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RB Devonta Freeman, BAL (5 Viewers)
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I-ROK
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RC94
Footballguy
Yards. It's already been a problem. Barkley had 15 carries for 6 yards in week 1. He had a few stinkers last year too. As much as they have invested in the o-line, it's not working too well.
Deamon
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Ah ok, figured it was a joke haha. It's not pretty there but if he's the clear lead back then he's most definitely worth a roster spot.
RC94
Footballguy
I was mostly joking and I agree - he would be worth a roster spot and should have some good games if he become the lead RB. That shouldn't be hard for him since they have pretty poor quality depth.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Freeman was a big PPR value when in Atlanta (59 rec on 71 targets in 2019 on 14 games). With the Gmen lacking a solid Def, playing catch up and PPR value could make him Flex startable in some leagues. I carried him all summer with the expectation he would sign after the season started.... I think this is about as good as any possible outcome I could hope for regarding his landing spot!
If he signs NYG --> he does not have an easy schedule and won't do much in rush yards. His only value is PPR
If he signs NYG --> he does not have an easy schedule and won't do much in rush yards. His only value is PPR
Faust
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ATB
Footballguy
How did Gallman do after Barkley went down last year? I seem to recall it was better than expected at least.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
8/23 and 2/9 thru the air, 10 touches his 1st week out, still learning the playbook.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
To paraphrase a video game idiom - he's a tackle sponge.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Once settled in, I would expect a committee, with Lewis capping Freeman's receptions, and who knows what happens at the GL.
if he has Singletary-type value the rest of the year, owners should consider themselves fortunate. I wouldn't be too excited about owning any RB on that team. Y'all saw how a healthy Barkley did. And that was god awful.
if he has Singletary-type value the rest of the year, owners should consider themselves fortunate. I wouldn't be too excited about owning any RB on that team. Y'all saw how a healthy Barkley did. And that was god awful.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Hot Sauce Guy
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No and no, but closer.
Short term, Davis is in a much better situation. CMC is obviously coming back, which caps Davis' value. So if you want a high ceiling, short-term, Davis > Freeman. if you want a low ceiling long-term, Freeman is your pony. Henderson should have value season-long.
Ministry of Pain
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Davis could easily be 6 weeks, that's not short term IMHO...I understand what you're saying or thinking...like a champion/playoffs but for many it's survival right now and I'll take Davis on a team that IMO isn't as loaded at WR as some would have you believe. He was a target magnet and Carolina is going to continue to play from behind.
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MAC_32
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(Kelley)>Henderson>
McKinnon)>Davis>Freeman is what I currently have. McKinnon vs Davis is tight though. I'm an upside chaser, which is why I bumped Davis down but if I ever play McKinnon I fully expect Shanahan to only call his # a handful of times.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Still - a 6-week rental, as opposed to a season long gig.
otherwise, I agree. That’s why I think Davis is a better investment regardless. just acknowledging that it is shorter term.
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ATB
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Point is, Gallman filled the role of Barkley in his absence and put up similar numbers to my recollection. Barkley didn't do great in his first two games (1.5?) this year but his O-line was new and there was no preseason. I don't think anyone was bailing on Barkley before his injury so idk why you would bail on Freeman.
That O-line is going to gel sometime over the next few weeks and Freeman is much better than Wayne Gallman.
Whatever we could have expected from Barkley in the coming weeks, I think we can expect just a tad less from Freeman.
Which is a f#cking gold mine if he's available on waivers.
Put me on the list of guys trying to sort out the same mess. Right now I've got it:(Kelley)>Henderson>
Freeman
McKinnon
Davis
Henderson
Of those, Henderson last is the one I feel most confident about -- Akers and Brown aren't going away, and McVay isn't suddenly going to become a bell-cow guy after buying into the SF committee approach. That has the look and feel of a classic RBBC headache. That said, I wouldn't fault anyone for putting Freeman last. The bust potential is very high there.
BTW my list could look completely different by the time I finalize my waiver claims later tonight. In fact I fully expect it will. However the wind blows the moment before I log off and go to bed will decide it.
I'd go:
1. Davis -- Think he steps right in and has the potential to generate 15-20 PPR points immediately. Win now for me, figure things out later when CMC returns.
2. McKinnon -- Huge value in the very short term and will probably be the 1B to Mostert once he's back on a team that wants to run.
3. Freeman -- Could be starting RB on a team with lots of offensive weapons in a lousy division. Could also be a bust.
4. Henderson -- Need both Brown and Akers to falter. No guarantee of short or long term production.
Deamon
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It depends on so many things. Is it PPR? What's your record? Do you own CMC?
If you're 2-0 and think you can make the playoffs, Davis loses a lot of value. I also think CMC is back in 3-4 weeks. Go Freeman if this is the case.
If you own CMC, then Davis is the top pick.
Freeman has major bust potential, but I also want to see his deal. If they paid him good money, they're going to use him. And they won't be afraid to absolutely run him into the ground. I like him as a season long flex in standard leagues, while Davis is maybe an RB2 for 3-4 weeks.
Overall I only take Davis over Freeman if I own CMC, or it's a PPR league, or I'm 0-2. Otherwise It's Freeman for me.
Can't really argue any of that. Freeman 3 and Henderson 4 especially. I think I'm going to keep McKinnon ahead of Davis though. We could see CMC back on the field in a couple weeks instead of the 4-6 being tossed around.
Deamon
Footballguy
Not going on IR means they're leaving the door open for a return in 3 weeks. But if I had to guess it's going to be 4. So out 3 weeks.
rockaction
Footballguy
High ankle sprains are brutal. If you've ever had one and played football, it's nearly impossible to do the things you need to do to be effective. CMC was not allowed to speak to the media after the loss to Tampa, so we really don't know the extent or severity of the injury from the player's mouth. But 4-6 weeks is standard for high ankle sprains, and even then, it's generally a longer process to regaining full capacity. See Saquon Barkley last year when he thought he could cheat time coming back from a high ankle sprain.
rockaction
Footballguy
Devonta Freeman looked so toasted last year that it seemed somebody would put him on a S'more, not sign him up for some more.
Oof. That was bad. Yet it stands. Carry on.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
With CMC, if the Panthers are 0-7, do they risk bringing him back? Davis could have value all year....but if the Panthers tank, how much value will he hold? Also, he’s a journeyman RB that is less talented than CMC
Henderson is in RBBC regardless, but he has shown some talent...he may get more touches
McKinnon is in RBBC, but he will earn touches in a dynamic O
Freeman is on his last legs, playing for a bad team, but will be PPR value as Jones likes targeting the RBs. Gallman and Lewis will still some snaps
Josh Kelley>McKinnon>Freeman>Henderson>Davis
Henderson is in RBBC regardless, but he has shown some talent...he may get more touches
McKinnon is in RBBC, but he will earn touches in a dynamic O
Freeman is on his last legs, playing for a bad team, but will be PPR value as Jones likes targeting the RBs. Gallman and Lewis will still some snaps
Josh Kelley>McKinnon>Freeman>Henderson>Davis
Ilov80s
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'm gonna say that you can safely assume that I'm putting bids in as we speak and his name hasn't crossed my mind other than to comment in the Shark Pool.
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Ilov80s
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Not really. Gallman had a good fantasy game when he filled in, but it was against a terrible Washington team and he still only ran for 3.5 ypc and lost a fumble. When they played later in the year Barkley put up almost 300 total yards and had a 8.6 ypc.
Freeman may be better than Gallman, but he's not even in the same zip code as Barkley. I think that's the largest "tad" in history.
JohnnyU
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Fantasy owners of Freeman will have to be patient for at least a week or two. He probably won't get a lot of carries his first week. He's still the guy you want over Lewis. Some will argue PPR and that has some merit, but Freeman will be their starting RB very soon, if not his first week.
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Sasgaard
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Yes in theory on the 6 weeks rental but there is some upside here for a longer period because high ankle sprains are really tricky for RBs especially for RBs that shifty. Who knows how long it's gonna take for CMC to come back full speed so Davis might have upside for longer than 6 weeks.Hot Sauce Guy said:
Banger
Footballguy
good post. I think how you rank these guys depends on your roster and needs. If you are desperate for a decent starter over the next couple weeks I'd go with Davis, if you're looking for lottery ticket/home run ability I'd put Henderson first followed by McKinnon...if you are looking for a year long starter Freeman is probably your guy.Deamon said:
I think this statement is a bit premature. Barkley did look horrible in the Pittsburgh game and the entire offense looked like garbage. Against the Bears he had 4 rushes for 28 yards before the injury. The Giants have a new offensive coordinator and a rough schedule to start the season. The backs (and Jones) will probably play better later in the season. I would definitely bet against Freeman being an RB1 but in this landscape he could turn into a low end RB2 or flex option - especially in PPR. I know Lewis is there but they will give Freeman every chance to succeed and Freeman is a decent receiver out of the backfield. Last year he looked a step slower which was probably due to either aging or playing injured. If he lost a step from last year than they will be lucky to get Frank Gore value out of him. I think he is definitely worth a shot but you need to temper your expectations.Hot Sauce Guy said:
They gave him "up to" $3 mil, which tells us it's likely a cheap flyer. Still worth an add in FF, but IMO he's behind most of the other guys being talked about in here. I'd much rather have Davis, a guy you can start even if it's only for 3-4 weeks, than Freeman, a guy who you hope you never have to start.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not a big Freeman guy anyway.
and dude from ESPN thinks Lewis will be the starter regardless in what will eventually become a RBBC:
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
Gonne see if I can find the video but a couple days ago I saw a video breaking down Freemans film from last year. It definitely looked more like an ATL offensive line problem moreso than a Freeman problem. He still made plenty of guys miss in open field.
I had not heard this and obviously that would crush his value. I am surprised he would sign with the Giants if they didn't offer him a shot at becoming the starter. Lewis doesn't really excite me either. I think Freeman is worth picking up - especially if you have room on your bench.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He sent that last night around 10:00 PT.
Lewis showed pretty well in Barkley’s absence.
I think there’s a 1-2 week window where Lewis is the lead dog, and receiving back as Freeman comes up to speed.
After that, who knows. Maybe it’s Freeman, many be it’s RBBC from hell. As it turns out, Freeman’s offer is incentive-laden, so who knows what he was promised or not. I’ve seen that narrative a lot. Maybe the Eagles just weren’t interested after MSanders looked great & NYG was where Freeman could get a paycheck?
I’m interested in seeing what Freeman has in the tank. Last time I saw him run he wasn’t impressive. For this week at least I’d bet on Lewis being lead dog. If Crowder is out I’m probably gonna flex him so I hope so.
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