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In his post game presser Kubiak said he could have come back in. No injury at all.
Kubiak says he has a gear none of the other backs have.
There's more than a few folks who aren't as much down on CJ as convinced that the other RBs on the roster have been written off too quickly. Believing that Ball and Hillman are too talented to allow CJ to dominate the touches all season is enough to have serious doubts about CJ's current ADP. Ball had everything go wrong last spring and summer and tried to play hurt and Hillman brings a nice COP.
Additionally, there are legitimate questions about the Denver O-line this year and there is a long history of relatively unproven RBs who are hyped in the summer and then bust pretty badly as early round picks.
I didnt like Ball coming into the NFL, and that opinion was reinforced seeing him play in the NFL.
Lammey has been dead wrong about Bronco rbs and the direction that management went in the past.
Lammey's expertise at judging DEN RBs, among many others things NFL, has not exactly been laudable.
Billy Ball Thorton said:
biju said:
which is exactly why he's either a good value or going to ruin your draft.Sabertooth said:
Yeah, because the RB situation has always been crystal clear when Kubiak was HC in HOU and OC in DEN.
Wasn't it? I mean ... pretty much once a starter was named? Or were you not being facetious there?
And how many of those guys became the starter after beginning the camp looking at someone else listed above them on the depth chart?
Sure, I'll miss out on some guys. But that's what I'm looking for, there comes a point where you can't find those guys and you settle. But that's not in the first round.
I guess I'm not getting your point. Has Kubiak said anything to lead anyone to believe this is not CJ Anderson's job? Of course he will change the depth chart if he thinks someone else can produce better results. I don't know of a head coach at any level that WON'T do that.Bronco Billy said:
Yes. I know. The point is, that given Kubiak's history any RB on top of the depth chart at this point in the preseason is no lock to be his bellcow in the regular season. You know what got Terrell Davis his break? A huge hit on special teams in a preseason week 3 game. Until then he was just running with the pack at RB. Portis is the closest thing on that list to being a known quantity as a starting RB and it took a few weeks into the regular season before he actually took over the job.
OK ... Let me rephrase that. I got your point. I just don't think it's a good one. I was trying not to be rude. But then your response reminded me that was an unnecessary effort on this board.
Generally speaking in the Droughsn, Gary, Anderson years in Denver the team never told anyone outside of the organization who they had pegged as the starter and on the few occasions where they did seem to be clear about it an injury is what allowed another player to step into the role. It was incredibly frustrating.
Davis, Portis & Foster all had multiple seasons as the unquestioned #1 RB with Kubs. Gary & Slaton each had one season where they were the unquestioned starter going into the season but were injured.Bronco Billy said:
How quickly people forget FBGs climbing all over themselves to roster Quentin Griffin or Tatum Bell. Sure, it's easy when the guy has had a season proving himself to be a stud and a perfect fit for the offense like TD, Portis, and Foster did. But apparently it has been forgotten that for each of those studs, not one of them, when they went into the season that they broke out and grabbed the job as the #1 RB, was the starter going into the preseason.
Right ... and the same thing happened with Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and CJ Anderson last year. They were all a muddled mess until week 10 and then CJ "broke out". Just like TD and Portis and Foster. So take that break out season and couple it with the HC and starting QB/OC telling everyone he's there guy and you have a scenario more in line with the 2nd year of the backs you mentioned.
Agreed. There is always a risk of that with just about anyone ... especially when a new HC/OC comes in. However, I believe that risk is already baked into his ADP. Otherwise why would a RB that averaged the 2nd most fanasy points in the league when starting be taken in the bottom of the first round?
Haven't forgotten that at all, but we're talking about Kubiak here not Shanahan. It went pretty clearly from Davis to Gary to Portis to Anderson then Kubs left for Houston in 2006. Sure some people thought Quentin Griffin was going to be the guy in 2004 so I will concede some confusion there at the beginning of the season and many people foolishly chose to discount Anderson in 2005 (based on age and a shiny new rookie I imagine).
Absolutely agree that the possibility exists. But everyone should view Anderson as the unquestioned starter for a Gary Kubiak offense with Peyton Manning as his QB and draft accordingly. He may not pay off but that is a risk we run, even with proven players in their prime (e.g. Emmitt Smith & Curtis Martin in 1997).
I would agree that he's not Arian Foster but I would also point out that he's miles ahead of Montee Ball and a better feature back than Hillman. The one thing Kubiak has repeatedly shown is that he leans on a bellcow back for the vast majority of the work on all 3 downs. I would think the chances are better that CJ sees more 3rd down action than Hillman. I think Hillman will be 2nd in line for workload for sure, but I don't think it will eat into CJ's touches much.
