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Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
I think in years past using you scenario it would have been one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and two of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6).CJ is projected to score 13 TDs v. 11-13 TDs with two from your list. In years past the equal dollar combos would have been projected around 15 TDs. This always made for a tough decision of locking up stud numbers or relying of a best ball scatter gun approach.
 
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct

 
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Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
I wasn't saying one way was better than the other. I was just trying to get some conversations going. Like I said, my roster keeps getting smaller and smaller...can you guess what side of the fence I'm on.
 
I wasn't saying one way was better than the other. I was just trying to get some conversations going. Like I said, my roster keeps getting smaller and smaller...can you guess what side of the fence I'm on.
i am saying one way IS better than the other. the only exception is at wr, but even then, you are only hoping to equal what a group of studs will get you. i think it's a better idea to get $3 guys that can turn into $10 guys and provide you with good depth as opposed to $15 guys that can turn into $30 guys.for example, i can't imagine why anyone would not take royster and benson. add 2 studs and 1 more guy like b scott and that looks like the best possible value at the rb position to me. the risk is if stud1 or stud2 gets hurt, but you are not going to survive is ryan williams goes down either.
 
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Tweak, tweak, tweak some more.

I think I've gone through a thousand variations so far. And my roster keeps getting smaller. I think I finally found one I like though. Too bad there are another two weeks to go before the deadline.

 
4 rb's and 6 wr's or 5 rb's and 5 wr's?
5 RBs is a minimum, as is 7 WRs
why? aren't you pretty much out of the contest if you get an injury? why prepair for it if you are out either way?
If you don't prepare for it, you'll go out. Proper preparation avoids it. Lost my top 2 RBs early last season (and a 3rd for several weeks) and still made it to the final cut. Would have made the finals if one of my WRs hadn't dropped aTD pass.
 
Special thanks to those posting their rosters / talking bargins. I had overlooked one bargain that I've now added. Sorry in advance if this pushes you one rung down the money ladder.

 
Special thanks to those posting their rosters / talking bargins. I had overlooked one bargain that I've now added. Sorry in advance if this pushes you one rung down the money ladder.
correct me if i am wrong but aren't there 10,000+ entries? im not posting my roster but to those who do, it's not going to make a difference
 
Special thanks to those posting their rosters / talking bargins. I had overlooked one bargain that I've now added. Sorry in advance if this pushes you one rung down the money ladder.
correct me if i am wrong but aren't there 10,000+ entries? im not posting my roster but to those who do, it's not going to make a difference
You're right about the 10k entries, but wrong about all the "helpful" people posting strategies and bargains in this thread not making a difference.
 
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'flc735 said:
'apalmer said:
'flc735 said:
4 rb's and 6 wr's or 5 rb's and 5 wr's?
5 RBs is a minimum, as is 7 WRs
why? aren't you pretty much out of the contest if you get an injury? why prepair for it if you are out either way?
If you don't prepare for it, you'll go out. Proper preparation avoids it. Lost my top 2 RBs early last season (and a 3rd for several weeks) and still made it to the final cut. Would have made the finals if one of my WRs hadn't dropped aTD pass.
this is my first year in this. my conclusions are coming from my obsessive number crunching plus a dash of common sense. what you said makes more sense to me now. to give back a little, i found that on average, for every $1 you spend on a k or d after the $6 minimum, you should expect to add .4-.5 ppg to your weekly average. this assumes that you spend your k&d money wisely. there are millions of variables of course, but that's about the gain/loss per dollar spent you should expect.as your 5th rb, what would you say is better? handcuffing rice with pierce, or going with rice and an upside guy like powell or mendy?also, what do you think about britt and mendy. they won't help you early, but that would be during the easy weeks. they could turn into great flex plays for their cost through the important part of the year
 
Special thanks to those posting their rosters / talking bargins. I had overlooked one bargain that I've now added. Sorry in advance if this pushes you one rung down the money ladder.
correct me if i am wrong but aren't there 10,000+ entries? im not posting my roster but to those who do, it's not going to make a difference
You're right about the 10k entries, but wrong about all the "helpful" people posting strategies and bargains in this thread not making a difference.
Well not being the sharpest tool in the shed I know I appreciate all the help I can get.
 
Special thanks to those posting their rosters / talking bargins. I had overlooked one bargain that I've now added. Sorry in advance if this pushes you one rung down the money ladder.
correct me if i am wrong but aren't there 10,000+ entries? im not posting my roster but to those who do, it's not going to make a difference
You're right about the 10k entries, but wrong about all the "helpful" people posting strategies and bargains in this thread not making a difference.
the odds of you finishing in a spot in which you will loose money if you move 1 spot lower is 0.14%if 10 people see your post and change their rosters, about half will improve their team because of it. the odds of at least 1 of those people finishing in the top 150 is 7.5%

the odds of both of these events happening, which is what we are talking about is 0.01%

or in other words, 9,588 to 1

:nerd:

 
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correct me if i am wrong but aren't there 10,000+ entries? im not posting my roster but to those who do, it's not going to make a difference
The Butterfly Effect
where a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state.
no, this is linear. if you add one magic team that scores 300 per week, its not going to flip the final standings upside down. all it would do it move the 100th place team to 101st, the 1050th team to 1051st ect...the butterfly effect would apply negatively to something like an injury to a significant player. if tom brady breaks his leg in week 1, then you would have the tom brady teams finishing in 2,000th, 4500th and 6,000th place rather than 5th, 400th and 900th and all the non brady teams would move up in a linear progression as those brady teams are knocked out. it would also result in drastically different outcomes for teams that had gronk, welker, lloyd, ridley and hernandez on their rosters, for better or worse.

 
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I can understand not having every backup QB available, but surely every kicker should be an option. Two kickers down with 1-2 more on the bubble.

 
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?

 
where a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state.
no, this is linear. if you add one magic team that scores 300 per week, its not going to flip the final standings upside down. all it would do it move the 100th place team to 101st, the 1050th team to 1051st ect...
I was referring to the player selection process, since that's what we were talking about - people posting full rosters or low cost studs and influencing other readers to change their selections. Anyway, in previous years I've tried to determine how many people actually read this thread, and it has typically been around 10% of the total entries. A very rough guess of course. But what happens every year, without fail, is that the readers of this thread will have very high ownership of about 7 or 8 players in common. That can definitely change the landscape of the Final 250 entries if a few of those players hit. From that point on though, coming out as #1 in the final 3 weeks is mostly luck of course.

 
where a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state.
no, this is linear. if you add one magic team that scores 300 per week, its not going to flip the final standings upside down. all it would do it move the 100th place team to 101st, the 1050th team to 1051st ect...
I was referring to the player selection process, since that's what we were talking about - people posting full rosters or low cost studs and influencing other readers to change their selections. Anyway, in previous years I've tried to determine how many people actually read this thread, and it has typically been around 10% of the total entries. A very rough guess of course. But what happens every year, without fail, is that the readers of this thread will have very high ownership of about 7 or 8 players in common. That can definitely change the landscape of the Final 250 entries if a few of those players hit. From that point on though, coming out as #1 in the final 3 weeks is mostly luck of course.
I'd argue that this is more out of those 7 or 8 players being "hot sleepers" that anyone who spends any time on these message boards would be higher on, than specifically because of this thread. The major contributors to this thread, imo, tend not to reveal anything serious about their rosters until it's locked.

But I agree, I see no benefit to posting your roster prior to lockdown. If even one person see's it and goes, "Hey, yeah, I forgot about that guy, let me throw him in there," you're team is worse off now, even if it's only by .001%. It's really unlikely any specific team will win this thing, why make it slightly more unlikely?

 
The only reason I've posted rosters so far is because I know they aren't anything close to what my final one will end up being.

Besides, half the fun of this contest is discussing and arguing over strategies anyway. Winning this is all luck anyway.

 
The only reason I've posted rosters so far is because I know they aren't anything close to what my final one will end up being.Besides, half the fun of this contest is discussing and arguing over strategies anyway. Winning this is all luck anyway.
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I also agree. The problem though is so many people are unwilling to discuss roster/strategy before they lock, and after they lock, this thread gets bombarded with people posting their teams, most of which don't even post any reasoning behind them.
 
The only reason I've posted rosters so far is because I know they aren't anything close to what my final one will end up being.Besides, half the fun of this contest is discussing and arguing over strategies anyway. Winning this is all luck anyway.
:goodposting:
I also agree. The problem though is so many people are unwilling to discuss roster/strategy before they lock, and after they lock, this thread gets bombarded with people posting their teams, most of which don't even post any reasoning behind them.
Everybody thinks their strategy is the winning one and that they're the only ones who notice that guys like Benson and Tannehill are dirt cheap. :lmao: :lmao:
 
The only reason I've posted rosters so far is because I know they aren't anything close to what my final one will end up being.

Besides, half the fun of this contest is discussing and arguing over strategies anyway. Winning this is all luck anyway.
:goodposting:
I also agree. The problem though is so many people are unwilling to discuss roster/strategy before they lock, and after they lock, this thread gets bombarded with people posting their teams, most of which don't even post any reasoning behind them.
Everybody thinks their strategy is the winning one and that they're the only ones who notice that guys like Benson and Tannehill are dirt cheap. :lmao: :lmao:
Shhhhhhh

 
The only reason I've posted rosters so far is because I know they aren't anything close to what my final one will end up being.Besides, half the fun of this contest is discussing and arguing over strategies anyway. Winning this is all luck anyway.
:goodposting:
I also agree. The problem though is so many people are unwilling to discuss roster/strategy before they lock, and after they lock, this thread gets bombarded with people posting their teams, most of which don't even post any reasoning behind them.
Everybody thinks their strategy is the winning one and that they're the only ones who notice that guys like Benson and Tannehill are dirt cheap. :lmao: :lmao:
The was one dirt cheap guy as well as something else I had missed.
 
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I'd still love to see ... prices modified on a weekly basis, if you revised your roster you get the new pricing
Love this idea. If you spot "value" plays early in the preseason, you can lock them in on your roster for cheap. As the preseason goes on and the inevitable hype builds, the latecomers will have to pay more for the same player.I imagine this would be a programming nightmare, though, so I'm sure it will never happen.
 
Tweak after tweak after tweak and still around 22-23 players. Last few years I had 28+.

2QB ($42)

5RB ($80)

7WR ($89)

2TE ($18)

3K ($12)

3D ($9)

22 = $250

A lot thinner at TE than I'd like but it is just too hard to pass on studs at RB and WR.

 
'Modog814 said:
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
NO. i selected the players you said and then used even better numbers so you wouldn't say thisit all turns out the same

give me more and ill show you

Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
thats to hard to show you but no, thats not really going to make a difference
 
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'Modog814 said:
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
NO. i selected the players you said and then used even better numbers so you wouldn't say thisit all turns out the same

give me more and ill show you
I didn't tell you any players. Maybe I'm just confused as to what you're doing. But last year a strategy of two middle QB's could have outproduced a top + cheap qb. The Stafford/Newton combo cost only $1 more than Rodgers alone and you probably got better or at worse equal production than Rodgers + anyone else, at a discount.
 
'Modog814 said:
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
NO. i selected the players you said and then used even better numbers so you wouldn't say thisit all turns out the same

give me more and ill show you
I didn't tell you any players. Maybe I'm just confused as to what you're doing. But last year a strategy of two middle QB's could have outproduced a top + cheap qb. The Stafford/Newton combo cost only $1 more than Rodgers alone and you probably got better or at worse equal production than Rodgers + anyone else, at a discount.
hairy did. im taking a stud+scrub and to med players and showing the production in a start 1 best ball format
 
'Modog814 said:
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
NO. i selected the players you said and then used even better numbers so you wouldn't say thisit all turns out the same

give me more and ill show you
I didn't tell you any players. Maybe I'm just confused as to what you're doing. But last year a strategy of two middle QB's could have outproduced a top + cheap qb. The Stafford/Newton combo cost only $1 more than Rodgers alone and you probably got better or at worse equal production than Rodgers + anyone else, at a discount.
hairy did. im taking a stud+scrub and to med players and showing the production in a start 1 best ball format
Ok, so if you take Stafford last year, plus any other middle QB, doesn't that give you stats similar or better to any top + scrub QB combination?I think it's unfair to compare using last year stats because last years stats are the reason that Rodgers is the most expensive choice and Ryan and Cutler are middling. It comes down to making the right selection.

 
Oh where oh where shall I spend my last $2. I don't really like any upgrades from the players I have already selected. So which $2 lottery ticket shall I purchase?

 
2QB - 1 top 8 guy

6RB - 2 guys over 20$

9WR - only 1 guy over 20$

2TE - 1 Top 5 guy

3K - cheap

3D - cheap

keep flipping back and forth on my QB strategy, pretty set at all other positions

 
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'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'd still love to see ... prices modified on a weekly basis, if you revised your roster you get the new pricing
Love this idea. If you spot "value" plays early in the preseason, you can lock them in on your roster for cheap. As the preseason goes on and the inevitable hype builds, the latecomers will have to pay more for the same player.I imagine this would be a programming nightmare, though, so I'm sure it will never happen.
Oh man, that would be rough! You'd really have to give your first iteration a LOT of thought. Even then you'd be wondering if getting Chad Johnson's $4 back and making a few minor changes would be worth it... I don't need that headache!
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'd still love to see ... prices modified on a weekly basis, if you revised your roster you get the new pricing
Love this idea. If you spot "value" plays early in the preseason, you can lock them in on your roster for cheap. As the preseason goes on and the inevitable hype builds, the latecomers will have to pay more for the same player.I imagine this would be a programming nightmare, though, so I'm sure it will never happen.
Oh man, that would be rough! You'd really have to give your first iteration a LOT of thought. Even then you'd be wondering if getting Chad Johnson's $4 back and making a few minor changes would be worth it... I don't need that headache!
But would it be set up like the stock market? If you you do choose Chad Johnson for $4 dollars and then he headbutts his wife, his price goes down. But you invested in the $4 dollar Johnson, so when he drops to $1 you lose $3 total dollars from the total price you can pick from in the end. So instead of having $250, you only have $247 left if you choose to cut him from your team.
 
'Modog814 said:
Every time I change my roster, I find myself getting a smaller roster with more studs. Started this process with 28 and now I'm down to 22.
Pretty much the same here. Started with 29 and am now down to around 22.You choose; Megatron or Holmes + Rice. Wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the rosters had Megatron. I remember in years gone by debating taking a stud v. three mid-tier players in this best ball format. That's not really an option this year.
I think the more realistic comparison is more like Megatron 29 or one of (J. Jones 23, Marshall 22, Cruz 22, or Green 22) and one of (Blackman 7, Wright 6, or Amendola 6) Could one of those 4 put up Megatron numbers? Yes...and you get a bonus guy.
Or would you rather have Rdgers 31 and Tannehill 4 or Ryan 19 and Cutler 17?
you are very wrong.here are rodgers and gabberts pts scored from last year

33.7 28.7 30.2 58 31.7 33.3 35.6 B 41.6 37.6 33.8 26.3 43.7 24.1 26 46 2.7 8.2 15.2 16.2 13.1 3.6 7.3 B 10.7 10.5 4.9 20.7 16.6 9.6 8.3 9.3and here are the numbers from ryan and rivers, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Code:
13	30.4	19.7	23.2	11.3	20.9	19.1	B	29.8	28.5	22.1	30.4	16.4	39	29.2	24.4	17.324.5	27.1	8.1	23.2	21.5	B	10.9	13.6	36.2	23.1	22	15.5	32.7	29	19.5	17	31.2
rodgers+tannahill gets you 32.2 ppg for $35an overachieving ryan+cutler gets you 26.3 ppg for $36

now lets take calvin+doucette

19.5 4 10 7.2 17.2 B 14 10 13.8 10.4 11 2.4 2 16.3 6.7 6.726.8 17.9 29.8 29.6 24 18.3 22.5 24.5 B 13.1 13.9 14.9 12.9 7 42.4 20.2 21.3 ppgvs roddy+crabtree from last year, who i think is a good comparison to blackmon this year

14.1 11.3 23 13.8 17 4.1 16.2 B 11.6 10.2 21.7 28 15.1 21.4 35.5 23.71.4 5.4 11.8 5.6 16.7 B 16.4 10.1 5.1 19 11.4 19.6 13.3 7.5 13.5 18.8 ppg for the same costas you see, no. what you said is not correct
Not saying that you're wrong but this is hardlyconclusive. You selected 2 situations that happen to prove your point, including 2 players who had absolutely monstr seasons. . I'm sure I could find two combos that pointed the other way. Also for the Wrs did you take into account the ability to have both players count toward your score?
NO. i selected the players you said and then used even better numbers so you wouldn't say thisit all turns out the same

give me more and ill show you
I didn't tell you any players. Maybe I'm just confused as to what you're doing. But last year a strategy of two middle QB's could have outproduced a top + cheap qb. The Stafford/Newton combo cost only $1 more than Rodgers alone and you probably got better or at worse equal production than Rodgers + anyone else, at a discount.
hairy did. im taking a stud+scrub and to med players and showing the production in a start 1 best ball format
Ok, so if you take Stafford last year, plus any other middle QB, doesn't that give you stats similar or better to any top + scrub QB combination?I think it's unfair to compare using last year stats because last years stats are the reason that Rodgers is the most expensive choice and Ryan and Cutler are middling. It comes down to making the right selection.
here http://football11.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=74029&O=08that has the scoring system in it

we cant manually predict week to week scoring variations so the best thing we can do is take numbers from last year. that way, you have the random variation already built in.

julio was mentioned. he is clearly going to do better this year so i used roddy's numbers from last year to represent julio for this year. you can just as well use cruz, fitz or who ever

9 out of 10 times, you will find that the stud+scrub will win out over the two mid players

i was able to find only 1 pairing at qb that should score more relative to cost than tannehill+ brees/rodgers or brady. tannehill+ brees/rodgers or brady hold the next 3 best options

now, if you strongly feel that you can find the next stafford and cam newton, you can throw all these numbers out the window

 
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'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'd still love to see ... prices modified on a weekly basis, if you revised your roster you get the new pricing
Love this idea. If you spot "value" plays early in the preseason, you can lock them in on your roster for cheap. As the preseason goes on and the inevitable hype builds, the latecomers will have to pay more for the same player.I imagine this would be a programming nightmare, though, so I'm sure it will never happen.
Oh man, that would be rough! You'd really have to give your first iteration a LOT of thought. Even then you'd be wondering if getting Chad Johnson's $4 back and making a few minor changes would be worth it... I don't need that headache!
But would it be set up like the stock market? If you you do choose Chad Johnson for $4 dollars and then he headbutts his wife, his price goes down. But you invested in the $4 dollar Johnson, so when he drops to $1 you lose $3 total dollars from the total price you can pick from in the end. So instead of having $250, you only have $247 left if you choose to cut him from your team.
no because the people that adjust daily would have a huge advantage over the normal players
 
Here is the winning team:

Your team has been successfully entered.

QB - Michael Vick - PHI/7 - $22

QB - Matt Ryan - ATL/7 - $19

RB - LeSean McCoy - PHI/7 - $32

RB - Michael Turner - ATL/7 - $18

RB - Peyton Hillis - KC/7 - $14

RB - Daniel Thomas - MIA/7 - $8

RB - Ronnie Brown - SD/7 - $2

WR - Julio Jones - ATL/7 - $23

WR - Dwayne Bowe - KC/7 - $17

WR - Eric Decker - DEN/7 - $17

WR - Jeremy Maclin - PHI/7 - $17

WR - Malcom Floyd - SD/7 - $13

WR - Davone Bess - MIA/7 - $6

TE - Tony Gonzalez - ATL/7 - $13

TE - Tony Moeaki - KC/7 - $8

PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/7 - $4

PK - Dan Carpenter - MIA/7 - $3

PK - Matt Prater - DEN/7 - $3

TD - San Diego Chargers - SD/7 - $4

TD - Denver Broncos - DEN/7 - $4

TD - Kansas City Chiefs - KC/7 - $3

Total value: 250

 
Here is the winning team:Your team has been successfully entered. QB - Michael Vick - PHI/7 - $22QB - Matt Ryan - ATL/7 - $19RB - LeSean McCoy - PHI/7 - $32RB - Michael Turner - ATL/7 - $18RB - Peyton Hillis - KC/7 - $14RB - Daniel Thomas - MIA/7 - $8RB - Ronnie Brown - SD/7 - $2WR - Julio Jones - ATL/7 - $23WR - Dwayne Bowe - KC/7 - $17WR - Eric Decker - DEN/7 - $17WR - Jeremy Maclin - PHI/7 - $17WR - Malcom Floyd - SD/7 - $13WR - Davone Bess - MIA/7 - $6TE - Tony Gonzalez - ATL/7 - $13TE - Tony Moeaki - KC/7 - $8PK - Matt Bryant - ATL/7 - $4PK - Dan Carpenter - MIA/7 - $3PK - Matt Prater - DEN/7 - $3TD - San Diego Chargers - SD/7 - $4TD - Denver Broncos - DEN/7 - $4TD - Kansas City Chiefs - KC/7 - $3Total value: 250
thanks. so what happens when we tie for 1st? do we each get 20k or do we split it?
 

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