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RB Damien Williams, ATL (7 Viewers)
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BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Now--no way, but my reason for the move is in hopes he turns into something and performs better than the 2 guys I have rotating at my #2 back spot. Of course this is if he gets the opportunity to shine. Appears that won't be this week.
Chaka
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
We also can't forget Moreno isn't done for the year. At some point in time, he will be back and he will get another shot. I mean, what would it take for Williams to hold long-term value?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
A good game that gives the coaching staff more confidence in playing him long term.
Over 2 games the Miami offense has run the ball 29.5 times/game. Based on the type of offense I think they will remain in the top 10 for total rushing attempts over the course of the season. So there is opportunity here for two running backs to get touches that may be worth starting on a weekly basis.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Right, but which two? Assuming you are counting on Moreno coming back and regaining some type of role, are you expecting Williams to overtake Miller?
Anyway, looks like he compares similarly to Pierce and Cadillac Williams from an athletic stand point. The first thing I did was watch some highlights. I don't like to pass judgement solely off of highlight reels but it's always a fun start when researching an RB. I was a bit disappointed to see his highlights consisting of him running through mac truck sized holes; I was hoping to see some yards after contact but there was nada. I then watched same game highlights and saw the positives and negatives highlighted in this thread. He seems like a fine speculative add but between him, Miller, Orleans (who got snaps/touches last week after Moreno went down as well) and the inevitable return of Moreno I think he's going to have to be special to come out on top.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am not sure which two running backs will ultimately become the top two in rushing attempts. But I do not have a lot of confidence in Moreno or Miller. So I think there is opportunity for Damien Williams and Orleans Darkwa to become one of the two primary RB is pretty good.
From a measurable standpoint Damien Williams performed pretty well in most of the applicable drills except for his 3 cone time which was below average. That does make me question his future success somewhat. But he has the most important thing, which is speed.
Watching him play I see some untapped potential. This could be related to a lack of vision or elusiveness. That is a concern I have about him. However I have also seen a natural hands catcher and he decent job done in pass protection when asked to do that.
On April 22 I had Williams ranked as the 12th RB of the 2014 draft class. Just behind Jerick McKinnon, Dri Archer and Andre Williams. So a lottery ticket type of player after the athletic phenoms.
I prefer Williams of all of the RB options in Miami right now. I see this season as a clean slate type of year for all of their running backs. Moreno only got a 1 year deal. Miller made the team but I think Moreno is their 1st choice. He has issues staying healthy however and thee must be a reason the Bronco's let him go. In fact he was on the market for a long time if you recall, so teams were not making a strong push for him as a free agent. They have no ties to Miller or Thomas. Thomas was cut from the team already, only recently added back to the roster. They signed Williams and Darkwa who made the final roster.
The offensive line is still a work in progress, but they looked significantly better than last season. The system seems very friendly for running backs.
eta - I have Damien Williams projected for 140 rushing attempts 602 rushing yards 6 TD 26 receptions 202 receiving yards after a couple weeks of preseason.
From a measurable standpoint Damien Williams performed pretty well in most of the applicable drills except for his 3 cone time which was below average. That does make me question his future success somewhat. But he has the most important thing, which is speed.
Watching him play I see some untapped potential. This could be related to a lack of vision or elusiveness. That is a concern I have about him. However I have also seen a natural hands catcher and he decent job done in pass protection when asked to do that.
On April 22 I had Williams ranked as the 12th RB of the 2014 draft class. Just behind Jerick McKinnon, Dri Archer and Andre Williams. So a lottery ticket type of player after the athletic phenoms.
I prefer Williams of all of the RB options in Miami right now. I see this season as a clean slate type of year for all of their running backs. Moreno only got a 1 year deal. Miller made the team but I think Moreno is their 1st choice. He has issues staying healthy however and thee must be a reason the Bronco's let him go. In fact he was on the market for a long time if you recall, so teams were not making a strong push for him as a free agent. They have no ties to Miller or Thomas. Thomas was cut from the team already, only recently added back to the roster. They signed Williams and Darkwa who made the final roster.
The offensive line is still a work in progress, but they looked significantly better than last season. The system seems very friendly for running backs.
eta - I have Damien Williams projected for 140 rushing attempts 602 rushing yards 6 TD 26 receptions 202 receiving yards after a couple weeks of preseason.
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OU#1
Footballguy
Williams was never a bell cow at OU. As much as I want to see him shine in the NFL, I just don't see him beating out Moreno or Miller to become a bell cow at the next level. With that being said, I don't see how a Miami RBBC/Split ends up with much more fantasy relevance than a bye week replacement or match up spot start in redrafts.
I'm hoping I'm wrong...
I'm hoping I'm wrong...
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I'm on board.
massraider
Footballguy
Of all the guys avaialable on waiver wires, he's the one that only has Lamar Miller in front of him. That alone makes him worth a look-see.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Picked him up in 2 leagues, a redraft and a dynasty. I'm in such bad shape in the redraft I'm actually starting him as an RB2 this week. My regular RB2 is Mathews and I've been outbid for 2 weeks trying to get a backup. I bid over 50% for D Brown, didn't get him.
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steveski
Footballguy
No matter the bench size I always feel like I'd be in much better shape if I had just 1 more spot. Have Crowell in my last spot now and am so tempted to swap him for this guy or CJ Anderson. I have a feeling that after this week 1 of those 3 will be a lot more valuable but there's no way of knowing.
I have to admit that I like Williams the least out of those speculative adds like Crowell and Anderson mainly due to the lack of usage so far. Hard to know what he can do at the NFL level when he's had barely any touches so far. Only having Miller ahead of him is a huge plus though.
I have to admit that I like Williams the least out of those speculative adds like Crowell and Anderson mainly due to the lack of usage so far. Hard to know what he can do at the NFL level when he's had barely any touches so far. Only having Miller ahead of him is a huge plus though.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Was able to grab him in several deep redraft leagues at 7% of the budget (next highest bid was usually 3-4%) and I feel pretty comfortable with it.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Interesting post in the new Miller thread.
Query: how many carries will the Phins have vs KC and how many will Miller have?
Who gets the rest and how many?
Query: how many carries will the Phins have vs KC and how many will Miller have?
Who gets the rest and how many?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Of course week 1 it was 35 RB carries, last week it was 17 RB carries. I wonder what we get this week.
Chaka
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
The fact they trotted Daniel Thomas who is a complete POS over Williams......tells you all you need to know about how this coaching staff feels about giving Williams any PT in the regular season.
No trust here right now by this (abysmal) coaching staff in Williams.
No trust here right now by this (abysmal) coaching staff in Williams.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, very strange. Snap counts:
Week 1:
Moreno - 45
Miller - 28
Williams - 1
Week 2:
Miller - 52
Williams - 17
Darkwa - 9
Moreno - 2 (injured)
Week 3:
Miller - 54
Thomas - 14
Williams - 2
JFS171
Footballguy
So he's listed as questionable due to an ankle injury and missed some practice time this week. Is it plausible he hurt his ankle early in last week's game?
I also found these tweets which suggest he was set to be the second guy...
@ArmandoSalguero: Damien Williams second back into the game for the Dolphins.
@AdamHBeasley: Damien Williams gets the first non-Lamar Miller carry.
I also found these tweets which suggest he was set to be the second guy...
@ArmandoSalguero: Damien Williams second back into the game for the Dolphins.
@AdamHBeasley: Damien Williams gets the first non-Lamar Miller carry.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't see why. He didn't do anything last time Moreno was hurt, not sure why he would start to now.
FUBAR
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Some people have this crazy theory that rookies can improve. He's certainly worth watching.ETA- FUBAR beat me by a second with this post.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So Williams showed up this week, 13 touches in the blowout, did nothing much with them, 51 tot yards, but there it is.
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I thought he looked like a backup NFL RB when I got to see him finally play. There was little special about him and I had spent way too much FF WW $ on him hoping n all.
They did sign some other backs when it was Damian's turn to step up which doesn't indicate high praise or support for him.
I don't discredit that he's a 3 down back, we all knew he had receiving ability.
He just seemed very average. I was looking for anything I could hang my hat on and...dropped him in dynasty.
Injuries sometimes give opportunities to average backs and put them in a position to succeed, but NFL teams start every year with one or two new fancy backs as starters
They did sign some other backs when it was Damian's turn to step up which doesn't indicate high praise or support for him.
I don't discredit that he's a 3 down back, we all knew he had receiving ability.
He just seemed very average. I was looking for anything I could hang my hat on and...dropped him in dynasty.
Injuries sometimes give opportunities to average backs and put them in a position to succeed, but NFL teams start every year with one or two new fancy backs as starters
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Everything sounds very positive for him. With Miller in a contract year his stock is only going to rise.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I rode this train last year and it went nowhere.
He looked much more comfy this preseason.
I don't get the love for Lamar Miller. I assume he won some FF titles with his nice week 15 game and his 178 yard game in week 16 so there's a shine on him. Before that he was a 700 yard RB that gets 12 carries per game.
12 carries for 50ish yards was quite regular and would make me consider Damien again.
He looked much more comfy this preseason.
I don't get the love for Lamar Miller. I assume he won some FF titles with his nice week 15 game and his 178 yard game in week 16 so there's a shine on him. Before that he was a 700 yard RB that gets 12 carries per game.
12 carries for 50ish yards was quite regular and would make me consider Damien again.
