep I am minus 2 leagues as well. Sadly I am in 2 of Aquil's leagues and have 2 strong teams.Boom Switch said:Looks like ill be in 2 less dynasty leagues next year. LaaameThe only positive is i didnt win either league so i dont have any money coming my way. Still pissed, i liked both teams...
sounds like the dude has a gambling problem. from the links posted he seems to have a decent job (ie ability to actually repay 10k in a reasonable time) and has come clean, and quit leagues etc. Why can't these leagues just add a new player taking his team and go fwd. He seems genuinley remorseful, and if true that he is paying out (the 800 referred to) and continues to do so (+ interest and even some self imposed penalty 5-10%? imo) I see no reason you all have to kill the leagues u worked for.I mean we've :e:stabished he's a real person. He has jobs etc. Ultimately I have to think that he would make this right vs the opposite (tryingto hide and run) I mean he's hear taking his lumps and at least saying the right things now. Before ya'll lynch him, give him a shot to make good. TRUST me the process of forcing him/suing him is such more a pain in the ###. 
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Aquil isn't here. You are referring to a troll that jumped into the thread that stole from his league and is now repaying those he stole from.monkeysee said:Yep I am minus 2 leagues as well. Sadly I am in 2 of Aquil's leagues and have 2 strong teams.Boom Switch said:Looks like ill be in 2 less dynasty leagues next year. Laaame
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Just skimming through this thread, huh?monkeysee said:Yep I am minus 2 leagues as well. Sadly I am in 2 of Aquil's leagues and have 2 strong teams.Boom Switch said:Looks like ill be in 2 less dynasty leagues next year. Laaame
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
cbatm32 said:
Rovers
Footballguy
I actually do pay attention to screen names, and when I saw his I remembered it. It's surprising how often a screen name is actually a reasonable indication of what kind of person one is dealing with, at least in my experience. I saw one once..."kickyerface". Sure enough, it was a kid who more than anything else needed for mommy to spank him. League safe is really becoming the only option. Not a big deal for 12 team leagues with $50 annual dues maybe, but any more than that, I don't care how well you know someone...Knew something wasn't right with this cat...sorry to who ever took my spot in Pres Suite last offseason. I'm starting to become more of a believer in LeagueSafe by the day.The Kremenull screen name should have been a hint I guess
Not all 50, but about 45 of them. It's fine in California. The main factors that are used to define 'fantasy sports' vs. 'sports betting' are:-fixed prize pool-must involved multiple sporting events (ie no Super Bowl only fantasy contests)-must be a game of skill
JPeso
Footballguy
Hated to see you go, RW, but you were right.Knew something wasn't right with this cat...sorry to who ever took my spot in Pres Suite last offseason. I'm starting to become more of a believer in LeagueSafe by the day.The Kremenull screen name should have been a hint I guess
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Are you sure that is the right guy in the photo, would be quite unfortunate if it wasn't?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
If you don't know someone personally, why would you trust them with your cash? That mystifies me.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
--Established presence on FBG--Established leagues with a record of payouts for multiple years--A lot of time and thought in terms of the bylaws and league structure/rules--The probability that someone wouldn't be stupid enough to steal from people who know his name and have personal contact inf
bviously that's not enough. But that's what I looked at when I joined.I'm intrigued by the possibility of Federal Wire Fraud laws being broken here. Will let everyone know what I find when I get more info.
belljr
Footballguy
I can't believe people play Fantasy with people they don't know. Maybe it's me
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I'm forced to!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Word of mouth is usually pretty safe. When I joined PRES ii I didn't know Aquil, nor did I get any references. My mistake. There are several posters here I know that are honest, such as jeter23 (hyperactive), the man who met andy griffith (champagne classic), ravenzfan (misfits and outlaws), and like I said earlier, I've never failed to pay out winnings in the Fantasy Legends I, II, and III. Now I don't commish FLL3 because I want to cut back on the leagues I commish, but Noel who runs it now is very honest. I'm still in that league as an owner.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
He sent everyone an email tellling them that the money is gone. He's not in a coma.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Well at least he's an honest crook I guess. Weird move though, to email everyone you stole money from and let them know that you just robbed 'em.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
A judgment against him, which would mean filing suit and either obtaining a default judgment or prevailing in the litigation if he appears.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You aren't sorry you stole 15K. You're a criminal internet jerk with a big mouth, IMO.cbatm32 said:
Coin Flip
Footballguy
When MCM took our money and ran last year someone emailed these guys about banning them also via IP (which we know can be changed easily regardless) and there was never a reply. I doubt they banned him to protect others from joining said leagues or future leagues because it is just so simple to change IPs and no real way to ban them completely....at least from the way I understand message boards.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Can you or someone else please post the contents of this email? What is his explanation, if any?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks for posting that. Unbelievable.
Coin Flip
Footballguy
MCM never did. And he gave more than one sob story to prolong his endless promises to repay everyone. We all kept believing them too.......until now a year later I think noone believes him anymorewhat a POS. And the Inspector Callahan in me says he'll never send out all the money.
jackdubl
Footballguy
Once again I seem to have found an arena where a highly ethical person with excellent finances and no debt can perform a service for others(and maybe make money?). So how do I start up one of these money leagues? If these bozos and crooks can get them going and fill up their leagues, I figure someone licensed with the American Bar Association, which has ways to deal with these types of things, would have money players lining up out the doors to get in. They must be making some kind of money(aside from the embezzlement, that is).
timschochet
Footballguy
This is an amazing post. The self-justification this guy uses really makes me want to throw up. Hey buddy, you didn't make a mistake. You deliberately chose to steal money from other people. Immaturity or "weakness" is not an excuse for stealing thousands of dollars. Gambling isn't either. You ought to be paying the people you stole from back at THEIR terms, not yours (meaning that your income should be garnished, and they should be paid back with interest, however long that takes.) Also, you should serve some time in jail for your crime, and it should be a lifetime stain on your record.cbatm32 said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
This in a way is an argument for League Safe or escrow. I know a lot of leagues, even those with buddies, where the commissioners take the loot and just let it chill in their own personal checking accounts until it's time to pay. It sounds to me (from reading that email above), that this guy didn't intend to take this loot, but because it was in a personal bank account it became subject to seizure when his accounts were frozen. While we would all like to think our friends aren't in that kind of financial difficulty, be careful you really KNOW that to be the case or insist on a more separate way to segregate the league dues.
I'm not myopic or naive enough to think that fantasy football (or the NFL) would be as popular as it is without the lure of prize money, but I can honestly say that all of my most intense and favorite leagues are ones where prize money is either nil or tertiary to the chance to best my buddies, and test my mettle against top people in the hobby.
I'm not myopic or naive enough to think that fantasy football (or the NFL) would be as popular as it is without the lure of prize money, but I can honestly say that all of my most intense and favorite leagues are ones where prize money is either nil or tertiary to the chance to best my buddies, and test my mettle against top people in the hobby.
gianmarco
Footballguy
You know, on a serious note, this seems like an opportunity for an attorney to carve out a little niche.
I'm not an attorney so I don't know the applicable laws to this, but it would seem that this guy (and others) are clearly breaking SOME laws and it's probably the enforcement, tracking down, communication details, etc that make it difficult to pursue. This isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last.
It would seem that an attorney could have a semi-specialization in these types of things and offer his services to a wide range of owners and do well. If someone advertised in this arena, being pretty much the only one, it wouldn't take long to build a pretty large client list.
Who knows.
I'm not an attorney so I don't know the applicable laws to this, but it would seem that this guy (and others) are clearly breaking SOME laws and it's probably the enforcement, tracking down, communication details, etc that make it difficult to pursue. This isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last.
It would seem that an attorney could have a semi-specialization in these types of things and offer his services to a wide range of owners and do well. If someone advertised in this arena, being pretty much the only one, it wouldn't take long to build a pretty large client list.
Who knows.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Not only that, but instead of posting here, you should be out doing SOMETHING productive to earn whatever of it back you can to pay back the people you owe. Go pick up some cans. Go get a part-time job. Go do ANYTHING that produces earnings and mail out every paycheck you get immediately, without keeping it for yourself, until your debt is paid off. You're trying to show people you're mature by admitting your mistake and as others have pointed out, you instead look like a complete and utter POS. Log out, make whatever money you can in your spare time, and send out 100% of it until it's paid off. THAT would be a sign of maturity. THAT would be a sign of even a shred of ethical behavior. As pointed out, you should be in a jail cell and you should be welcoming the opportunity to earn that money and pay it back without legal consequences.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Perfect. He can pay you guys back and then sue you for slander.
Eastwood
Footballguy
Hmmm, Dr. Octopus is known for being a super criminal. I'm not sure I like this post.Perfect. He can pay you guys back and then sue you for slander.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
doowain
Footballguy
CONSPIRACY THEORY
Kremenull is an applications engineer (i.e. - programmer). What are the chances he created LeagueSafe and pulled this huge scam to drive scared leagues/owners to LeagueSafe's "secure" environment only to rip them off for even MORE?!?!?
ETA: So much for my theory.....I just saw the copied email from this d-bag.
Kremenull is an applications engineer (i.e. - programmer). What are the chances he created LeagueSafe and pulled this huge scam to drive scared leagues/owners to LeagueSafe's "secure" environment only to rip them off for even MORE?!?!?
ETA: So much for my theory.....I just saw the copied email from this d-bag.
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