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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

It's not really that sad anymore. That ended after chance #3, IMO.

It's still ok to feel empathy for someone who has an addiction.

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There’s no addiction.  He just doesn’t care about football and never has. He comes back long enough to make a million or two and just takes the rest of the year off. He’ll do the same thing next year 

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Last catch in an NFL game will be 58 yards, some guys never make a 50 yard catch their entire careers, tragedy and waste of talent.

I used to wish that he would get the help he needed but this is going to go down a long dark path that will likely end with Gordon leaving this World a little before he should, just my gut feelings at this point. 

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1 minute ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Last catch in an NFL game will be 58 yards, some guys never make a 50 yard catch their entire careers, tragedy and waste of talent.

I used to wish that he would get the help he needed but this is going to go down a long dark path that will likely end with Gordon leaving this World a little before he should, just my gut feelings at this point. 

Did he study something in college that makes you think he’ll become an astronaut?

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28 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I mean, it’s always sad. Maybe no shock to it any more, but it’s never not sad when anyone succumbs to addiction like that.

As someone who’s dabbled in recreational enhancements but doesn’t have a very addictive personality, it’s hard for me to imagine trading getting high for an NFL career.

but then, I’m the kind of guy who can have a single beer with dinner, and move on with my evening while others I know are incapable of that sort of moderation. 

 

7 minutes ago, seahawk 17 said:

It's still ok to feel empathy for someone who has an addiction.

I’d be willing to agree if it wasn’t PED’s. Even if it was both, the PED’s were a choice, not an addiction.

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Gordon is a great example to show young kids just how addictive drugs are 

everyone would say there is NO WAY they'd stay addicted to drugs and give up millions of dollars (tens of millions) .......... and yet that's exactly what happened :( 

damn sad

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1 hour ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

There’s no addiction.

 

This is an awful comment, regardless of how you feel about guys being spoonfed multiple chances and whether they deserve it or not. 

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2 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

This is an awful comment, regardless of how you feel about guys being spoonfed multiple chances and whether they deserve it or not. 

Why do people think all football players like the game? It’s just a job to some 🤷‍♂️

He’s working the system and getting what he wants. Makes a few million than back to the party. Beats applying at Beat Buy right?

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wonder if @Soulfly3 will retire his jersey now. :shrug:

love ya buddy 

 

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4 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Last catch in an NFL game will be 58 yards, some guys never make a 50 yard catch their entire careers, tragedy and waste of talent.

In the same game where he had a pass attempt intercepted.  Seems about right.

Good luck to him off the field, but he's done on it.

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4 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Why do people think all football players like the game? It’s just a job to some 🤷‍♂️

He’s working the system and getting what he wants. Makes a few million than back to the party. Beats applying at Beat Buy right?

Is he though?  Every article and interview I've read has been about how he's too ####ed up to spend time with his kids.

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7 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

It's not really that sad anymore. That ended after chance #3, IMO.

 

7 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I mean, it’s always sad. Maybe no shock to it any more, but it’s never not sad when anyone succumbs to addiction like that.

Strangely, I think you are both right.

I do feel empathy and some sadness to see someone so talented yet so troubled not be able to live up to their potential and succumb to the darkness of addiction.

But as with any addict, there is only so much support around them can do -- the person needs to be ready to make that change in their heart as well as their mind. 

Gordon did not seem to be ready. And that's on him.

Hopefully he is ready one day, before the stakes are more meaningful than simply losing the opportunity to play pro sports. There is a lot more to lose than simply money.

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459 pages for a marginally talented WR never has been.

let's not put him in the Bo Jackson 'what could have been' bracket. 

and don't put him in with the Doc Goodens of the world, or D. Strawberry.

this guy wasn't anything spectacular, he had one decent 1/2 season and suspended the remainder of his career.

Shows that the cheatin' Pats knew he was no longer sober/clean, and they cut him loose

 Chris Carter had an equally sad career, initially, and turned it around. maybe HE should have 459 pages in the thread instead of a nobody, never has been like Gordon?

what, are we supposed to have sympathy or something? he did this to himself. he wasn't more than a flash in the pan, one season one hit wonder, anyways.

 

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2 hours ago, Tanner9919 said:

459 pages for a marginally talented WR never has been.

let's not put him in the Bo Jackson 'what could have been' bracket. 

and don't put him in with the Doc Goodens of the world, or D. Strawberry.

this guy wasn't anything spectacular, he had one decent 1/2 season and suspended the remainder of his career.

Shows that the cheatin' Pats knew he was no longer sober/clean, and they cut him loose

 Chris Carter had an equally sad career, initially, and turned it around. maybe HE should have 459 pages in the thread instead of a nobody, never has been like Gordon?

what, are we supposed to have sympathy or something? he did this to himself. he wasn't more than a flash in the pan, one season one hit wonder, anyways.

 

You don’t have to have sympathy, there are sadder cases in this world for that. However I disagree that he was a marginally talented receiver. Had he not been under the influence and been focused on his improving his craft he had a chance to be very good. He had all of the natural talent in the world, but that was never developed anywhere near its potential due to his off field actions. 

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On the plus side, his 1-58 performance during the fantasy football playoffs was one of his best performances in a half decade.  He was actually WR57 in ppr which meant he was useable as a below average WR5 in leagues where you have very deep starting requirements.  

Oh, your league deducts two points for INTs.  That drops Gordon to WR72 which was typical of his fantasy football playoff for years.  If there's one thing we can say about Josh, his output was very dependable and consistent in the FF playoffs.

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Sad day again. There was sort of a big, fat NO this time about hoping he'd be a viable fantasy guy, now just hoping he gets help and peace.  

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15 hours ago, Wu-banger said:

NFL does not consider weed a "substance of abuse"  - that's saved for harder drugs that Gordon has a long history of....

Ok, but that wasn't really my question.  The statement read PEDs and substances of abuse.  So he tested positive for (at least) two different kind of things, with two very different purposes. 

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Hopefully he is ready one day, before the stakes are more meaningful than simply losing the opportunity to play pro sports. There is a lot more to lose than simply money.

This may be “rock bottom” which, sadly, is what it usually takes. 
 

ps - I can’t message you. I need your shipping address since I owe ya sauce from the K contest! You can email me at scott@luckydoghotsauce.com

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9 hours ago, Tanner9919 said:

459 pages for a marginally talented WR never has been.

let's not put him in the Bo Jackson 'what could have been' bracket. 

and don't put him in with the Doc Goodens of the world, or D. Strawberry.

this guy wasn't anything spectacular, he had one decent 1/2 season and suspended the remainder of his career.

Shows that the cheatin' Pats knew he was no longer sober/clean, and they cut him loose

 Chris Carter had an equally sad career, initially, and turned it around. maybe HE should have 459 pages in the thread instead of a nobody, never has been like Gordon?

what, are we supposed to have sympathy or something? he did this to himself. he wasn't more than a flash in the pan, one season one hit wonder, anyways.

 

did it to himself? Maybe to a point but try walking a mile in his shoes and see where you end up.

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7 minutes ago, CGRdrJoe said:

did it to himself? Maybe to a point but try walking a mile in his shoes and see where you end up.

Retirement on Easy Street and probably some blisters. 

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3 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Retirement on Easy Street and probably some blisters. 

is that you walking in his shoes based off where and how you were raised? Because that's not how it works, sorry but no privilege.

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13 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

Was this latest one for weed again?

They don't announce what was involved, but he got dinged for substance abuse and PED's this time.

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18 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

They don't announce what was involved, but he got dinged for substance abuse and PED's this time.

He should ask for a refund on the PEDs. 

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18 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Why do people think all football players like the game? It’s just a job to some 🤷‍♂️

He’s working the system and getting what he wants. Makes a few million than back to the party. Beats applying at Beat Buy right?

how could you possibly know this?

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9 hours ago, CGRdrJoe said:

did it to himself? Maybe to a point but try walking a mile in his shoes and see where you end up.

Probably a mile from where you started. And feeling bad because you left him with no shoes.

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Sure Josh, go ahead and smoke whenever you feel like it. That should solve any issues.

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5 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

How many more years of Josh Gordon threads......?

Fixed that for you.

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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports suspended Seahawks WR Josh Gordon intends to play in 2020.

Per Fowler, "commissioner Roger Goodell will oversee Gordon's reinstatement attempt." Gordon is currently serving his sixth suspension since 2013, this one for violating both the league's substance-abuse and PED policies. The league's new CBA takes a much more lenient approach to substance abuse, with marijuana suspensions no longer a possibility. Gordon turns 29 next month.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Mar 19, 2020, 12:23 AM ET

 

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I wonder if my old Walkman works. Maybe my original Atari I had back in the 70s/80s. These items are as relevant today as Josh Gordon to my rosters. 

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ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio reports free agent WR Josh Gordon will apply for reinstatement soon.

Gordon has been with the Browns, Patriot and Seahawks since 2018. He still demonstrated some field-stretching ability, but it's been awhile since we've seen the unstoppable force that took over the league back in 2013. The good news is that Gordon's willingness to join the Seahawks in 2019 as their No. 3 WR means he's likely more than fine with competing for a backup role. There are still plenty of obstacles ahead of reinstatement, but here's to rooting for Flash in 2020 and beyond.

SOURCE: Profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

May 21, 2020, 11:26 AM ET

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Faust said:

ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio reports free agent WR Josh Gordon will apply for reinstatement soon.

Gordon has been with the Browns, Patriot and Seahawks since 2018. He still demonstrated some field-stretching ability, but it's been awhile since we've seen the unstoppable force that took over the league back in 2013. The good news is that Gordon's willingness to join the Seahawks in 2019 as their No. 3 WR means he's likely more than fine with competing for a backup role. There are still plenty of obstacles ahead of reinstatement, but here's to rooting for Flash in 2020 and beyond.

SOURCE: Profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

May 21, 2020, 11:26 AM ET

 

I wish him the best, but I am tired of hearing about Josh Gordon.

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6 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

I wish him the best, but I am tired of hearing about Josh Gordon.

I feel the same.  He needs to spend 24/7 focusing on his addiction issues.

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I drafted at 7.12 final rookie pick in 1 of my FFPC leagues.................:lol:

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I did drop him in dynasty. I don't ever see him being a productive member worthy of a roster spot again. I said it. I've given up. 

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8 hours ago, rockaction said:

I did drop him in dynasty. I don't ever see him being a productive member worthy of a roster spot again. I said it. I've given up. 

Never giving up on this guy! It's like a drug... must have him in every league 🙃

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