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I agree and I think Payton is stubborn to make his RB's fit his scheme rather than draft/acquire ready made scheme fit RB's. I think Ingram is miscast in Payton's RB pass heavy RBBC from jumpstreet. As an Ingram dynasty owner, I'm anxious to see where he lands next year because in the right system, his value could well skyrocket. Just anywhere but New Orleans please.
a guy who got 34 targets in his career reminds you of a guy who got 122 targets in a single season?
I get what he is saying, its pretty clear. A first round running back drafted by New Orleans and is NOT a bell cow, for whatever the reason. 2nd time we have seen it since 2006. The other? Reggie Bush. Receiving targets I do not think were part of the similarity implied. His "lack of RUNNING" use/situation reminds me EXACTLY of Reggie Bush.
Fwiw, the Saints did have a 1st round RB bellcow in 2006, Deuce McAllister - 244/1057/10 & 30/198/0.
They kind of had two: Reggie 155/565/6, 88/742/2 & 28/216/1 in punt returns.
This is what I am saying. I believe Ingram is a good RB in a system that spreads the ball around to many RB and there is a good possibility his most productive years may be ahead of him in another organization.
hope you are right. i get it is only pre season but he looks so much better than khiry right now and running hard.
I thought the same. Robinson has looked very average in the preseason games I've seen so far. He mostly gets what's blocked. He still mixes in with Ingram though, who would almost always break one or more arm tackles, bounce off guys, spin, what have you. It's fairly obvious that Ingram is the more talented back (and their respective draft positions would indicate as much). Of course, Payton will still mix in Robinson - that's just his RB philosophy. And Thomas is going to get his, particularly as a receiver.
I agree.
My question RE: Sean Payton is if it's a chicken/egg thing. Have the Saints not run the ball because Payton doesn't want to run the ball, or does he not run the ball because they didn't have a RB good enough to do it? They seemed to run plenty when they had Deuce McAllister. And trading up to use a first round pick on Ingram indicates to me that the Saints wanted to run the ball more effectively.
Can you post your draft? (also what number you drafted)rocketsauce said:
Sure enough, I made some pretty strong offers for him last night and was knocked back by everyone who has responded so far. One was Tre Mason for Ingram straight up with a Stacy owner. Same guy also has Bernard and turned down J Hill for Ingram a couple weeks ago. In a different league I offered Pierce for Ingram and was rejected. In the last league I offered a mid 2014 1st (devy league, so the pool is thinner) for Ingram and was denied. An owner in a fourth league is still sitting on a Pierce for Ingram offer deciding what he wants to do. I've talked to an owner in a fifth league and he has basically indicated that he'd only move Ingram for his 2015 1st, which is likely to be top 5-6. It's only five leagues, but all of the signs point towards him being a guy whose actual price is a lot higher than his generic dynasty rankings would indicate right now. The people who own him seem to be pretty high on him. I would still throw out late 1st/early 2nd round rookie pick type of offers for him, but the window to get him at afterthought prices has already closed from what it seems.
to be fair, mcallister's heydays were under haslett. I had to look this up, mcallister had one 1000 yard season under payton, which was payton's first year, and this coming back from a injury season for him. agree with the draft logic though and i think a lot of people did as well.
Maybe. I think it's more he's overrating how some of us feel about cuffing, too. Personally, I never really saw the huge value in it in most cases.
I was one of these rejections, and have quietly added INgram in several of my leagues over the last 6 months (before camp opened in a couple of them). I'd have to be blown away with an offer to move him at this point. Consensus rankings are behind and I'd put him in the top 20 with room to go up from there.
If he's top 20RB then he's a top 60ish dynasty asset overall. It would seem a lot of that value is coming from people anticipating is departure from NO because he's not going to sniff top 20RB numbers in the situation he's in now. He's a 2 down back in NO.
I think a lot of people disagree with you that he won't sniff top 20 numbers this year. based on the reports coming out right now, I think around 20 would be about what I expect
