IheartGuinness
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Yes, it would. It would be pretty entertaining, actually. I'd also probably love it.
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (6 Viewers)
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massraider
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acksbowl:
Omniscient Deity
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
I agree with these points as well. That's why it's still up in the air per my previous post. Different conclusions can easily be drawn from that Feely segment. He was being careful with his words, he stopped in his words when it was pretty clear he was talking about just Gordon. I want him back Sunday just as much as anyone else that does. But I'm not getting my hopes up completely for the usual Browns letdown.
Captain Quinoa
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mquinnjr
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(HULK)
(Smash)
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
It is certainly a possibility.....Either way this thread is going to live on...those bragging about his numbers or those...needling the others about his lack of numbers...I think we would be remiss if we didn't invite Josh to join our forum, he has been around for so long that I feel like he is family at this point.
Why would it be more fair to apply the new standards to a test failed in December 2013 than a test in November 2013 or October 2013 or September 2013 or any other month during the 2013 season? Or, go even further back?
No matter what, the determining date is going to be arbitrary.
B-Deep
Footballguy
it could completely turn the fortunes of teams, again assuming that he plays most of the season and plays at his previous levels (neither of which is a given)
Bobcat10
Footballguy
It really is potentially amazing. I'm sure there were plenty of people like me who had to get rid of Gordon in keeper leagues (not dynasty), what else was I to do on 8/28? Now I lost him in that league potentially forever, but grabbed him in two redrafts a week later for free not even off waivers where he went undrafted. Rod Streater for Josh Gordon...thank you! Crazy.
Not necessarily. They could word the new policy in such a manner that it will apply to all players currently being disciplined under the old one.
Assuming Florio's got the goods, then Gordon's suspension should be lifted completely.
Rick James
Footballguy
dude if he plays on sunday that will be insane
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
This is actually a very good question......If there remains a staging system in place what stage would Gordon be at, with a new agreement, or will they start clean as bjabrad mentions....yet to be seen.
B-Deep
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if he is cleared and then you post a picutre of yourself in a gordon jersey holding a penny and a sign that says "told you so" it will seal this as the best shark pool thread ever
in fact i would demand that right after your post they lock the thread and call it perfection
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
man who do I bench now 
NJ
Footballguy
Its crazy how so many different "sources" say different things. Watching NFL Insiders and they are still reporting 8 games for Gordon because his failed test was in the prior league year. I really hope the Florio/Feely stuff is true and he's reinstated immediately because I don't want to spend the next 2 months hoping he doesn't get popped again before I get some production out him.
VaTerp
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The guy who hasn't been reinstated yet and may not see the field for another 7 weeks even after being reinstated.man who do I bench now
Rick James
Footballguy
i wish david wilson was around to see this thread
mbrasi
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vesihiisi
Footballguy
"I watched that great ESPN commercial on my iPad while I was on the NFL sidelines drinking my Powerade."
fridayfrenzy
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He tested positive in December 2013.
The sentence is confusing for Josh Gordon's case.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
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To be fair though it's not like Ben Watson isn't prone to "dropping the ball" from time to time
(Oh snap)
#freeJG
massraider
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
I read it as, "all players who tested positive, were disciplined or were placed into the drug or PED program after March 11, 2014, will have retroactivity." Gordon was disciplined in April, after the March 11, 2014, date. He'd fall into the second group from that sentence ("were disciplined . . . after March 11, 2014), and would have retroactivity.
massraider
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GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
I'd say he'd perform just above his previous level for half the season and just below that threshold for the rest of the season... Passable ;-)
Soulfly3
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Disciplinary Appeals.
Any player who is notified by the NFL Management Council that he is subject to
a fine or suspension (hereafter “discipline”) for violation of the terms of this
Policy may appeal such discipline directly to the Commissioner. A player must do
so in writing within five (5) days of receiving notice from the NFL that he is
subject to discipline. In his appeal, the player may not present grievances that
have not been raised in a timely manner in accordance with this Article V, nor
may he present defenses to the imposition of discipline that are the subject of
“Other Appeals” set forth in Section A.2., below.
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You have 5 days to appeal a handed down suspension
Gordon's appeal was filed about 2 months ago.
Far after March 11.
Kapow
Any player who is notified by the NFL Management Council that he is subject to
a fine or suspension (hereafter “discipline”) for violation of the terms of this
Policy may appeal such discipline directly to the Commissioner. A player must do
so in writing within five (5) days of receiving notice from the NFL that he is
subject to discipline. In his appeal, the player may not present grievances that
have not been raised in a timely manner in accordance with this Article V, nor
may he present defenses to the imposition of discipline that are the subject of
“Other Appeals” set forth in Section A.2., below.
-------------------------
You have 5 days to appeal a handed down suspension
Gordon's appeal was filed about 2 months ago.
Far after March 11.
Kapow
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Rick James
Footballguy
I'm naming my firstborn son Benjamin in honor of Josh Gordon.
The final revision has more changes. Item #2, we all heard the magic number 50 ng/ml. This is now at 35 ng/ml. More changes everywhere. This is why the Wednesday vote never took place. They had to negotiate. Josh Gordon falls under item #3. Either way, the final revision, if voted today will enable him for a full reinstatement.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/12/revised-drug-policy-will-have-various-new-features/related/
"1. An independent arbitrator will hear appeals for under both the substance-abuse policy and the PED policy. The NFL and NFLPA will jointly select, approve, and pay for a pool of three-to-five arbitrators.
2. The threshold for a positive test for marijuana will increase to 35 ng/ml. The prior limit was 15 ng/ml; the Olympic standard is 150 ng/ml. Also, the policy will have additional steps for players who test positive for the substance, before an initial suspension.
3. All players who tested positive or who were otherwise disciplined or placed into the drug or PED program will have retroactivity, with the new rules being reapplied as of March 11, 2014.
4. A two-game suspension will be issued upon conviction for driving under the influence. However, there will be no action taken after a DUI arrest, as the NFL initially had proposed.
5. Amphetamines taken without a Therapeutic Use Exemption during the offseason will be evaluated under the substance-abuse policy. During the season, a positive test without a TUE will continue to be a violation of the PED policy.
6. Testing for hGH will occur in the 2014 season. There will be no population study, but the players will have the ability to challenge the science during the appeal process. No blood samples will be collected on game days.
7. Independent investigators will be retained to review cases of breached confidentiality. Any employers of the league, the teams, the union, players, and agents found to be in violation of the confidentiality provision will face fines of up to $500,000, termination of employment, or other discipline."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/12/revised-drug-policy-will-have-various-new-features/related/
"1. An independent arbitrator will hear appeals for under both the substance-abuse policy and the PED policy. The NFL and NFLPA will jointly select, approve, and pay for a pool of three-to-five arbitrators.
2. The threshold for a positive test for marijuana will increase to 35 ng/ml. The prior limit was 15 ng/ml; the Olympic standard is 150 ng/ml. Also, the policy will have additional steps for players who test positive for the substance, before an initial suspension.
3. All players who tested positive or who were otherwise disciplined or placed into the drug or PED program will have retroactivity, with the new rules being reapplied as of March 11, 2014.
4. A two-game suspension will be issued upon conviction for driving under the influence. However, there will be no action taken after a DUI arrest, as the NFL initially had proposed.
5. Amphetamines taken without a Therapeutic Use Exemption during the offseason will be evaluated under the substance-abuse policy. During the season, a positive test without a TUE will continue to be a violation of the PED policy.
6. Testing for hGH will occur in the 2014 season. There will be no population study, but the players will have the ability to challenge the science during the appeal process. No blood samples will be collected on game days.
7. Independent investigators will be retained to review cases of breached confidentiality. Any employers of the league, the teams, the union, players, and agents found to be in violation of the confidentiality provision will face fines of up to $500,000, termination of employment, or other discipline."
Bobcat10
Footballguy
, easy there, tig
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
LaConfora just Tweeted:
"@GeorgeAtallah: For clarity and accuracy on the negotiations for new drug policies, some important information to follow:"
"@GeorgeAtallah: For clarity and accuracy on the negotiations for new drug policies, some important information to follow:"
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
"@GeorgeAtallah: If the NFLPA player representatives decide to vote on a proposal, it would be to authorize NFLPA negotiators to agree with the NFL over..."
"@GeorgeAtallah: ...the terms of the policy changes contained in the term sheet. After that, the NFL and NFLPA will finalize the drafts of the full policies."
"@GeorgeAtallah: ...the terms of the policy changes contained in the term sheet. After that, the NFL and NFLPA will finalize the drafts of the full policies."
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Love how Ray Rice is still trending on twitter. People are so missing out on the REAL story.
massraider
Footballguy
In case anyone was wondering, like I was, George Atallah is the: Assistant Executive Director of External Affairs at the NFLPA
His Twitter feed is pretty salty too.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
"@GeorgeAtallah: For clarity and accuracy on the negotiations for new drug policies, some important information to follow:"
George AtallahVerified account@GeorgeAtallah
.@jwalt2112 @TonyGrossi @ericwinston do either of you know the details of his situation? Or of what we are trying to negotiate? Ok then.
George AtallahVerified account @GeorgeAtallah 1hhttps://twitter.com/GeorgeAtallah/status/510492088451207169
@ericzstacey @jwalt2112 @TonyGrossi @ericwinston proud of the work we have done for players' rights. Good luck in your fantasty football
George AtallahVerified account@GeorgeAtallah
.@jwalt2112 @TonyGrossi @ericwinston do either of you know the details of his situation? Or of what we are trying to negotiate? Ok then.
George AtallahVerified account @GeorgeAtallah 1hhttps://twitter.com/GeorgeAtallah/status/510492088451207169
@ericzstacey @jwalt2112 @TonyGrossi @ericwinston proud of the work we have done for players' rights. Good luck in your fantasty football
Yes, any of them could be sitting next to someone lighting up without their knowledge and they could find themselves or their teammates in the same situation as the unfortunate Josh.Even BAL/PIT/CIN players?
