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Anyone see this? I wasn't sure of this was posted anywhere but I haven't looked really hard.

Heavily armed officers near the suspect’s home at the scene of a Dale County hostage crisis in Midland City, Ala., on Jan. 30.

By Caitlin Dewey, Published: THURSDAY, JANUARY 31, 1:15 PM ET

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The hostage situation in Midland City, Ala., is approaching its third day with no new developments.

“We really don’t have a whole lot to add. I hate to tell you that, but that’s the way it is,” said Dale County Sheriff Wally Olson at a morning news conference in which he refused to answer questions about the 5-year-old kidnapped from a school bus Tuesday afternoon or the 65-year-old man holding him.

That man, Jimmy Lee Dykes, reportedly stopped a school bus on a dirt road about 3:35 p.m., shooting the driver four times with a pistol before seizing a random kindergartner and returning to an underground bunker on his property.

Since then, a team of local, state and federal officers, led by the FBI, have been desperately trying to talk Dykes out of the standoff. According to local news reports, police assault teams have staked out the perimeter of Dykes’s property and evacuated neighbors, while more than 50 police vehicles and several mobile command centers sit in a nearby church parking lot.

Police have made contact with Dykes through a PVC pipe that extends into the bunker. At one point, he allowed officers to pass down coloring books and medicine for the boy, identified only as Ethan, who reportedly suffers from Asperger’s syndrome and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. According to the Montgomery Advertiser, his sixth birthday is next week.

A negotiator can be heard yelling at Dykes in a recording posted by Montgomery’s WSFA-TV. “This isn’t going to end itself,” he says. “You need to come out and talk to us.”

Despite those orders, the scene on Private Road 1539 remains tense — and unchanging.

Local TV reporters near the bunker this morning tweeted that a helicopter circled the area and touched down nearby. Later, a Dale County Sheriff’s Office bus pulled up, and “a lot more movement” broke out on the scene, according to one reporter. But after that, nothing.

There are few other details about the situation and lots of questions. While police know the bunker has electricity, they don’t know how deep it is, what else is in it, or how Dykes and the boy are keeping warm in Alabama’s 30-degree nighttime temperatures. Perhaps most disconcertingly, Dykes’s motive for the kidnapping is still unclear.

Neighbors have painted Dykes as a paranoid loner who stalked his property at night, flashlight and shotgun in hand. He was arrested Dec. 22 and was due in court yesterday on charges that he yelled and fired shots at his neighbor over damage her pickup truck did to a speed bump in the dirt road, according to the Montgomery Advertiser.

In 2000, Dykes was arrested in Florida for marijuana possession, reports the Dothan Eagle. Five years earlier, he was charged for “improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms,” which means he pulled a weapon in a “rude, careless, angry or threatening manner.”

Neighbors have also accused Dykes of threatening to shoot their children and pets. One said he beat her 120-pound dog to death with a lead pipe and bragged about it afterward. According to some reports, he was a retired trucker or surveyor, a survivalist who didn’t trust the government and a Vietnam veteran who may suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder.

Until more is known, residents of this tiny Bible Belt town are coping with prayer. On Wednesday, community members gathered in the town square for a candlelight vigil, where they sang “Amazing Grace.” On Twitter, locals have flooded #RescueEthan with prayers for the kidnapped boy, his family and his kidnapper.

“We don’t need gun control, we need Jesus,” wrote one woman.

“God please touch the heart of that man and allow him to feel your unconditional love and let him see that baby needs his mommy,” wrote another.

At Destiny Church, where police have parked their cars and organized rescue operations since Tuesday, services and activities have been canceled. But as yet more hours tick by without Ethan’s release, the church has repeated one tweet over and over.

#KEEPCALMANDWORSHIP, it says

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if that guy had beaten my dog to death, he wouldn't have been around to kidnap anyone.

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Ugh... What a nightmare. Sure hope the kid gets out of this alive, and doesn't have PTSD for the rest of his life.

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Ugh... What a nightmare. Sure hope the kid gets out of this alive, and doesn't have PTSD for the rest of his life.

yes. and likely his parents too.

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Neighbors have also accused Dykes of threatening to shoot their children and pets

It's best to avoid angry Dykes.Hopefully, a sniper puts an end to this menace.

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if that guy had beaten my dog to death, he wouldn't have been around to kidnap anyone.

:rolleyes:What a nightmare scenario for negotiators. :sadbanana:

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I was suprised I didn't see a thread on this yet. I feel so bag for the family going through this and the family of the bus driver who was shot. I am...happy seems like the wrong word...glad that he tried to stop the man from taking any kids. I just wish he didn't have to pay with his life.

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"We don't need gun control, we need Jesus," wrote one woman.

Why would someone feel the need to write this?

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"We don't need gun control, we need Jesus," wrote one woman.

Why would someone feel the need to write this?
Stupid people write stupid stuff all the time. Example.

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Neighbors have also accused Dykes of threatening to shoot their children and pets

It's best to avoid angry Dykes.Hopefully, a sniper puts an end to this menace.
He's in an underground bunker

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Neighbors have also accused Dykes of threatening to shoot their children and pets

It's best to avoid angry Dykes.Hopefully, a sniper puts an end to this menace.
He's in an underground bunker
Trick shot down the PVC pipe.Or when he surfaces. Even if he comes out with his hands up.

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"We don't need gun control, we need Jesus," wrote one woman.

Why would someone feel the need to write this?
Bible Belt. It's expected.

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Can't they pump carbon dioxide (or something) into the ventilation shaft to make him pass out??

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Can't they pump carbon dioxide (or something) into the ventilation shaft to make him pass out??

That's actually not a horribly bad idea. Seriously.Although they would have to be precise on when to enter and when not to enter. Not knowing when it would take effect so they could save the boy first.

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Can't they pump carbon dioxide (or something) into the ventilation shaft to make him pass out??

Problem being they don't know how big the entire bunker is or what kind of setup he has inside. Makes it awfully hard to make any move as long as there's a glimmer of hope things could end peacefully.

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Love how the nuts are claiming that Dykes and the kid are fakes so they can come and take your guns

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I just can't imagine being the parent of the child in this situation. It makes me sick just thinking of how they must feel!

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I haven't read much about this story - only what I saw in the OP's article above - and I have heard very little on the radio, which is constantly tuned to news channels in my office. But what kind of end game is this guy looking for? What's he holding out for? Does he think they're going to give him a G4 to go to Cuba or something?

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Love how the nuts are claiming that Dykes and the kid are fakes so they can come and take your guns

During the Bush years, the conspiracy was that Bush masterminded 9/11 so he could go to war and get some oil.During the Obama years, the conspiracy is that Obama is sending out manchurian candidates to shoot people so he can take away our guns.Always going to be nuts that believe in stupid conspiracy theories.

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This morning's update.Still makes no sense but looks like he targeted the bus driver

The two men had an encounter the day before the siege, a neighbor said. Kelly Miller, who lives next door to Dykes, told NBC station WSFA that Dykes boarded Poland’s bus Monday and spoke with him. She did not know what was said.On Tuesday morning, Miller said, the driver gave Dykes a gift of eggs and marmalade to thank him for clearing off the driveway where the bus had to turn around.Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."Hours later, Miller heard shots and screams.

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This morning's update.Still makes no sense but looks like he targeted the bus driver

The two men had an encounter the day before the siege, a neighbor said. Kelly Miller, who lives next door to Dykes, told NBC station WSFA that Dykes boarded Poland’s bus Monday and spoke with him. She did not know what was said.On Tuesday morning, Miller said, the driver gave Dykes a gift of eggs and marmalade to thank him for clearing off the driveway where the bus had to turn around.Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."Hours later, Miller heard shots and screams.

Maybe in some cultures eggs and marmalade are the equivalent to putting a horses head in a person's bed? Or maybe this guy is just plain nuts.

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This morning's update.Still makes no sense but looks like he targeted the bus driver

The two men had an encounter the day before the siege, a neighbor said. Kelly Miller, who lives next door to Dykes, told NBC station WSFA that Dykes boarded Poland’s bus Monday and spoke with him. She did not know what was said.On Tuesday morning, Miller said, the driver gave Dykes a gift of eggs and marmalade to thank him for clearing off the driveway where the bus had to turn around.Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."Hours later, Miller heard shots and screams.

Maybe in some cultures eggs and marmalade are the equivalent to putting a horses head in a person's bed? Or maybe this guy is just plain nuts.
You do know the difference between Jam and Marmalade, right?

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Perhaps most disconcertingly, Dykes’s motive for the kidnapping is still unclear.

Can we just assume it's so law enforcement doesn't shut down ventilation in his bunker and kill him? Or do the CO2 trick listed earlier?

At one point, he allowed officers to pass down coloring books and medicine for the boy, identified only as Ethan, who reportedly suffers from Asperger’s syndrome and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. According to the Montgomery Advertiser, his sixth birthday is next week.

I cannot imagine what's going to happen to a kid with Asperger's syndrome even when/if he survives all of this. Kid's parents must be losing their minds.

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This morning's update.Still makes no sense but looks like he targeted the bus driver

The two men had an encounter the day before the siege, a neighbor said. Kelly Miller, who lives next door to Dykes, told NBC station WSFA that Dykes boarded Poland’s bus Monday and spoke with him. She did not know what was said.On Tuesday morning, Miller said, the driver gave Dykes a gift of eggs and marmalade to thank him for clearing off the driveway where the bus had to turn around.Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."Hours later, Miller heard shots and screams.

Maybe in some cultures eggs and marmalade are the equivalent to putting a horses head in a person's bed? Or maybe this guy is just plain nuts.
You do know the difference between Jam and Marmalade, right?
Marmalade has pieces of fruit in it?

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This morning's update.Still makes no sense but looks like he targeted the bus driver

The two men had an encounter the day before the siege, a neighbor said. Kelly Miller, who lives next door to Dykes, told NBC station WSFA that Dykes boarded Poland’s bus Monday and spoke with him. She did not know what was said.On Tuesday morning, Miller said, the driver gave Dykes a gift of eggs and marmalade to thank him for clearing off the driveway where the bus had to turn around.Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."Hours later, Miller heard shots and screams.

Maybe in some cultures eggs and marmalade are the equivalent to putting a horses head in a person's bed? Or maybe this guy is just plain nuts.
You do know the difference between Jam and Marmalade, right?
Marmalade has pieces of fruit in it?
No...

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You do know the difference between Jam and Marmalade, right?

Marmalade has pieces of fruit in it?
No...
You can't marmalade your #### down....

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You do know the difference between Jam and Marmalade, right?

Marmalade has pieces of fruit in it?
No...
You can't marmalade your #### down....
This is the correct answer...

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Miller, whose sons Jessie and Jackson were allowed to leave the bus before the shooting, told the station that Dykes called her father to the property fence shortly afterward and gave him Poland’s gifts, saying: "Here. I don't want this."

Jessie, Jackson now part of the story.And why are violent people always attacking Poland?

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Perhaps most disconcertingly, Dykes’s motive for the kidnapping is still unclear.

Can we just assume it's so law enforcement doesn't shut down ventilation in his bunker and kill him? Or do the CO2 trick listed earlier?

At one point, he allowed officers to pass down coloring books and medicine for the boy, identified only as Ethan, who reportedly suffers from Asperger’s syndrome and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. According to the Montgomery Advertiser, his sixth birthday is next week.

I cannot imagine what's going to happen to a kid with Asperger's syndrome even when/if he survives all of this. Kid's parents must be losing their minds.
As a parent of a child with Asperger's, I cant imagine what these parents are going through. But I know with my son he has a tendency to gravitate toward certain things. Earlier reports indicated that the child was watching television. If that is the case, he may be watching TV and be largely unaware that he is in a dangerous situation. My son locks on to things and can often be oblivious to all that is going on around him. Still a traumatizing situation but perhaps somewhat shielded. I hope they rescue him soon.

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Unbelievable that this is still going on. It's been a couple of days now. Some negotiator/psychologist must be able to talk this guy down from whatever crazy cloud he's on, no?

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Surprised this isn't a 20+ page thread. I guess there's a lack of new news, though :(

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How is he still awake?

Hmmm ... come to think of it ... Dykes DOES have to eventually sleep, right?

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I keep clicking this thread hoping to see an update along the lines of "The boy has been rescued, and returned to his family"

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How is he still awake?

Hmmm ... come to think of it ... Dykes DOES have to eventually sleep, right?
He's armed, he's already murdered a bus driver, and there's pretty much nothing stopping him from offing the kid if he feels things have gone south. Is it possible to do? Yes, but it's inadvisable, because nobody knows how or where the guy sleeps down there, or even a layout of the place.

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He's armed, he's already murdered a bus driver, and there's pretty much nothing stopping him from offing the kid if he feels things have gone south. Is it possible to do? Yes, but it's inadvisable, because nobody knows how or where the guy sleeps down there, or even a layout of the place.

I'm not thinking they bring out the excavators and attempt to storm the place while Dykes sleeps. I'm thinking that as soon as he falls into deep sleep, start quietly pumping in ... something ... that would render Dykes (and the boy :( ) unconscious.Dunno ... just have no faith that Dykes is going to turn himself in peacefully.

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Drop poisoned whiskey down the pipe.Or rattlesnakes.

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He's armed, he's already murdered a bus driver, and there's pretty much nothing stopping him from offing the kid if he feels things have gone south. Is it possible to do? Yes, but it's inadvisable, because nobody knows how or where the guy sleeps down there, or even a layout of the place.

I'm not thinking they bring out the excavators and attempt to storm the place while Dykes sleeps. I'm thinking that as soon as he falls into deep sleep, start quietly pumping in ... something ... that would render Dykes (and the boy :( ) unconscious.Dunno ... just have no faith that Dykes is going to turn himself in peacefully.
I have my doubts that he will as well, but there is also the problem of overdosing and killing the boy. Also, if the substance they use has an odor, that may set the guy off and he could react violently to that as well. In any case, I'm sure they're exploring options to get the boy out as unhurt as possible.

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