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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
If you want Julio at 8, get Ryan at 13. Doubles up your scoring potential. Don't punt on the QB position even if the one you are targeting doesn't excite you. Don't wait too long to get your 3rd QB either, because when the runs start on QB, the cupboard gets emptied quick. Target your QB2 in the 4th and your QB3 in the 7/8 turn. Good luck!
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I have Pick #3 in a Superflex. If Luck and Rodgers are gone, I thing I go AP. Rounds 2-3 I take best player (rb/wr) available. Round 4 is probably my second QB, but really depends on what has fallen. Especially since I go again in 5 picks after the turn. In a standard 2qb league, I ultimately want 2qb, 2rb and 1wr in the first 5 rounds.
Research only causes more confusion......
With the QB pool deep this year, anyone holding off on QB's even in a start 2 league? With the big drop-off at WR and good RB's available through the 4th-5th rounds, anyone considering not taking qb's until the 6th and 7th?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
If it's a choice between ending a QB run and starting a new WR/rb run, then go for the WR/rb only because everyone will be trying to get theirs next having already taken 1 QB. If you are in the middle though, take the QB.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Rodgers has no business being on the board at pick 3. If he's there don't hesitate to take him.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
I did this in the recent Superflex footballguys mock draft. With only 4 points per passing TD and 1 per 25 yards passing, there just isn't a huge dropoff between the #3 and #20 guy. We're only talking about 4 points a week or so advantage to adding Wilson or somebody like that vs. waiting for Flacco/Cutler/Palmer/Dalton.Goooals said:
I waited and grabbed Flacco/Cutler in the 7th and 9th. Added Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor in the later rounds to have some other flex options. Allowed me to go WR/RB heavy early with Adrian Peterson, AJ Green and Mike Evans in the first 3 rounds.
I think Evans/Flacco has a good chance of outscoring a 3rd round QB and a 7th round WR. You give up 3 points at QB but hopefully gain 5 points at WR.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
If it's a PPR league with 4 point passing TDs, I'd take Bell, Peterson, Brown or Julio over Rodgers.Raiderfan32904 said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
7th round receivers available in my recent draft: Perriman, Maclin, DeSean, Martavis, D Adams
3rd round QB's: Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater, Big Ben...all picked in the 4th round.
Flacco went in round 8. Evans in round 2.
So the comp is Evans/Flacco vs. Ben/Maclin. I tell you what, I still like Ben/Maclin better. That's just me. I was the one who took Evans and not sure anymore about that pick with Jameis awful performance. And Flacco...who is he going to throw to? I'm just not feeling that combo at all.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I think the delta between Rodgers and the next QB is much greater than the delta between these guys you mention and the next tier which is widely available in round 2/3. Even with the 4 point scoring.
Dismattle
Footballguy
yeah Im not sure if were talking redraft/Dynasty but if so Its near impossible to trade for Rodgers.
I do love Brown, and all too But, Rodgers is just too much of a difference maker..
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
In my case we're talking dynasty, and I traded up to get Rodgers. I paid heavily but I'm ok with it.
Warrior
Footballguy
Doubles up your potential for crappy performances too. Definitely not good advice (or bad advice...more like neutral advice)
All good advice here, but no definitive answer (is there ever). My superflex just happens to be non-ppr so that takes the WR's out of the 1st round. At pick #3, its either Rodgers, AP, Lacy or Bell. The drop-off after Rodgers seems huge, but it is also big at RB.
What looks better:
Rd 1. AP, Bell, Lacy or Charles; and
Rd 2. Big Ben, Ryan, Newton, Manning
Rd. 1. Rodgers
Rd 2. Hill, McCoy or Murray
What looks better:
Rd 1. AP, Bell, Lacy or Charles; and
Rd 2. Big Ben, Ryan, Newton, Manning
Rd. 1. Rodgers
Rd 2. Hill, McCoy or Murray
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
From yesterday, $200 budget:
Rodgers - 56
Luck - 55
Roethlisberger - 49
Ryan - 45
Wilson - 42
Tannehill - 40
Rivers - 40
Brees - 40
Manning - 40
Stafford - 36
Bradford - 36
Romo - 36
Eli - 34
Carr - 31
Flacco - 30
Brady - 30
Bridgewater - 29
Newton - 28
Things got a little wacky because at the beginning, a few guys went lower than they should have while people were waiting (Brees, Newton). Then one guy who already had Brees grabbed Tannehill and Rivers and was "setting the market" as he put it. Then some people started freaking out about QB, leading to Derek Carr at 31 and Bridgewater at 29.
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nittanylion
Footballguy
Anything change on this front? Really would like to have a discussion with folks who have this in common...
Faust
MVP
Sifting through best draft strategies for two-quarterback fantasy leagues:
http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/08/27/fantasy-football-2015-draft-preview-two-quarterback-leagues
http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/08/27/fantasy-football-2015-draft-preview-two-quarterback-leagues
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
QBs to target/watch after week 1?
McGloin obviously
Austin Davis (assuming Manziel is already gone in your league)
Henne
Osweiler up a tick?
Still thinking about Stanton.
McGloin obviously
Austin Davis (assuming Manziel is already gone in your league)
Henne
Osweiler up a tick?
Still thinking about Stanton.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Anyone with a thought on this from a team management perspective? I am posting here because I don't think people not in 2 QB leagues will have experience with this kind of thing.
My QBs are Rodgers, Foles and Cassel. I've held Cassel since the auction in August and finally it just appeared to payoff. Then I realized that I never accounted for the fact that his bye week changed when he went from the Bills to the Cowboys. So now Foles and Cassel have a bye this week and I only have Rodgers.
The only things on the waiver wire would be extreme longshot backups.
I was looking at the Manuel owner's team. He has 2 other QBs and will end up in a similar situation in week 8.
Now obviously Manuel is not very good and there's a chance he won't even play next week. (There is also a chance that he could get the job back at some point.) Cassel will have a limited shelf-life as a backup on my team, but all things being equal, I would prefer him over Manuel.
Should I offer Cassel for Manuel in order to prevent the 0 this week, knowing that there is a chance that Manuel would get a 0 next week anyway? Or should I just let it go for this week and take a 0 or grab a longshot from the waiver wire (like Josh Johnson, for instance)?
My QBs are Rodgers, Foles and Cassel. I've held Cassel since the auction in August and finally it just appeared to payoff. Then I realized that I never accounted for the fact that his bye week changed when he went from the Bills to the Cowboys. So now Foles and Cassel have a bye this week and I only have Rodgers.
The only things on the waiver wire would be extreme longshot backups.
I was looking at the Manuel owner's team. He has 2 other QBs and will end up in a similar situation in week 8.
Now obviously Manuel is not very good and there's a chance he won't even play next week. (There is also a chance that he could get the job back at some point.) Cassel will have a limited shelf-life as a backup on my team, but all things being equal, I would prefer him over Manuel.
Should I offer Cassel for Manuel in order to prevent the 0 this week, knowing that there is a chance that Manuel would get a 0 next week anyway? Or should I just let it go for this week and take a 0 or grab a longshot from the waiver wire (like Josh Johnson, for instance)?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I had a similar problem in my start 2QB league. Here's what I did. The Vick owner offered him up for peanuts and since his bye covers Rodgers, I think I'm ok with starting him for one week as my QB2. And I didn't have to throw away good FAAB money on a chump like Manuel to get thru the bye week. In my case, the Vick owner had Brady and Tannehill, so he was done with his bye weeks, so Vick came especially cheap. Look for an owner that can spare a QB and shoot him a lowball offer. You might be surprised.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Given Rodgers bye week is week 7, I think you gotta take the bird in the hand and keep Cassel for week 7. You can't get cute, especially with Taylor already practicing. You might also wait a day to see if Hasselbeck gets dropped. Since NE is going to pound them, Luck might rest the 4th quarter and you could get garbage points.
Faust
MVP
How does the value of a QB change in a superflex league when you have a max roster cap of 2 QB? It seems like in a 10 team league it would lower the value of QBs a significant amount since at worst your second QB would be #20, which lately has not been that different than #12 or whatever.
Faust
MVP
How are injuries and bye weeks handled? It seems to me that you would want an elite QB as your #1 and your second QB would more likely be a player that you wouldn't worry about dropping and playing the waiver wire for injuries and bye weeks.
Elite QBs bumped up and I wouldn't worry as much about securing my QB #2 ranked in the 8-14 ish range. Instead I would focus on a second QB in the 15-20 range with upside.
dino259
Footballguy
I don't know if that really makes sense. You are force to have roster turn over. In our 2qb 10 team league people draft 4 qbs early. It is a huge part of the strategy.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I agree with dino259. Roster limits on start 2 or superflex leagues impede on strategy. If you can only carry 2 QB's, there will always be a pool of starting QB's on the wire...where's the fun in that?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I have a ten team with a 6 QB limit and even that changes the strategy some. Developmental QBs are nil. The consistently good teams have more good QBs, but you can win with garbage at QB or stud+stream by getting lucky.
You have to drop them or play a non-QB. That is pretty much the strategy I have been using. At first people did not wise up to the increased value of QBs in a 2QB league and I won a bunch, now people play chicken to see who is the last time needed a QB, since then you can wait until the last round and no one can draft one even if they wanted to.Faust said:
I am in 2 20 team leagues, and those get kind of crazy since 8 teams will not have a backup QB and if your QB gets hurt you are screwed.
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bodotdot
Footballguy
I'm switching my 12-tm league this year, dropping the K position and adding a Superflex. Teams start 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1RB-WR/1QB-RB-WR-TE/1TD and have eight bench spots. I'm really wary of teams hoarding QBs but hope they won't. Per a suggestion, I added a rule that says teams may draft QBs from no more than four different teams. That only applies to the draft. Since it's not strictly a 2QB league I'm hoping no one goes nuts after the draft and scoops up a ton of backup QBs. Is this an area of concern, or does the Superflex position protect teams from being shut out, in case of QB injuries?
The superflex offers the protection of being able to submit a lineup. But in most scoring systems, "superflex" is basically "2QB if at all possible."
The position will be highly valued, as not every owner will have an nfl starter as their backup/bye week guy. Expect them to go much higher in the draft than otherwise, just due to this positional scarcity.
To me, that just is what it is. Artificially constraining owners isn't going to help much, and a "4 team" limit will do nothing (few teams will draft more than three starters as it stands). If an owner is truly worried about losing backups when the starter is injured, they need to handcuff their star QB, just like people already do at RB (which also has positional scarcity, though less than QB because more play per nfl team each week).
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure why you would go that route. How many QBs can they roster total? No matter what, even in a league that size there will be starting QBs available on the waiver wire during the season. If you don't have roster limits (e.g. four total QBs rostered at any one time) it opens the door for someone to hoard QBs. With eight bench spots that's even more likely.bodotdot said:
battlestar
Footballguy
In my 14 team super flex we have a 4 QB roster limit. We added it about 6 years ago when QB hoarding was a problem, and we've had no issues since. I've not had a single complaint from any of our owners on this rule.
Right. Especially if the QB slot is a superflex and not mandatory start 2 QB. There's not as much difference between Rodgers and the lowest starting QBthan there is between Brown and the lowest starting WR.
bodotdot
Footballguy
Another site that exclusively covers 2QB/Superflex leagues made the point that having a Superflex position prevents the damage someone can do by hoarding QBs, because by hoarding 6 or 7 QBs, they're not taking other skill position players and other teams could just start RB/WR/TE in that spot. Additionally, what's to prevent a team from hoarding WRs or RBs?
I'm only bringing this up is because I'm the commissioner and this is the first time that I'm replacing the K position with a Superflex. I don't want to leave some massive loophole in the league setup that someone can exploit and ruin the league. Right now, I'm saying you can't draft QBs from more than 4 different teams and leaving it at that. Waivers are handled by FAAB, so if someone wants to go broke buying Glennon/Manuel/Foles, etc., then I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take.
I'm only bringing this up is because I'm the commissioner and this is the first time that I'm replacing the K position with a Superflex. I don't want to leave some massive loophole in the league setup that someone can exploit and ruin the league. Right now, I'm saying you can't draft QBs from more than 4 different teams and leaving it at that. Waivers are handled by FAAB, so if someone wants to go broke buying Glennon/Manuel/Foles, etc., then I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take.
Only the fact that there are 4-5x and 2-3x as many involved in each NFL team's gameplan from week to week, whereas I can't recall a team gameplanning for two QBs since Kordell Stewart became a starter or Steve Spurrier left the league...
I think you'll be fine. Several owners will end up with4 QBs and expect to make a killing trading with owners that have only one. But that won't break the league...
Chaka
Footballguy
As I said the only problem with that language is that one of your "league lawyers" will use that language to defend picking up 2-4 more QBs on the WW allowing him to roster 5 or more QBs because you said "draft QBs..." I recommend that you say "draft/roster more than 4 QBs..." and eliminate the the "4 different teams" part.
Pwingles
Footballguy
Have the no 2 pick in a keeper league that changed formats this year to 2 qb, we are all noobs in this format, and not a lot of qbs were kept.
req's are
10 team ppr
2/2/3/1/2 flex (wrt) no K or Def (all tds 6 pts)
I kept Dez and Cooks
top players available according to draft dominator
brees
ben
luck
rivers
eli
zeke
stafford
freeman
OBJ
Palmer
There are a decent amount of RBs after this as well. So my question would be, is best QB available at the 2 and the 19 the way to go? in my mocks there are some pretty good, fringe weekly qb1 guys at 19.
req's are
10 team ppr
2/2/3/1/2 flex (wrt) no K or Def (all tds 6 pts)
I kept Dez and Cooks
top players available according to draft dominator
brees
ben
luck
rivers
eli
zeke
stafford
freeman
OBJ
Palmer
There are a decent amount of RBs after this as well. So my question would be, is best QB available at the 2 and the 19 the way to go? in my mocks there are some pretty good, fringe weekly qb1 guys at 19.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Normally any time passing TDs are 6 points, you take the 2 best QBs available with your first two picks and don't look back.
But this particular scenario is interesting. Can you hold onto your 2 keepers forever, with no draft-pick penalty beyond the roster slot itself? If so, and Luck goes 1.01 (which he will), I'd tempt fate and grab OBJ at #2, hoping that my leaguemates will let two decent QB options fall to me at 19 and 22. Not having a true QB1 might cost you 50-75 points of VBD this season, but you'll earn back a lot more than that over time with a stud like OBJ vs. what I'd expect from Dez or Cooks over the next few years.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
I'd go Zeke or OBJ at #2.Pwingles said:
Especially when you have to start 7 RB/WR each week.
I'm curious why the draft dominator is spitting out the QBs so high...
OBJ is going to outscore the #40 or 50 WR by more points than any of those QBs are going to outscore the QB20.
