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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
I hate when a show has someone act out of character to advance the plot or for cinematic effect.
That was Arya hiding like a little #####. It doesn’t fit who she had become. Nor does it fit her actions later in the episode.
Same with useless charge.
Writer: “Hey guys....you know what will be a cool visual?”
Assistant: ”uh boss....they would never do that, it is lunacy”
Writer: “The audience will suspend disbelief on a show with dragons and zombies”
That was Arya hiding like a little #####. It doesn’t fit who she had become. Nor does it fit her actions later in the episode.
Same with useless charge.
Writer: “Hey guys....you know what will be a cool visual?”
Assistant: ”uh boss....they would never do that, it is lunacy”
Writer: “The audience will suspend disbelief on a show with dragons and zombies”
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
So how do you they clean up about 250k dead bodies in Winterfell?
the moops
Footballguy
Seemed to me that she got spooked and hurt a bit when she got knocked down. She looked around and saw how ####ed everyone was. Then it took the red witch to set her straight again with her little pep talk
bigmarc27
Footballguy
They said as much in the after episode. For the first time in years she was shook and had to revert back to her trainings - that’s what the entire scene in the library was about, her starting back from step 1 how to be stealthy and moving forward from there.
culdeus
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Instead of calling sacrificial lambs “red shirts” is it now okay to say “Dothraki?”
Too soon?
Too soon?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
arya is an assassin. thats who she is. who do you think she is?
yes she can fight well but her true talent is killing from the shadows. would have been really corny to have her just battle the NK and defeat him in a straight up duel
The Noid
Avoid me!
To those that think we don't know what the NK's "deal" was, I thought last week they basically told us: NK wants to wipe out humanity (he was created, after all, to fight/kill "man"), and was after Bran because he knows all of history, including things that are a threat to the NK (like how to kill him, etc.)
And also corny if she showed up out of nowhere to kill the NK without his higher ranked officers or any of the other undead warriors seeing her.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That makes sense on why he wants to kill Bran. Of course the whole he wants to wipe out humanity doesn’t other than we just have to buy into that he’s pure evil but that’s fine.To those that think we don't know what the NK's "deal" was, I thought last week they basically told us: NK wants to wipe out humanity (he was created, after all, to fight/kill "man"), and was after Bran because he knows all of history, including things that are a threat to the NK (like how to kill him, etc.)
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I noticed that the giant that killed Lady Mormont was already missing an eye, suggesting it was the reanimated corpse of Wun-Wun, the hero of the battle of the bastards.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Complaining about how main characters survive is kind of stupid.
Nobody wrote a story about Steve the dothraki screamer who charged the dead with a flaming curvy sword thing and got killed right away.
Why would they?
The fact that the characters you know tend to survive is specifically because if they didn't survive they wouldn't be worth knowing about.
And if this is the show you're going to complain about not killing enough main characters, you're just being ridiculous.
Amazing to me that people watched that episode and complained afterwards. Was it perfect? Maybe not. But it was really, really well done.
Nobody wrote a story about Steve the dothraki screamer who charged the dead with a flaming curvy sword thing and got killed right away.
Why would they?
The fact that the characters you know tend to survive is specifically because if they didn't survive they wouldn't be worth knowing about.
And if this is the show you're going to complain about not killing enough main characters, you're just being ridiculous.
Amazing to me that people watched that episode and complained afterwards. Was it perfect? Maybe not. But it was really, really well done.
the moops
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I think she is a bad motha trucka who just single handedly destroyed about 30 undead minutes prior.
Who later in the show will jump into a group of the scariest dudes in the world and take down their leader.
The look of terror on her face as she was hiding was comical. Maybe it was overacting.
The Arya they have shown us would be assessing the room, looking for a weapon and planning how she was going to kill them all.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I’m not sure there’s any rhyme or reason to it. They seemingly equipped their army with dragon glass weapons and flaming swords, but it’s still unclear how that helps against the wights if at all. In some cases they disintegrate/explode, in others they sort of die “normally”, and, strangest of all, there’s the one Arya killed in the library that bled profusely when she stabbed it in the neck.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Pretty small group of Ironborne compated to what her uncle hasEveryone is forgetting about Yara and the Ironborn.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I don’t think so. They showed a couple giants walking with the dead from past the wall. Maybe it was an homage to Wun-Wun, but I’m assuming he was burned back then. A little too much meat for burial. Heck, they probably had to burn him in Winterfell instead of dragging him around. Also, that was well before the NK reanimated anyone so it would be bad form for it to be him since he died in Winterfell.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Dragon glass works on all form of the dead. It’s able to kill the wights but they just die as if they were human again. The blood was a bit weird, but I guess it uncongeals or something once they become “human” and die. The WWs turn to shards of ice when stabbed with it or valaryian steel.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
The episode with the dead/white walkers that occurred during the night during was so dark.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I think only WW shatter with dragon glass. Wites just die normally even though they are already dead.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I'm having a hard time keeping my white walkers, wights and plain old crackers distinguished. But...I do believe they've only shown WWs getting frost exploded by vallerian steel or dragon glass. I don't recall them showing non WWs being attacked with them. But strange that the WWs end up being so easy yo kill compared to their walking dead cronies.
And yeah... That scene in the library was straight out of TWD.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think there’s always a natural inclination to look for and discuss the plot holes and weaknesses in a show, even while agreeing it was an incredible, awesome production. Otherwise, we have a completely uninteresting love-fest in here. I personally love the series and the episode, but I still enjoy raising questions about things they missed on, for whatever reason. It’s like people trying to find plot holes in The Godfather, the greatest movie ever made, for the past 40 years.
Regarding the deaths last night - I’m not complaining, but I do think they kind of did a bait/switch on the viewers. One of the unique features of this show when they had the source material was the author’s willingness to kill off major characters unexpectedly. They spent most of episode 2 signaling deaths of major characters, but only delivered on two b-listers.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Good point.
Okay. Looks like all that dragon poop will be great fertilizer for the crops.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Wait- is that the guy she was schtupping? Mercenary types back from breaking of chains days? Totally forgot about them- waht happened with that crew- she didn't need to pay them any more with the unsullied on her crew so they bailed?
The Noid
Avoid me!
Never thought we'd be at the point where fans of a show were complaining/disappointed that not enough main characters died, but here we are!
El Floppo
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
He had been saving everyone's ### for years...now it showed even he couldn't do it...
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think people say this because they are looking for arguments to make in support of their position that the show hasn't been the same since it got ahead of the books, and the whole "anyone can die at any moment" thing was a big theme in those days. But it hasn't really been that way since the Red Wedding, presumably because they didn't need to do it to move the story forward . They haven't really killed off one of the ten or so most important characters in terms of time spent with them since then. Sure, lots of other important characters we spent a good amount of time with have died since then ... but three hugely important characters we spent a lot of time with died in this episode too. Theon is at least as important to the story as Joffrey or Margery or Tywin or Hodor or whoever else you might be thinking of.
I thought the only truly crappy part was the dragon action. And the ending was tremendous. I don't think any show has earned a moment as much as this one earned the Arya moment. They spent countless hours over many years turning Arya into a legendary assassin, and while I don't know if they had this purpose in mind that whole time it fit very well with the narrative. Hell they probably spent more time building up the dagger than most shows/movies spend building up the hero. IMO nailing the landing like that makes up for some of the sins during the battle scenes.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I would have liked more WW action I guess. Those dudes pretty much just stood in the back. I was expecting the valerian steel and dragon glass to come into play a bit more, given the build up on that (not complaining love the show!!)
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Arya showed off that trick or learned it a long time in one of the episodes (though I can't remember which one), it was consistent.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah that was my biggest annoyance with the episode. Cool scene, but I had just happened to watch the episode from season six where Jamie Lannister describes the Dothraki as the best fighters he had ever seen. They get even more enhanced then with flaming swords. Then they’re basically sent forward on a suicide mission and all die within fifteen seconds?
beer 30
Footballguy
While visually I loved the effect, strategically I think it was about as stupid a move as you could make. They had two of the best armies in the world in the Dothraki & Unsullied and they wasted one in the first minute of the battle. Didn't make any sense to me but again, the visual was fantastic.I mean, I don’t want to nerd out on this too much, but that’s not how cavalry, especially light cavalry, were used at all. They would have been spread out on the flanks and circling around the rear if possible. This was like the Battle of the Bastards where they had the commander(s) use some kind of dumb strategies to get the shots they want, and it’s a fantasy TV show so I’m not going to begrudge them that. But my wife did have to put up with an earful about it
The whole direwolf thing has been a disappointment and frnakly, as much as I'd like to see them used, just kill them off and move on. Again, stupid to send him out in the vanguard.
My opinion, the NK was flexing a little bit. Those wights were controlled by him and he was proving a point to Jon that his efforts were futile and at any time the NK could really bring the pain if he wanted to. Why he didn't? #### if I know, I'll attribute it to the James Bond scenario. If you want to kill the man, kill him. Don't set up some intricate plot that requires 10 things to happen to drag his death out just kill him.
I laughed really hard
#winner I look for Daario Naharis to make an apperance in the next 2 episodes riding to his queen's defense. The North might have 5,000 soldiers left? Optimistically? The other great Sellsword army has been bought so there is only one army left in the world. Has to be the Second Sons coming to the rescue
