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I will be annoyed if Gordon is reinstated. There is too much money on the line fantasy wise to have a player who lead the league in Receiving last season fall late in the draft or to be acquired via Free Agency.

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I think it's a big deal for this to get done and for Gordon and Welker among others to get "saved" by this decision... NFL needs all the positive press it can muster right now with Nevermore Ray and TMZ is gonna be dropping another big egg in the face story tomorrow on the NFL claiming NFL new abt video but turned a blind eye as if they didn't want to see it

How is letting suspended players (for drugs) get out of their suspension positive press??? :confused:

I'd say it's more positive than what's on the tube now no? They will spin it as a positive to get the truly dangerous drugs out of the league... The bargaining chips (suspensions reduced) are a part of those negotiations supposedly

I think you are letting your bias lead you to a conclusion that doesn't make sense

Could this deal have been ready for this deadline anyway sure but you don't believe it's plausible that after a TERRIBLE pr day the NFL wants positive press about implementing HGH testing?? Other than those of us playing fantasy football don't you think most NFL fans won't care so much if a few guys who got busted for weed have their suspensions reduced??

Top 3 Story Lines in NFL tomorrow...

1.) Ray Rice Nevermore

2.) TMZ says NFL Turned the Other Cheek (see what I did there?)

3.) NFL Votes to Implement HGH Testing

Now you are changing your argument ....I bolded your original statement for you. You might want to read what you said.

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I think it's a big deal for this to get done and for Gordon and Welker among others to get "saved" by this decision... NFL needs all the positive press it can muster right now with Nevermore Ray and TMZ is gonna be dropping another big egg in the face story tomorrow on the NFL claiming NFL new abt video but turned a blind eye as if they didn't want to see it

How is letting suspended players (for drugs) get out of their suspension positive press??? :confused:

I'd say it's more positive than what's on the tube now no? They will spin it as a positive to get the truly dangerous drugs out of the league... The bargaining chips (suspensions reduced) are a part of those negotiations supposedly

I think you are letting your bias lead you to a conclusion that doesn't make sense

Could this deal have been ready for this deadline anyway sure but you don't believe it's plausible that after a TERRIBLE pr day the NFL wants positive press about implementing HGH testing?? Other than those of us playing fantasy football don't you think most NFL fans won't care so much if a few guys who got busted for weed have their suspensions reduced??

Top 3 Story Lines in NFL tomorrow...

1.) Ray Rice Nevermore

2.) TMZ says NFL Turned the Other Cheek (see what I did there?)

3.) NFL Votes to Implement HGH Testing

Now you are changing your argument ....I bolded your original statement for you. You might want to read what you said.

Ok my bad I see what ur saying... I meant the positive news of them passing the HGH testing... The lifting of suspensions will be a bonus for us in the fantasy football community but IMO won't make much of a stink positively or negatively in comparison to the other stories of the day

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Anybody know what time the vote is?

So nutshell, on this proposal, it has either has a clause written in that "current offenders will be subject to these new rules/standards" or it doesn't?

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I think it's a big deal for this to get done and for Gordon and Welker among others to get "saved" by this decision... NFL needs all the positive press it can muster right now with Nevermore Ray and TMZ is gonna be dropping another big egg in the face story tomorrow on the NFL claiming NFL new abt video but turned a blind eye as if they didn't want to see it

How is letting suspended players (for drugs) get out of their suspension positive press??? :confused:

I'd say it's more positive than what's on the tube now no? They will spin it as a positive to get the truly dangerous drugs out of the league... The bargaining chips (suspensions reduced) are a part of those negotiations supposedly

I think you are letting your bias lead you to a conclusion that doesn't make sense

Could this deal have been ready for this deadline anyway sure but you don't believe it's plausible that after a TERRIBLE pr day the NFL wants positive press about implementing HGH testing?? Other than those of us playing fantasy football don't you think most NFL fans won't care so much if a few guys who got busted for weed have their suspensions reduced??

Top 3 Story Lines in NFL tomorrow...

1.) Ray Rice Nevermore

2.) TMZ says NFL Turned the Other Cheek (see what I did there?)

3.) NFL Votes to Implement HGH Testing

Now you are changing your argument ....I bolded your original statement for you. You might want to read what you said.

Ok my bad I see what ur saying... I meant the positive news of them passing the HGH testing... The lifting of suspensions will be a bonus for us in the fantasy football community but IMO won't make much of a stink positively or negatively in comparison to the other stories of the day

Now we agree :yes:

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Anybody know what time the vote is?

So nutshell, on this proposal, it has either has a clause written in that "current offenders will be subject to these new rules/standards" or it doesn't?

They wouldnt be going through all this now if it did not have an instant benefit for the NFLPA and its suspended players.

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

Who is Lane Adkins?

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A guy drafted him, dropped him and I picked him up when I got the first sniff on all this last week. I drafted him in another league, dropped him, and was lucky enough to get him back.

Hope like hell the vote tomorrow allows him to play. Calvin, Fitz, and Gordon in a 14 team league would be awfully nice. Though I will say that it's looking like Floyd is the clear #1 now. Oh... and Chris Berman sucks.

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

Who is Lane Adkins?

A guy with the scoops.

Just like this entire thread.... 'til tomorrow!

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

Who is Lane Adkins?

A guy with the scoops.

Just like this entire thread.... 'til tomorrow!

Mmmm.......scoops........mmmmm

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

Who is Lane Adkins?

A blogger.

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"Depending on the deal that's struck, per Rapoport, it could lead to adjusted suspensions for players such as Josh Gordon, Wes Welker and Orlando Scandrick."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000391748/article/nfl-player-representatives-will-vote-on-new-drug-policy-tuesday

I always find it interesting what goes on NFL.com. I like how they go with "per Rapoport" but this is basically the league recognizing on it's website that the potential for these specific player's suspensions to be adjusted. That's significant IMO.

All along I've believed it's a long shot but I'm beginning to believe that if the NFLPA agrees to a deal Gordon will be reinstated for at least 8 games.

Or maybe the league doesn't know anything about Rapoports sources just like they never saw the Ray Rice tape.

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“@LaneAdkins: NFLPA close to pulling a rabbit named Josh Gordon out of a hat -- suspension not lifted yet, but significant progress made”

Who is Lane Adkins?

A guy with the scoops.

Just like this entire thread.... 'til tomorrow!

He works at Baskin-Robbins?

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I pretty much agree with that Grossi guy. If the NFLs threshold for a positive pot test is 60% lower than the one for air traffic controllers, that's just stupid. I'm thinking he's going to play this year. He better, I pissed away 27% of my blind bid bucks on him last week.

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I pretty much agree with that Grossi guy. If the NFLs threshold for a positive pot test is 60% lower than the one for air traffic controllers, that's just stupid. I'm thinking he's going to play this year. He better, I pissed away 27% of my blind bid bucks on him last week.

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Gordon reportedly registered a 16 (nanogram per millimeter) on the marijuana-o-meter – just 1 point above the ridiculously low NFL threshold of 15. Air traffic controllers are held to a threshold of 50. Olympic athletes have a threshold of 150.

The new NFL policy reportedly would set 50 as the new threshold, same as Major League Baseball.

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Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.

Every point right on the money, including the DWI.

Now, Free Josh Gordon.

That is a good article. I wonder about that DWI. If guilty he should be suspended 2 games. If he gets off on the pot charges today he would have been suspended one game for no reason. Could that count toward the DWI?

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Man, all that smugness from a few pages back seems to have evaporated.

Does it?

It just switched sides - at least for the moment.

Lol.

I'm just annoyed at being called stupid for hoping a lottery ticket pays out.

That, and I think the current pot testing policies are draconian.

Thats the issue, doesn't change that Gordon broke the rules.

That being said, if the rules are changed he should not be suspended. If they are not, then he deserves his suspension.

With testing at the levels they have them at, it is entirely possible to fail based upon being in the same room as someone smoking pot. If thats the INTENT of that rule, its ridiculous. I don't think that is the intent though. The rule is don't smoke pot, and I'm not sure he broke that rule.

actually, the rule is that there cant be a certain concentration of thc (or whatever the tested metabolite is) in your urine test.

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Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.

Every point right on the money, including the DWI.

Now, Free Josh Gordon.

If this article is one of the best things he's written, then his other articles must be really bad.

It's a bunch of speculation and conclusions that aren't logical. It actually sounds like a bunch of the desperate posts from Gordon-ites from this thread. The only thing missing was "Gordon tweeted today; that must means he knows something & is coming back!"

It starts with the question: "Browns never cleaned out Gordon's locker, what does that tell you," then " Gordon’s high-powered team of lawyers, didn't sue or try to get an injunction so he could play, what does that tell you?"

He then said that this means to him that the Browns, Gordon, and his lawyers were tipped off that he was going to be re-instated.

Wouldn't that fact that the Browns had better things to do than worry about Gordon's locker have been the reason it wasn't cleaned out? The decision wasn't made until 8/27, and Gordon was supposedly considering legal action until 9/5. Maybe the upcoming season opener was more important than house-cleaning? Justin Blackmon was suspended indefinitely last fall, and his locker wasn't cleaned out until this spring. Did the Jaguars "receive a tip" that he was going to be re-instated?

Maybe the reason Gordon's lawyers didn't sue was because they knew they had no case? The CBA is clear, and the arbitrator didn't do anything to warrant a injuction. Perhaps, instead of "getting a tip" that Gordon was going to be allowed back, they knew they had no legal leg to stand on?

The author goes on to discuss Aldon Smith and Ray Rice and how their punishments compared to Gordon's, as many Gordon-ites have done in this thread. He ignores the fact that they aren't relevant to Gordon's situation.

Smith got 4 games because of his 2nd violation of the substance abuse policy, plus 5 games under the personal conduct policy. Rice got 2 games under the personal conduct policy. Gordon got a year because of his 3rd "strike" under the substance abuse policy, AS THE CBA DICTATES! He doesn't acknowledge that fact (because it doesn't fit with his pre-conceived) "got a tip" theory.

He also downplays the Gordon job with a car dealership; he makes a joke out of it "why would he stay in Cleveland, to sell cars?"

Obviously, the car dealership job is/was more about endorsing the dealership & getting paid to do so. If Gordon had really "gotten a tip" that he'd be let back in the league, he could have just stayed in Cleveland without going through the charade of getting a car salesman job. The fact that he took the job is better evidence that he didn't "get a tip" than that he did, but the author spins it in a way to fit his pre-conceived theory.

The author also suggests that Gordon should sue if he's reinstated, because if a new policy is passed, than he didn't really fail. That's ridiculous. When Gordon failed, the NFL limit was 15; he pissed a 16. He failed. If a new policy is enacted, it doesn't change the fact that he failed. That's just a stupid argument. When the NFL enacted new rules making it illegal to hit QBs in the head and at the knees, did they go back and fine all the players who had done so the previous season?

He also suggests that the NFL should count his missed game in week 1 as his DUI (or part of it) suspension. Why? Because he's Josh Gordon? Do Welker, Mathis, Scandrick, etc get a 1 game "get out of suspension" card if their suspensions are revoked? It's another stupid argument. They were suspended for violating a valid rule. IF the rule changes, and IF they get their suspensions lifted, they should be grateful that they got lucky.

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Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.

Every point right on the money, including the DWI.

Now, Free Josh Gordon.

If this article is one of the best things he's written, then his other articles must be really bad.

It's a bunch of speculation and conclusions that aren't logical.

:goodposting:

Yeah there's zero meat to the article. Just sounds like an optimistic Browns fan. Hope we get a definite answer on the suspensions soon one way or the other.

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Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.

Every point right on the money, including the DWI.

Now, Free Josh Gordon.

If this article is one of the best things he's written, then his other articles must be really bad.

It's a bunch of speculation and conclusions that aren't logical.

:goodposting:

Yeah there's zero meat to the article. Just sounds like an optimistic Browns fan. Hope we get a definite answer on the suspensions soon one way or the other.

agreed. I find myself checking this thread, hoping for news, and have to spend more time checking & verifying the "news" that is reported/posted than I'd have spend searching for it myself.

I seem to be addicted though, I can't resist clicking on the thread.

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ESPN Cleveland calls Josh Gordon's reinstatement to the NFL "inevitable."



To be clear, ESPN Cleveland has no sources on this and is merely speculating. But a deal between the NFL and the union on a new drug policy could come as soon as this week. As part of that deal, players recently suspended for violations (that would no longer warrant suspensions) are expected to get their bans retroactively reduced or repealed. Gordon would still be facing a two-game suspension for the DWI he got on July 5, but the union doesn't want punishment until due process as part of the new pact. The Browns have not cleaned out Gordon's locker since his 16-game suspension was announced.

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Big scoop by Mort.

He was asked about Gordon, and frankly, his bumbling, stuttering answer didn't tell me too much, aside from the fact that he's not sure.

Glad it wasn't just me. Mort looked and sounded awful tonight.

I was wondering if he had some kind of health issue. He looked like he aged 10 years during the offseason and was practically incoherent.

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I will be annoyed if Gordon is reinstated. There is too much money on the line fantasy wise to have a player who lead the league in Receiving last season fall late in the draft or to be acquired via Free Agency.

I didn't draft him, but I don't begrudge whoever took the risk (in my case it's my division rival) seeing any reward out of it.

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Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.

Every point right on the money, including the DWI.

Now, Free Josh Gordon.

If this article is one of the best things he's written, then his other articles must be really bad.

It's a bunch of speculation and conclusions that aren't logical.

:goodposting:

Yeah there's zero meat to the article. Just sounds like an optimistic Browns fan. Hope we get a definite answer on the suspensions soon one way or the other.

The Gordon-owners party starts later tonight.

Coincidentally, the Sore VJay convention ( non owners) starts at the same time.

You've made this claim (or similar ones) several times. Are you saying we're in the 9th inning now?

If not decision comes today (or it's not the one you want), will you say we are in extra innings then?

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

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The ignorance displayed by the puffy chest Gordon backers is mind numbing. The odds that this helps Gordon isn't 0 percent but it is still significantly less than 1 percent. I guess all of the multiple assumptions that were previously proven wrong weren't enough for all of you?

will you give me 95:1? thats a massive overlay for you.

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I will be annoyed if Gordon is reinstated. There is too much money on the line fantasy wise to have a player who lead the league in Receiving last season fall late in the draft or to be acquired via Free Agency.

I didn't draft him, but I don't begrudge whoever took the risk (in my case it's my division rival) seeing any reward out of it.

I would be annoyed if he was acquired last week via FCFS waivers. Thankfully, my league drafted Wed and our rosters are locked till tonight. Thus, everyone will get a fair shot at him during blind bidding.

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I will be annoyed if Gordon is reinstated. There is too much money on the line fantasy wise to have a player who lead the league in Receiving last season fall late in the draft or to be acquired via Free Agency.

I didn't draft him, but I don't begrudge whoever took the risk (in my case it's my division rival) seeing any reward out of it.

This.

Especially if they reinstate him only to say, "Your hearing for the DWI will be next week".

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I just want this resolved one way or another. This has been a hysterical, long, strange trip... but its time for it to resolve.

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back

Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back

Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

Never heard of this rule. Ever.

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back

Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

Never heard of this rule. Ever.

In Yahoo, it isn't a rule but a setting. I think 24 hours has to pass before you can pick up the player you dropped. But you can pick them back up.

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This has been one funny trip. I shopped Gordon around after the suspension was upheld and got no takers. Now I am getting a bunch of those owners coming back trying to take me up of those old offers. LMAO!

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back
Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

Never heard of this rule. Ever.
Maybe it's just from playing yahoo leagues all my life. It's always been a default setting in yahoo.

So here's the first time you've heard of it and I will edit my word choice to "some leagues".

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back
Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

Never heard of this rule. Ever.
In Yahoo, it isn't a rule but a setting. I think 24 hours has to pass before you can pick up the player you dropped. But you can pick them back up.

You can pick them up as a free agent after waivers run.

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Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news

you must have a beastly team

MEgatron / DT / VJax / Gordon and a solid chance at getting KBenj back

Not sure if you are serious here, but...

Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.

Never heard of this rule. Ever.

You cannot put a waiver claim on anyone you sent to waivers. You can only pick him up after he clears.

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The ignorance displayed by the puffy chest Gordon backers is mind numbing. The odds that this helps Gordon isn't 0 percent but it is still significantly less than 1 percent. I guess all of the multiple assumptions that were previously proven wrong weren't enough for all of you?

will you give me 95:1? thats a massive overlay for you.

When I said this, it was in response to getting a deal done in time for the suspended players to play 16 games. I already won that bet.

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I just want this resolved one way or another. This has been a hysterical, long, strange trip... but its time for it to resolve.

About 140 pages since actual game results and projections were discussed.

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The ignorance displayed by the puffy chest Gordon backers is mind numbing. The odds that this helps Gordon isn't 0 percent but it is still significantly less than 1 percent. I guess all of the multiple assumptions that were previously proven wrong weren't enough for all of you?

will you give me 95:1? thats a massive overlay for you.

I deleted your post because we have been asked to not quote posts like yours numerous times. I'm sure you will find out why soon. Enjoy your time away

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The ignorance displayed by the puffy chest Gordon backers is mind numbing. The odds that this helps Gordon isn't 0 percent but it is still significantly less than 1 percent. I guess all of the multiple assumptions that were previously proven wrong weren't enough for all of you?

will you give me 95:1? thats a massive overlay for you.

I deleted your post because we have been asked to not quote posts like your numerous times. I'm sure you will find out why soon. Enjoy your time away

I have no idea what this is all about - but I must say it makes you look like you are about 10...

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