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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)
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TheFanatic
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It was in her contract that she would not be in any scenes with him. If you recall, when team Dany meets with Cersei in the decayed dragon pit, Bronn grabs Pod and says, "Alright then, let's go get a pint, shall we," and the two wander off right before all the major players come together. That's because he couldn't be on set with her.
Seems a little unprofessional to me. Maybe Headey isn't acting as well as everyone thinks and maybe she's just channeling her inner {female dog} that comes so natural to her?
otb_lifer
Footballguy
so you're speaking from a vantage point of knowing all the inner machinations of their relationship? we are to believe it's all Lena's fault because she had the clause? yeah, don't think it's that cut and dried.
i know she is very close with both Clarke and Dinklage offscreen ... those two are pretry laid back and fun loving folk irl ... doubt they'd maintain such relationships with Lena if she were the mega-#####.
how did it go down when she gave the crossbow to Bronn to kill her brothers? I honestly can't remember....they had to be in the same room for that, right?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I'm not saying who's fault it was they broke up. I'm just saying it seems a bit unprofessional to have it written into the contract that she is never in a scene with the guy. These people are actors. If she can pretend to be a queen in a world with dragons, she can pretend to be a professional around an ex boyfriend for a few scenes. That's all.
ETA - for the record, I'm assuming Bronn was the complete dill hole when they broke up and that's why she has the clause in there. I just think it's unprofessional of her to put that clause in.
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TheFanatic
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otb_lifer
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if you stop to think about this deeper you'd realize that what you're saying actually defends Headey's actions ... e.g. -
i'm sure the producers voiced the exact same sentiment to her as you laid out when she presented that demand - ergo, methinks she has dirt of an egregious manner on Flynn which they saw grievous enough to acquiesce granting her "no scenes w/Bronn" rider.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And wouldn't that scene been much more powerful if Cersei herself gave those orders? To have Tyrion killed is one thing, but to order the death of Jamie? That would've been huge, but that clause robbed us of that scene.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Now who's in someone's head. I don't think it's dirt at all. Just a bad break up and she's still pissed about it. And I'm not defending her actions at all. I wish I could've seen a scene where she gives Bronn the crossbow and tells him to murder both Tyrion and Jamie which would've been quite powerful. Instead we get Qyburn doing it. That robbed us of what would've been something great.
otb_lifer
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not buying any of this #### for a minute ... not once have you even allowed that Flynn may actually bear some culpability here ... #### that, keep your head in the sand.
oh, and the crossbow scene, ya mean the one where the payoff was Bronn somehow gaining unfettered access to those two in a heavily fortified area? the one that fizzled the #### out and went absolutely nowhere?
and, btw, Qyburn was her flunkie ... the Queen need not consort wif a sell sword to order a hit - she has minions like Q to do that legwork - didn't bother me at all.
But they did give us b00bies instead. If I'm not mistaken the only naked scene in the entire season aside from Arya's sideboob. So, there's that.
Ditkaless Wonders
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Just yesterday realized Lena Headey was the Mom in the first Purge movie. Nice legs in that movie.
otb_lifer
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otb_lifer
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for such a screen name you sure sound like a 'stick up the ###' kinda guy
c'mon, Beer ... lighten up - lunch time brews on me, whaddya say?
mozzy84
Footballguy
Meh its not like her and Bronn ever had a relationship on the show (at least that I can remember). Makes sense Q would give the hit orders...
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Did you even notice during the show without knowing the actors dated? Seems nitpicky.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
BINGO!
oh, and IN before the incoming " they had no relationship on the show because mega ##### Headey refused to do scenes with Flynn!!!!!!" shtick.
YAHTZEE!
not like she ceased doing scenes with Jaime or Tyrion or Tywin ... ya know? Bronn was small potatoes in the Queen's vista.
TheFanatic
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ahem, go back and read the post above this one? I edited it over an hour ago. In fact, I was editing it when you made your comment because I got the alert that you had posted while I was typing.
I get that you are all team cersei, but we're talking about the actors, not the characters.
Also, the scene I'm talking about was when Qyburn gave her the crossbow and told Bronn to kill the brothers. Sure she has lackies but that request would've been made by the queen had the actress not had the clause in her contract. And having Cersei say she wants Jamie dead is way more powerful than some lackie and been a better scene.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
ok, fair enough
look, there's tons to nitpick about s7&8, don't think anyone's losing sleep over the omission you cite, what with all the other massive action thrown at us ... and weren't you up in this thread a week or so ago telling folks who were nitpicking to get over it? "physician, heal thyself"
btw, do we know Cersei actually mandated those hits? Qyburn was a devious mutha, remember, he was left to die at the hands of the Lannister army, it was Robb Stark and his wife who saved his life and nursed him back to health ...
i mean, Cersei had Tyrion dead to rights during s8e4, at the gates of KL, and she nary batted an eyelash of surprise that the sell sword failed in his quest -
dunno, if i'm wrong here plz advise ...
beer 30
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I think if you look back over my years of work here you'll see that I am anything but. Ignore that 12-13 month ban mixed in there someplace. I got counseling and I'm much better now.for such a screen name you sure sound like a 'stick up the ###' kinda guy
c'mon, Beer ... lighten up - lunch time brews on me, whaddya say?
And always up for lunch brews
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
otb_lifer
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Mrs. Rannous
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Bob Sacamano
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Exactly. How much did Cersei and Bronn even interact on the show in the early seasons? Maybe once or twice, from what I remember. Not a big deal at all.
Nathan R. Jessep
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comfortably numb
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Everything but keeping Dany a face is great. I really do think the heel turn was brilliant.....just not executed properly for most.
Ghost Rider
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That ending would have been okay, but Dany getting pregnant and having Jon's child and then Cersei having lied to Jaime about being pregnant sounded too soap opera-ish. While I am someone who wish Dany would have not turned like she did and ultimately ended up on the throne at the end, the Starks winning the Game of Thrones was probably the right way to end it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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I always thought cersei and danny might have died giving birth...like their moms....Ghost Rider said:
bostonfred
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I totally disagree.
Littlefinger didn't know it was arya.
If he did he'd have capitalized on it in some way. That's who littlefinger is.
The whole point of that scene is that she's in maximum danger, and we see glimpses of who she's going to become.
She leaves king's landing as a girl, dressed as a boy, hiding the fact that she's one of the most wanted individuals in westeros.
Tywin noticed right away that she's a girl, and figures out that she's high born by the way she says my lady instead of m'lady. She pulls the my father was a stonemason and my mother worked for a lady thing. She even has a great move where she says her mother taught her how to speak proper... then immediately corrects herself and says properly. That was her beginning to learn how to play the game of faces.
That's when jackin hagar offers her 3 names. Look at who she picked. Not tywin. Not joffrey, who had her father killed. She didn't get revenge. She made selfless choices. The tickler, because he was torturing people to death. The guy who was going to report her to tywin because she was trying to help robb. And the guards to help her friends escape. All of her choices helped people who were in danger. The opposite of her choosing merin trant over the gambler.
And the scene with littlefinger was the most difficult test. He was one of the most cunning spy masters alive, suspected something was off, and she had no choice but to be in the room with him while he tried to catch a glimpse of her face.
Compare that scene with her tip toeing through a library full of wights later, and you see she's always has this uncanny ability to move around without being noticed. It's part of what made her an ideal assassin.
People complained about arya killing the night king and not using her faceless man skills to kill cersei. But i think they're missing the point. She did use the faceless man skills to kill frey. The guy who betrayed her family more than anyone. She used her stealth that we saw with her learning from cats and overhearing varys - someone else who should have been very difficult to spy on- to sneak past the wights and white walkers and get close to the night king. Even back in episode 1.1 when bran is practicing with the bow and an arrow suddenly hits center target from out of nowhere. She used her fighting skills that we saw with the waif and brienne to finish the job, but it was her stealth that made her able to do it.
And after all she learned from the hound, the last lesson was to go home and not let revenge consume her like it had done to him.
Would i like to have seen her wear another face? Sure, if it was a slow, methodical assassination. But her arc was one of the best prepared in the show, and that littlefinger scene was a prime example of who she was becoming.
jdoggydogg
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A thought on fan outrage and nitpicking art:
It's ok if you don't like something. But consider the effort that goes into the films and music that you listen to. Dissecting the minutiae of something to point out every single flaw is ironic, as almost all great art contains flaws. Bizarre that consumers of art believe they're better artists than the creatives that spawned the media they purport to have loved. I'm not saying that fans are devoid of talent. My son showed me a 26 minute YouTube that was solely a critique of flaws in Fallout '76. It has 4.8 million views. In 2019, creating & uploading content has never been easier. I think this is leading to the devaluation of real art.
Really, the least interesting thing anyone can say is, "I didn't like it."
It's ok if you don't like something. But consider the effort that goes into the films and music that you listen to. Dissecting the minutiae of something to point out every single flaw is ironic, as almost all great art contains flaws. Bizarre that consumers of art believe they're better artists than the creatives that spawned the media they purport to have loved. I'm not saying that fans are devoid of talent. My son showed me a 26 minute YouTube that was solely a critique of flaws in Fallout '76. It has 4.8 million views. In 2019, creating & uploading content has never been easier. I think this is leading to the devaluation of real art.
Really, the least interesting thing anyone can say is, "I didn't like it."
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Did you watch the Behind The Scenes documentary? I thought it was really illuminating to see the people who worked, usually under strain, to help make that show. In really thankless jobs.
Which, in my opinion, makes how shoddily the producers and writers handled this season all the more worse. Imagine people who tirelessly build a ship, take care of it in-between voyages, and then the captains get sloppy and run it aground.
jdoggydogg
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Doc was great. But I don't concede the writing or producing was sloppy. I think it's easier to write one great episode (Red Wedding for example) than it is to finish out the series perfectly. The show made some mistakes, there's no doubt. I'm certain if the writers created 100 final seasons, someone would complain about every single iteration.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I concede that having a "satisfying" ending to a show like GOT is tougher to pull off than a good ending to a show with fewer characters, like "Breaking Bad" or "Veep", which had a really good final episode.
A lot of people, critics and fans, have been really dissatisfied with the show. I realize that's wholly subjective, but more people definitely crinkled up their noses at this season, and to some extent, the 7th season.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Here's the thing: when has this show ever cared about a satisfying ending? When The Viper fought The Mountain, we all wanted the same ending and the show didn't give it to us.
I agree with you to the extent that writers are never going to satisfy everyone with their plot decisions in how they wrap up a story. But I think the predominant complaints about Thrones aren’t so much about the overarching plot decisions as opposed to the process by which the show got there. Sure, a lot of people would have never been satisfied with the show ending with Bran on the Throne. It wasn’t my first choice either, but I would have been totally fine with it if they had laid the track for the show to get that point. The complaint that the show rushed through things like this (Dany’s heel turn being an even more egregious example) is, at least in my opinion, a more objective and reasonable basis for criticism than complaining about the substance of those plot outcomes.
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jdoggydogg
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