footballnerd
Footballguy
Seems like that type of fall is common in the NFL. Is it because the impact was on artificial turf that he got a concussion?
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Jahvid Best Suffers Concussion (1 Viewer)
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Id guess its because its Jahvid Best and his nickname should be Captain Concussion
footballnerd
Footballguy
dude sneezes and gets a concussion
The Doctor
Footballguy
that twitt feed is quite bogus without a solid source
solorca
Footballguy
I asked him to provide a source. Shockingly, he didn't respond.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Yes, also more knee and ankle injuries. Like former MLB player **** Allen said "If a cow can`t eat it..I don`t want to play on it"
FBG has a more accurate status on Best. It's "concussion like symptoms" rather than a straight up concussion. The play which he got knocked down was a hard hit. But Best did get up and walk back to the sideline.
"Detroit Lions RB Jahvid Best's (concussion) status for Week 7 is uncertain after he experienced 'concussion-like symptoms' following the team's Week 6 game against the San Francisco 49ers. He will have to pass the league's concussion protocol before being cleared to practice."
"Detroit Lions RB Jahvid Best's (concussion) status for Week 7 is uncertain after he experienced 'concussion-like symptoms' following the team's Week 6 game against the San Francisco 49ers. He will have to pass the league's concussion protocol before being cleared to practice."
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A lot of people wearing rose colored glasses on this thread (who are most likely Best owners).
The guy had concussion issues in college to the point that many teams stayed away. He had another concussion in training camp. And now this.
Unless you're oblivious to the way the NFL and other sports are handling these injuries now, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone to see Best be out until after their bye week (9) or longer.
KY
The guy had concussion issues in college to the point that many teams stayed away. He had another concussion in training camp. And now this.
Unless you're oblivious to the way the NFL and other sports are handling these injuries now, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone to see Best be out until after their bye week (9) or longer.
KY
boonesfarm4me
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
I don't understand why Best always falls with his face into the ground..... I have seen him do this countless times, it was like he just held the ball like a pillow and flung his face into the turf... I don't understand that he needs to fall differently, imo it didn't look to serious as he was back in the game after it happened because they didn't know it was a concussion. He may miss 1-3 weeks but I don't see IR from that. I could be wrong but hopefully it was a mild one and he is ok. Homer here but Jahvid is a good guy and a great player and I hope he is ok as it didn't look to bad, but it's not good to have 2 concussions in the same year. Hopefully he gets back on the field soon.
I highly doubt it'll keep him out of action long term, but it's the *next* one that could be a doozy. He's had enough concussions at this point that it seems like he's prone to them, and from what I understand the more you get, the easier it is to be concussed. Long term outlook for Best is very hazy right now IMO.
The Doctor
Footballguy
im expecting him to return after the buy. there is no serious reason to risk his health and rush him back in. i just dont see him on the field this week after how slow he was to get up after that fall. but hey thats just me
solorca
Footballguy
He was on the field in the same game after that fall. Granted, they may not have known it was a concussion, but they still saw the way he got up and let him back on the field.Oddly, Schwartz is stating that it was just the gameplan and Best could have played more. I find that a little odd though...but then again, maybe that's just Schwartz's M.O.
To me, that sounds like a CYA statement. "We didn't know he had a concussion or concussion-like symptoms, we played him less because of 'gameplan' reasons. We found out after the game (and we allowed him to continue playing), so we didn't do anything wrong."
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I hear what you are saying, and all NFL teams have a protocol to follow with concussion injuries. But just to be clear:The guy had concussion issues in college to the point that many teams stayed away.
He had one (1) career concussion in college. It was a helluva fall, all over YouTube and one of the nastiest you'll ever see.
He had a second concussion during preseason, and is now having concussion like symptoms. Without question, it is of grave concern. But there is no reason to be vague - he had two concussions in his entire athletic career until Sunday.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Clear case of CYA going on with Schwartz. If you remember back to the first concussion in the preseason, the Lions did not want to call it a concussion at that time. The public has very real injury concerns with Best and the Lions staff are consistently downplaying his concussion.Collie was put on IR after his third concussion in 2010. Best has two after week 6, but I am not sure safety is their top priority.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
With all concussions players must go through a battery of tests. They don't begin tests until symptoms dissipate. Then, there is a sequence:
[*]cleared for physical activity
[*]cleared for practice
[*]cleared for contact
There is no timeline I am aware of; each situation is unique.
[*]cleared for physical activity
[*]cleared for practice
[*]cleared for contact
There is no timeline I am aware of; each situation is unique.
I was aware of his college history but I picked him up last year. I got 2-3 good games and followed by disappointment all year. Not sure if it was idiot Lions management or if Best was made out glass. I understand turf toe is a nagging injury but I didn't understand the Lions forcing him to play with that injury when he was clearly affected by it. I avoided him all year seemed to be a good hunch.
solorca
Footballguy
He is the #6 running back in PPR leagues this year. He may be out for a few weeks, but he's been a pretty solid pick for the people who took a chance on him this year.
Instinctive
Footballguy
So is Mo Morris the pickup here? No goal line option with Calvin, so perhaps Morris does some damage? Somebody has to get rush yards there, right?
glong989
Footballguy
Obviously in non PPR he shouldn't have been valued as high - but PPR he has been great.Would you care to let me know which RBs in the late 3rd mid 4th you didn't avoid that have turned out better? Thx.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Fred Jackson is probably the only answer there *(though he likely went later in most drafts).Best was RB25 in our league, so a lot of folks had that "good hunch". So far he's RB9 in PPR, and I've started him a three times (WK 1 plus last two as bye week filler). No regrets considering I have Rice and Matthews, e.g., I'm done with bye weeks. I've lost some depth short term.'glong989 said:
He's not the Lions solution as a bell cow and they would prefer to lighten his load, but obvs those plans went by the wayside when Mikel Leshoure got hurt.
re: handcuff
Almost surely by committee, no? A lot of Morris and some Harrison, subject to change as I think they'll ride the hot hand. Good luck figuring that out.
shnikies
Footballguy
Bump Pettigrew. No joke, this guy will catch 10 passes a game if Best is out.
ponchsox
Footballguy
After watching the Youtube video of the play when Best sustained the apparent concussion, this was a case of Best not protecting himself by allowing his head to slam against the turf. It may be difficult to prevent that when you are landing on your back but at least try to keep your head up. There are other runners in the league with a similar build and they seem to avoid concussions.'T with T said:
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Many people thought he wasn't going to have a NFL career because of it. Now it looks like he'll have a shortened one.
solorca
Footballguy
Personally, I'm not going to bother with any of the handcuffs. I just don't think they have the value to make it worthwhile.
I think if Harrison gets the start, he can put up good numbers, while Morris will put up solid numbers. If this is a long term injury, someone may have value, but I could see any of the three (Harrison, Morris, and Williams) getting a bigger role.
I think if Harrison gets the start, he can put up good numbers, while Morris will put up solid numbers. If this is a long term injury, someone may have value, but I could see any of the three (Harrison, Morris, and Williams) getting a bigger role.
TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
I think if harrison gets the start he has flex play value. Looked pretty good in the preseason and he's had some past success.
Anyone have any insight into the backups? As others have stated in this thread, I like Harrison (based mainly on previous years' performances) over MoMo as he seems to have the higher ceiling. I believe that Bloom is stating that he believes that it will be MoMo if Best can't go. I haven't seen much on why not Harrison however.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
I was high on Harrison, but he has not even been on the active roster for the last 2 weeks.
Harrison might have a (alleged) higher ceiling if he starts getting a lot of snaps, but I think the obvious pick up is Morris. The Detroit staff likes Morris a lot better than they like Harrison right now, and they've been using Morris whenever Best comes out of the game (also some Keiland Williams). Harrison has been inactive the past 3 games.Give the opportunity to pick up any of the 3 RBs: Morris, Williams, Harrison, I went Morris.I'll expand on this. While Williams or Harrison were not there in 2010, take a look at the games Best did not play in or was limited in for 2010, Morris' stats:Week: Rush Att/Rush Yds/TDs; Rec/Rec Yds/TDsWeek 12: 9/55/2 tds; 5/20Week 15*: 15/109/1 td; 3/10Week 16*: 12/22/1 td; 2/13*Best received 6 carries in each of these games, and 1 catch total (Week 16).
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habsfan
Footballguy
At the risk of sounding like Capt Obvious, the fortunes of the team while Best is out will influence this. If they remain successful (in the win column) with Morris, there won't be much incentive to change the distribution of labour.
Schwartz comments on RBs today(Detroit Free Press)
No outright answers, but I'm still leaning Morris.
No outright answers, but I'm still leaning Morris.
delusional
Footballguy
Lions just traded Harrison and a draft pick ( 2013 ) for Ronnie Brown
dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
Agreed, I think it has to be, why else make the move? They talked a big game with Morris, but he isn't a lead back, neither is Williams. Brown is far removed from who he used to be, we'll see what he has left.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
This could mean 3 things I think:
1. Best is done for the year.
B. Best won't play till after the bye.
or, they really just want to replace Harrison (doubtful).
I think he's out for at least a month. The Lions will figure out if they are in the playoff hunt, and if they are, they will rest him longer.
1. Best is done for the year.
B. Best won't play till after the bye.
or, they really just want to replace Harrison (doubtful).
I think he's out for at least a month. The Lions will figure out if they are in the playoff hunt, and if they are, they will rest him longer.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Not really. Brown was a top 3 RB last year before he got hurt (maybe that was 2009)
Ladsud
Footballguy
If he can hold on to the ball, had several terrible drops last game.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok, this is where it's at, isn't it? If it was No. 2 would they do a trade for a guy like Ronnie Brown? I mean where does he fit in on the bench?
Can No. 1 really be ruled out? That's a helluva an upside for Brown if the answer is no.
For those in deep leagues RB's are scarce.
So what are the thoughts on getting Ronnie Brown, vs Morris & K. Williams?
I dropped Keiland Williams as a Best owner. With the signing of Brown, even if Williams got some work, I doubt it would be productive enough to warrant starting in fantasy.
Pretty sure he had 2 concussions in college, the first was a mild one the week before the awful one.
The Captain
Footballguy
Morris will get the bulk of carries. Brown will be the shot yardage and goal line back. That's assuming he shows the same skills he did in Philly. If he regains some of his 2009 form Brown will probably get a larger chunk.In the end I think they grabbed brown to Handle the tough carries when Best returns. They need Best for his explosive playmaking abilities to get to and have a shot in the playoffs. Brown will play the role they hoped Leshoure would play...if he has anythingeft in the tank.
Since the Brown deal got nixed, I think you can expect a split between Williams and MoMo. I don't think either will be viable fantasy starters unless they score a TD though. But yea, they are certainly looking for a RB to truly back up Best as It seems they feel MoMo and Williams won't be able to cut it. I really hope this Best injury isn't as serious as it sounds. This guy was on his way to winning me a title in my league as a RB3. He look-ed like he has all the makings of a top fantasy RB in the mold of CJ,Charles, Westbrook, McCoy. All though he still needs work running through the middle when there isnt a gaping hole. Was really thinking Best could be added to the list of young RB's with a bright bright future, but this kind of thing could end his career within a year or two. Sucks. Oh and they signed James Davis to the practice squad. Maybe after he is up to speed Davis sees some time. Always thought he had enough to be a mediocre starting RB, but at least with more big play ability than Williams or MoMo.
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dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
Agreed, especially about Davis. He had some preseason hype a couple of years ago before injury, not sure how that affected him. Shanahan liked him before he walked out on practice, lol.
Yea. While he wasn't as talented as the hype would have suggested, I think it was attitude that got him thinking he was better than he was and not trying enough. Hopefully he matured at this point. But I would still think Davis could do the most with the attempts.
footballnerd
Footballguy
pick up Morris now
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
The Lions aren't saying much with their words about Best and his outlook, but with their actions they are speaking loudly. With concussions, especially a second one in the same season for a player who had a brutal head injury in college, nobody knows for sure how long he'll be out. They will err on the side of caution. They won't know anything at all until the concussion symptoms disappear. It is possible he may only miss a chunk of the season...seems like that is the best-case scenario. Worst case is he never plays again. The Lions appear to have attempted to cover the worst-case scenario, but having the Brown deal get nixed with the trade deadline now passed is a nightmare for them.
MoMo is almost 32 years old. Hard to see him getting more than 15 touches per game. Keiland Williams almost certainly becomes the goalline back and should get some other carries as well. No way to tell if James Davis will evolve into a factor but there's a good chance that eventually he will. Will be interesting to hear what ailment caused Jerome Harrison to fail the physical. Hard to forecast him as vaulting into the picture considering the trade and the failed physical. I'd say Morris is the best back to have but if his touches are understandably limited, his ceiling is probably a RB3.
The real bump may be for Pettigrew, who was already being used as an extension of the running game. I think he will become even more of a focal point as short passes will take the place of some of the RB touches.
MoMo is almost 32 years old. Hard to see him getting more than 15 touches per game. Keiland Williams almost certainly becomes the goalline back and should get some other carries as well. No way to tell if James Davis will evolve into a factor but there's a good chance that eventually he will. Will be interesting to hear what ailment caused Jerome Harrison to fail the physical. Hard to forecast him as vaulting into the picture considering the trade and the failed physical. I'd say Morris is the best back to have but if his touches are understandably limited, his ceiling is probably a RB3.
The real bump may be for Pettigrew, who was already being used as an extension of the running game. I think he will become even more of a focal point as short passes will take the place of some of the RB touches.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Lions fan and (Ex)Best owner here. Just traded Best plus pick next year for Wells. Desperation has an odor and I have it.
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