I was wondering the same thing. The disease/stench has to be awful.
Of course, being frozen might help.
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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (13 Viewers)
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Of course, being frozen might help.
FreeBaGeL
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It would have been fine, even really good, for a summer blockbuster popcorn flick. But that's kind of the point. The big draw of GoT was that it wasn't just some popcorn flick or network drama. It was unpredictable, with morally grey characters, where anyone could die at any time. It is far from that now.
What we've essentially gotten in 8 seasons of GoT is 6 seasons of The Wire followed by 2 seasons of Transformers.
And let's not pretend that this episode wasn't basically a Transformers movie. Fast action that's difficult to see what exactly is going on.
As a 4th Lord of the Rings movie it would have been great. All it was missing was a few of the main characters jovially counting as they slayed
beer 30
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Eh, maybe so and if true, then Karmapolice & I would be pointing fingers at all of you from the corner
My point of contention is GRRM, had he finished the books, would have scripted a much different ending to last nights episode IMO. I can't know that for sure and frankly the fat ******* would deny it now but I don't he spares half the people that make it out.
Foosball God
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Overall I thought it was awesome, some really great scenes that have already been mentioned. My only real nits to pick are that I think so many major characters still being alive is a bit cheap, Arya's library scene didn't do much for me although maybe it was to further humanize her by showing her scared. Then Bran warging into the ravens doesn't seem to have been to any purpose, but maybe something else will show up from that later.
fruity pebbles
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Always thought I’d like the show even better if the whole white walker angle was taken out completely. Night King going out in kind of a whimper reinforced that. It was never well explained, it took up a lot of time, the Bran thing was always kind of dumb. I don’t know....the chess playing for the throne was always by far my favorite part. I’m glad they dispatched this part of the show in episode 3 so we can get to the part I really care about.
Hawks64
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Because we've seen the Dothraki fight in large battles differently right? Oh....wait. That's how they have always fought.
zoonation
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chet
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Don't know of this was answered but I think it's because Jon was raised from the dead before and they view him as one of them.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Also.... was anybody else creeped out by the Arya sex scene? Felt like I was walking in on one of my kids having sex. I'll always see her as the little girl no matter how many she kills.
Punxsutawney Phil
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Hawks64
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bigmarc27
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I’m sure it would have been different but the fat #### stopped. He tangled a big knot together and then left it to others to solve his problems. If he finishes the books (doubtful) he gets to audience test endings through the show and can pick and chooseEh, maybe so and if true, then Karmapolice & I would be pointing fingers at all of you from the corner
My point of contention is GRRM, had he finished the books, would have scripted a much different ending to last nights episode IMO. I can't know that for sure and frankly the fat ******* would deny it now but I don't he spares half the people that make it out.
He knew what he was doing. It was already too big for him and became bigger with the show. Instead of working on finishing an ambitious story, he sat around jerking off and let the show do their best. Now he can take what he wants and discard what others disliked. It’s not his story anymore.
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fruity pebbles
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supermike80
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I just remember the endless tag line "Winter is coming" and to that now I say...so?
Bobcat10
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Put me somewhere in the middle. Not complaining even though some of what I write may sound like it. Super intense and my heart was racing like mad. Glad to be getting back to the game of thrones though.
I have no problems with who died/who didn't die. I think I'd be much more satisfied if a couple WW had died during the battle after being hunted down by some of the main characters that survived. We're shown again that the wights are basically unstoppable, which led to some really strange (maybe lazy) escape scenes over the course of the hour imo. We know the WW were not always with the NK (who was mostly seen on his dragon or solo on the ground until he got near Bran). Would have been nice to see the underdog fighter who's getting rocked land a couple crosses during the battle to see some of the wights fall giving the ground forces a little breathing room/regroup time. Would have made the entire episode more believable without taking away from the NK perishing in the end making the entire army fall.
I want to rewatch for several reasons.
The look on Bran's face at the very beginning when he rolls past Tyrion is awesome!
The dragon battles - hard to tell what was going on, like when the NK fell, and if a dragon wasn't spitting something from it's mouth it was hard for me to tell them apart.
Beric - miraculously made it to the room with Arya and the Hound to die. Did not rewind it, but seemed like he should not have come close to this and the Hound going back to escort him doesn't make any sense because Beric was blocking the wights.
Lady Mormont - that was awesome, want to see again. True to her word.
Grey Worm survived I think? That's one I'm surprised about.
Arya's journey through the battle, even the library scene. Showed all her learned skills in one episode. Missed the exact moment she lost Gendry's weapon, but while she was using it she was badass as usual.
Did Varys say anything (besides his crypt joke) of importance in the crypts? Did anyone really? Did that little girl who said she'd protect the crypts do anything? Want to watch those scenes more closely. Sansa/Tyrion was great.
Total side note - watching live I thought Arya dropped the dagger and Bran snagged it mid air for the kill.
I have no problems with who died/who didn't die. I think I'd be much more satisfied if a couple WW had died during the battle after being hunted down by some of the main characters that survived. We're shown again that the wights are basically unstoppable, which led to some really strange (maybe lazy) escape scenes over the course of the hour imo. We know the WW were not always with the NK (who was mostly seen on his dragon or solo on the ground until he got near Bran). Would have been nice to see the underdog fighter who's getting rocked land a couple crosses during the battle to see some of the wights fall giving the ground forces a little breathing room/regroup time. Would have made the entire episode more believable without taking away from the NK perishing in the end making the entire army fall.
I want to rewatch for several reasons.
The look on Bran's face at the very beginning when he rolls past Tyrion is awesome!
The dragon battles - hard to tell what was going on, like when the NK fell, and if a dragon wasn't spitting something from it's mouth it was hard for me to tell them apart.
Beric - miraculously made it to the room with Arya and the Hound to die. Did not rewind it, but seemed like he should not have come close to this and the Hound going back to escort him doesn't make any sense because Beric was blocking the wights.
Lady Mormont - that was awesome, want to see again. True to her word.
Grey Worm survived I think? That's one I'm surprised about.
Arya's journey through the battle, even the library scene. Showed all her learned skills in one episode. Missed the exact moment she lost Gendry's weapon, but while she was using it she was badass as usual.
Did Varys say anything (besides his crypt joke) of importance in the crypts? Did anyone really? Did that little girl who said she'd protect the crypts do anything? Want to watch those scenes more closely. Sansa/Tyrion was great.
Total side note - watching live I thought Arya dropped the dagger and Bran snagged it mid air for the kill.
McJose
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shadyridr
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ProstheticRGK
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supermike80
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zoonation
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supermike80
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McJose
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matuski
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You are screwed dude, I wouldn't bother watching it now.Dude if this is an End Game reference/spoiler...
A list to me is any actual Stark, Dany, Sam, the Lannister siblings and maybe a few others like the Hound/Mountain. Even the Hound is on the B side. Being B list isn’t bad but Theon is a sidekick to the Starks. Same as Jorah to Dany, Hodor to Bran, Tormund to Jon. Steve to Dany, Brienne to Jamie, etc. There’s a tier below that like Berric and the nights watch guy who did die. I listed Theon and Jorah because they are important but I was still shocked that none of the A listers died.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Theon would've been a big death years ago but he's been an afterthought on this show recently so I wouldn't characterize him as such anymore. Jorah is bigger IMO.
I don’t recall any wights exploding. I only ever remember WWs exploding into ice. All the wights I recall died like normal people with dragon glass. I think all dragon glass and valaryian steel does to them is sever the connection to their WW/NK and this they die because the body is already dead without the magic. The WWs/NK aren’t human, they are turned to ice so to speak so they go back to just ice with those weapons.
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Hawks64
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They still have 2 dragons, so unless the golden company is going to be super accurate with their dragon lances doesn't matter how many they have.
Pipes
Footballguy
Agreed. So glad they wrapped up the Night King thing so we have 3 episodes left of what we truly care about...The battle for the Iron Throne.
Bob Sacamano
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Appreciate that Tyrion's glass is overflowing.Mario Kart said:
Hawks64
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zoonation
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
Theon had entire storylines in multiple seasons dedicated directly to him and, aside from possibly Jamie, had the biggest redemptive story arc in the show.
Without question an A list character.
fruity pebbles
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Good stuff. Not sure how Beric made it out either. Shoulda been a Hodor moment. Agree, I had a hard time telling the dragons apart as well.
zoonation
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The giant is one example. There are several others. Aria’s twirling in front of Davis is another. Some explode, some disintegrate, some die like normal people, some even bleed.
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TobiasFunke
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I think people are conflating "main character" and "main character I like." Theon's story lines were consistently unpopular, but he got as much screen time as anyone. And he's a pseudo-Stark. He's the most important character they've killed off since probably the Red Wedding.
Mile High
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How fast does it for the golden company flip sides when dani and Jon ride to kings landing?
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
1 who cares about the books....meaninless.....not only that half of them wont be at the winterfell battle in the books.....brienne...pod....varys...tormund....the hound.....etc......Eh, maybe so and if true, then Karmapolice & I would be pointing fingers at all of you from the corner
My point of contention is GRRM, had he finished the books, would have scripted a much different ending to last nights episode IMO. I can't know that for sure and frankly the fat ******* would deny it now but I don't he spares half the people that make it out.
Gustavo Fring
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Hopefully Cersei kills everyone, starting with Tyrion and Jamie, and keeps the throne with Euron, so everyone in this thread #####ing about how no one dies gets what they asked for.
Thought last night's episode was great and was glad most of the champions made it through to fight another day. They are going to need them in the next battle, where they will likely start to bite the dust. I could see some of these champions dying versus a White Walker (whom never even fought) but those weak wights are supposed to take out some of the best fighters in Westeros? Give me a ####### break.
Thought last night's episode was great and was glad most of the champions made it through to fight another day. They are going to need them in the next battle, where they will likely start to bite the dust. I could see some of these champions dying versus a White Walker (whom never even fought) but those weak wights are supposed to take out some of the best fighters in Westeros? Give me a ####### break.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
What about this guy? Also, the whole Sept explosion was pretty big as well, though I guess you could say as a singular character that doesn't quite get there.
I think people are conflating "main character" and "main character I like." Theon's story lines were consistently unpopular, but he got as much screen time as anyone. And he's a pseudo-Stark. He's the most important character they've killed off since probably the Red Wedding.
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Waingro
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Oberyn wasn't a main character but was definitely a fan favorite. His death had the gut-punch kind of affect that I think folks were hoping for in this episode.
I think people are conflating "main character" and "main character I like." Theon's story lines were consistently unpopular, but he got as much screen time as anyone. And he's a pseudo-Stark. He's the most important character they've killed off since probably the Red Wedding.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Definitely some other important characters who died since the red wedding - just off the top of my head there's Joffrey, Margery and her mom, Hodor, Tywin, even the dragon. Joffrey was probably the biggest, like you said. But my guess is that Theon had far more screen time devoted to him and his narrative than any of them. He's been there since the first episode, although IIRC Joffrey was as well. He's connected to two different main story lines- the Stark children since he's sort of one of them and the Iron Islands power struggle.
Like I said, I think people are discarding his death because they didn't find him all that compelling. People probably tuned out a bit when they would cut to his story lines. I know I did. They've been probably the least popular material on the show for a while. But the fact that he kinda sucked doesn't make him less of a main character. It did probably make us care less about his death than the show would have liked, but that's a broader criticism than just "no main characters died."
Thunderlips
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I do think that, if the book followed the exact same plot that led up to this battle.....Martin would have killed a couple of the Mid Majors who didn't really have an reason to be in the story anymore (Brienne/Tormund/Pod/Davos/Varys/Gilly/Grey Worm/Missandi/Sam)....but I don't think he's killing any of the Big Boys. Then he would have probably introduced several new characters to fill their roles (Hey Guys!....Here's "His Enemies #### Shrink In Fear.....the new defacto leader of the remnants of the Free Folk).Eh, maybe so and if true, then Karmapolice & I would be pointing fingers at all of you from the corner
My point of contention is GRRM, had he finished the books, would have scripted a much different ending to last nights episode IMO. I can't know that for sure and frankly the fat ******* would deny it now but I don't he spares half the people that make it out.
Just easier to keep the mid majors in their roles until the end.
