None_More_Black
Footballguy
Our league has played with real money blind bid for 10 years with 100 cap. It prevents stuff like this.
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CJ Anderson (1 Viewer)
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T J
Footballguy
I am/was the best team and got him because I had money left, but your argument is somewhat BS to me. I passed on a lot of guys over the course of the year and was kicking myself for not snagging someone but I held tight and was real fortunate I got him. There were three other teams that had more money left than I did, but they didn't pull the trigger. No clue why, but their loss. I went all in with the $200 I had left.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Fortunately I wouldn't have to play him unless he reaches our SuperBowl. Peyton owner picked him up, and has a slew of receivers too. I'm hoping it's a split backfield by then.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Today a CJ saved my life
Err fantasy season
Err fantasy season
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I face him next week in our league playoffs and I'm not looking forward to it at all. What he is doing right now, especially in a PPR is going to win some league titles for his owners (unfortunately not me).
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Agree, that argument is BS, it is just sour grapes. I always try to leave some left over in my $$$ waiver or try to save on waiver picks and get to the top of the waiver order to prevent things like this. I spent all I had left minus $2 on CJ. Lots of guys spend way too much too early on guys like Oliver that flash, but have Mathews coming back at some point. My RB2 in the league that I got CJ was a black hole from draft day with Gerhart/Bush/every Detroit/Jax RB except Robinson/Bell. Now, I have a three headed Morris, CJ and Crowell RB1/RB2 and my once weakness is now what helped me win 2 big games in a row and get the #1 see/bye.
My third leagues waiver wire sucks balls though. It is reset every week based on record. I started off 4-0, so I have literally never had a chance for any top waiver guys. It is a short bench (14 players on the roster with 9 starters), so really tough to carry gems that might break out, so waivers are that much bigger and it sucks knowing that you never have a chance. I won my division, but I know I could have a much better team if I had had even a chance on waivers. I have Gordon and Ingram on that team because I picked them up as soon as news broke/pre-injury return since I knew if they might do something, I had to pick them up early. I really want to change that league, because I usually draft well and that means I never have a chance for a guy like CJ because we can't stash anyone that isn't a viable backup/bye week replacement.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We don't bid on waivers, our waiver wire gets reset but NOT based on record, it gets reset based on use where the top spot is reset where the next team that held tight and didn't use their top position is rewarded and pushed to the top.
The argument that teams who do not suffer injuries and who already have good teams 'could' be a factor but ours is a loooooong standing dynasty league and very balanced record-wise so the only way to possibly get a leg-up is finding talent on the wire and holding onto a top wire position hoping the guy you blew your top position on was a C.J. Anderson-type talent.
I blew my top position earlier in the year on Kirk Cousins
but regained it and took a gamble on C.J. that has paid off. 
Its a gamble but stbugs is correct, NEVER have a wire that is reset each week based on record because THAT awards the worst owners and is complete and utter
A long time ago in a redraft work league we had wire reset weekly based on worst record and the guy with the worst record won it because he got to cherry pick the wire three weeks in a row whereas the owners who drafted the best teams were helpless. Never again.hardcoredx
Footballguy
There is no question he is top 5 till the rest of the season. The YAC mentioned earlier is impressive- we might have to back to the Clinton Portis days on that stat. He is now in the foster, forte, bell group going forward.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Averaging 165 yards from scrimmage in his four starts. And the last two of those were against Miami and KC.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
This shows C.J. is doing something unique while putting up special stats.
Then factor in the Broncos OC Adam Gase who is emphasizing the run.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peytons-Take-Run-game-up-a-notch/152f3ddb-c4ee-4023-9bcd-06f2c4dff806
For Denver to set a season high in run attempts two weeks in a row, the new focus that Gase has placed on the run at the exact same time their offensive line has gelled together and is blocking well, it all creates the perfect storm for C.J. Anderson who has fresh legs late in the year at the right time for fantasy playoffs.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
This tread can now be close.....CJ's a stud and will be in our starting lineup till the end of season.
JFS171
Footballguy
Such a kick in the balls here...
I held CJ last year the entire season; I held him all offseason; I held him the first 7 weeks of this season. Then after he was CLEARLY behind Hillman and Thompson with Ball returning in a couple weeks, I finally moved on. Our benches in my league aren't deep enough to carry non-factors forever. He explodes against the Raiders and I missed him on the wire by 3 spots in priority to one of only a handful of guys in the league to actually put in a claim (others though Ball/Hillman were returning, and it'd be a mess).
So after holding for his rookie year and the first half of this year, I cut him and lose him on waivers. Watching him do what I thought he'd do if he got a legit shot is just crushing. Hurts even more that he went to one of my primary rivals in the league, and a guy that's a legit contender.
Just crushing to see this.
I held CJ last year the entire season; I held him all offseason; I held him the first 7 weeks of this season. Then after he was CLEARLY behind Hillman and Thompson with Ball returning in a couple weeks, I finally moved on. Our benches in my league aren't deep enough to carry non-factors forever. He explodes against the Raiders and I missed him on the wire by 3 spots in priority to one of only a handful of guys in the league to actually put in a claim (others though Ball/Hillman were returning, and it'd be a mess).
So after holding for his rookie year and the first half of this year, I cut him and lose him on waivers. Watching him do what I thought he'd do if he got a legit shot is just crushing. Hurts even more that he went to one of my primary rivals in the league, and a guy that's a legit contender.
Just crushing to see this.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
um its a strategy to save you blind bid bucks, not sure what you guys are bellyaching about
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
This sounds EXACTLY like me. I bet the Broncos burned a lot of people with their depth chart management.
thatguy
Footballguy
I feel for you. Seems to be a lot of people who did this. I too have owned him in dynasty since last year preseason. Had decided I had waited long enough and CJ would be next to go. If he had blown up a week later he likely would have done it on the wire.
shadyridr
Footballguy
again the luck part is sometimes you cant save your bb money cuz of injuries and theres always some guy who doesn't bid on anyone all year. Sure you can still have the second most bb bucks left but he still has all of it left.
identikit
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Im not disagreeing that there is strategy in play with bb bucks but injuries are a huge factor as well.
Simple example... lets say you were a ball owner, he gets hurt, you blow a big chunk of money on hillman. Hillman pays off handsomely... until he gets hurt. Now hillman/ball owner can't afford obvious play in anderson. Was that his fault? Should he have been stashing 4 den rbs? Remember anderson was behind thompson before his breakout game too.
Simple example... lets say you were a ball owner, he gets hurt, you blow a big chunk of money on hillman. Hillman pays off handsomely... until he gets hurt. Now hillman/ball owner can't afford obvious play in anderson. Was that his fault? Should he have been stashing 4 den rbs? Remember anderson was behind thompson before his breakout game too.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah I get it, but so what? thems the breaks, what about the shark that burned his cash on adrian peterson?
It happens
shadyridr
Footballguy
i know. Just one of the minor annoyances of FF. I think someone else said luck is definitely a major factor.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah, my bad. Last in the league in yards/rush against. And Miami's mid-pack too. And Oakland's the best of the four. Go figure.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So is Hillman droppable or a hold?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Anderson's been so insanely good in the passing game that I could see the Broncos using Thompson and Ball to spell him more than Hillman. Someone's probably going to get some touches though -- I don't think they're going to keep giving him 25 per game if they can help it.
BlueBlazer05
Footballguy
This is probably more for the general Denver Broncos thread, but I'll say this here. What does the team do with their RB's going forward? All four will be 23 or 24 years old when next season starts. Anderson (restricted) and Hillman are free agents in 2016. Maybe they try to shop Hillman or Ball?
For the record, I personally don't have much stake in the Broncos backfield. Traded away Ball in two leagues and have Thompson in a dynasty, that's it. For redraft leagues it'd be nice to have clarity though.
For the record, I personally don't have much stake in the Broncos backfield. Traded away Ball in two leagues and have Thompson in a dynasty, that's it. For redraft leagues it'd be nice to have clarity though.
He is for me. I have Morris and Crowell as my only other legit (hopefully Buffalo was an outlier) RBs. I have a bye this week as the top seed in that league thanks in large part to CJ. Here's to CJ being the top RB the rest of the season or #2 to Morris!
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
According to Collinsworth last night, he spoke to the RB coach who said once Ball and Hillman are ready they will be playing too. He stated that Ball is the best pass protector, followed by Hillman.
What I took from it is that they like all 3, and all 3 will play to some degree. I think Anderson sees the early down work however. He's earned it.
Although there is something to be said for the Broncos using 6 OL the last 2 games, and not before...
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I completely get this but you have to look at C.J. Anderson and ask the question if this kid is special and has separated himself from the pack and I thought I saw that in the Oakland game a few weeks ago.
I avoided Denver and New England RBs like the plague before C.J. Anderson.
I got in a jam when Ahmad Bradshaw went down just as I noticed what I felt was a breakout game by C.J. against Oakland and it seems that was a special moment. Still won't touch New England RBs though. :X Belichick seems motivated to play the evil troll and screw the media and the fantasy community. He likes being dis-liked whereas John Fox has shown favoritism to players he is loyal to, who have proven themselves to him but he's got Peyton as his QB and Peyton likes C.J. so I think both of those guys are in his corner.
Going forward to next year? I might try to sell high especially if he continues to blow up into the post season where all fantasy eyes will be locked onto him and his price could go up.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
He's looked fantastic and probably has the feature role locked up.
But Hillman still brings a level of explosiveness in space that Anderson can't touch, and I suspect Hillman will also have a nice role when he returns. Anderson wouldn't have gotten this chance at all if Hillman hadn't hurt his foot. There were obviously yards that Anderson gets that Hillman wouldn't because of size, but there were also big plays available that Hillman may have hit on that Anderson doesn't have the speed for.
It's Ball who's in limbo, because he's the same type of runner that Anderson is and wasn't looking very good pre-injury.
But Hillman still brings a level of explosiveness in space that Anderson can't touch, and I suspect Hillman will also have a nice role when he returns. Anderson wouldn't have gotten this chance at all if Hillman hadn't hurt his foot. There were obviously yards that Anderson gets that Hillman wouldn't because of size, but there were also big plays available that Hillman may have hit on that Anderson doesn't have the speed for.
It's Ball who's in limbo, because he's the same type of runner that Anderson is and wasn't looking very good pre-injury.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Anderson more than doubles Hillmans per target production in the passing game so far.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Vic Lombardi, who is probably the most in tune local guy (maybe Klis?), laughed at this notion this morning and said he has no idea who Collinsworth supposedly talked to, but that it's CJ's job.ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Edit to add: I don't get when ppl say Hillman is so much more explosive than Anderson. I am not sure they have watched Hillman. Anderson has flashed more big play potential just this season than Hillman has his entire career imo.
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Made the playoffs in two really tight leagues largely because of Anderson. Both leagues have 8 teams finishing between 7-6 and 5-8 and he's given me just enough to finish 7-6 and sneak in.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
whats the time frame for a possible Hillman and/or Ball return??
I haven't heard anything specific, but if you were a purely cynical CJ owner you really couldn't hope for two better injuries. Foot sprains have a bad habit of lingering long past their initial diagnosis (see MJD, Murray). As for Ball, soft-tissue re-injuries are going to make any team super cautious.
Throw in the fact that the Broncos are planning on a long playoff run -- and of course CJ's performance as the starter -- and all the incentives are aligned for CJ to remain RB1 for the rest of the season.
Of course, as I said upthread, the way this year has gone I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the RBs on Denver's roster dropping a 25/160/3 by Week 16.
Same thing happen to me with a guy named " Foster". Feel your pain.Join the clubJFS171 said:
mr roboto
Footballguy
Probably not top 5 RB due to draft status and the fact he's only done it for a few games. Maybe top 10. Definitely top 15 if he keeps it up.
I wouldn't sell for anything less than a 1st plus something.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I am in this boat in a keep 2 leagueSame thing happen to me with a guy named " Foster". Feel your pain.Join the clubJFS171 said:
Drafted him this season held onto him until week 10. Dropped him to cover a bye with intentions on picking him back up the following week. I started Hillman that week. He got hurt and I was too low in the waiver wire order to pick CJ back up and the rest is history
I will make the playoffs but don't expect to make too much noise
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Classic hindsight being 20/20. You're right on Mathews lurking for Oliver but then again Oliver saved a few hides there for a couple of weeks and might have been worth the dough spent plus the thinking was he'd have a decent shot at playing the Danny Woodhead role, which was lucrative for PPR owners last year.stbugs said:
CJ wasn't really in the conversation for a long time this season...Ball started, the Hillman took over, then Thompson got a couple of TD vultures and CJ was nowhere to be found. He emerged once Ball and Hillman when down and Ball re-aggravating his groin injury helped cement his clear bellcow role.
It's good to try to keep a little FAAB to grab guys like this that emerge late but it's not always possible if a team is underperforming or hit with injuries early.
Same boat as I'm sure a lot are. It was not looking like he'd get his shot and it still took multiple injuries (and re-injuries) to get him this much love. As noted above, was one of the teams that was struggling and looking for any RB so I had to make moves and ended up using too much $ to reacquire.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Agreed.
If I were to bet on it, I'd say Ball won't be back for the rest of Fantasy season. His injury kept him out 5 weeks, then in his comeback game he immediately re-injured it without contact. He's missed 2 games since, so IF he follows the same recovery timetable he would be ready to go in week 17.
Hillman might be ready sooner, but as you said, foot sprains can linger and if he does see action there's a chance he might be limited.
