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That's the new Domastic Violence policy. Peterson falls under the Personal Conduct Policy (aka the "Embarrassing the League" provision). On the latter, Goodell still has very wide discretion.
I don't think the amount of remorse matters, because Goodell (like any good lawyer) would use it against him regardless, either by accusing Peterson of crocodile tears or by claiming that the remorse is just more evidence of his guilt.
That's not remorse. Someone who is reemorseful acknowledges guilt, takes accountability for doing wrong, expresses regret that they've done harm, etc. All I see him saying here is basically:and something I pointed out before.... Goodell stated that part of his decision was how ADP reacted to being charged in the first place, but didn't take into account anything he said or did later.. seems Goodell said "No sign of remorse or thoughts to change" when the Bold part states the opposite.
AWESOME.. So they have an out.. Can't believe the Players Union agreed to that.
Or he can be given the choice, we suspend you indefintely now pending the outcome of your case or go on the CEL.As I said.. There is no way in hell another player will voluntarily put himself on that list now that the arbitrator ruled you can be placed on their indefinitely based on what the Commissioner wants to do..
Going to make it interesting what they do when the next player is accused with abuse.. Do you suspend him for 6 games now.. Do you let him play until his case is heard in court and then suspend him??
Goddell basically threw this bargaining chip out the door with his handling of it.
Also - Hardin expecting (hoping) an independent arbitrator be appointed for the appeal and that a lawsuit will not be necessary.
Yes he does, just as Goodell has the right to instruct Peterson not to use marijuana in a legal manner.
I don't even think it's about that at all. It's more like "Embarrass the league in any conceivable manner, and be subject to Goodell's whim."
The reason he can do that with marijuana is that it's illegal on the Federal level.
I think you're still doing it. The reason Goodell can suspend players for using marijuana is the same reason he can suspend them for beating children or bullying a teammate or making homophobic remarks on Twitter or hitting someone helmet-to-helmet during a game, even though most of those things aren't illegal. It's part of league policy, just like my employer can fire me for violating company policies (or for pretty much any reason), even if I'm not breaking any laws.
You forgot to bold the most important part. In retrospect it was a bad move by the lawyer/players association to advise Peterson to flip the NFL the bird and skip Friday meeting. I thought that was a bad move when I heard about it.
The NFLPA doesn't seem to understand that the NFL has a lot of uncodified power. Mighty be unfairly arbitrary, but there you go.
My understanding is He is still on the Exempt list until his appeal is heard, thus he is still getting paid.Is the CEL mutually exclusive of being suspended?
And the Commissioner's Exempt List frees up a roster spot, but not the cap room, right.
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The NFL does have a lot of power and is very popular right now but could this hubris lead to their demise like Mark Cuban made mention to a while back. He wasn't referring to this meting of punishment directly but it all becomes part of an idea that they can do no wrong. I think trying to control every action and account for things that really don't concern them is causing more problems than what they're worth. Let the courts deal with these issues and punish the players. It becomes a slippery slope. Like someone mentioned before, what is next? Speeding? Not paying your taxes?
In this case, clearly the misplaced hubris was not coming from the NFL side of the field. The NFL actually has the power to back up the ego. Unfortunately for AP, that "victory" plea deal most likely added to the pomposity of taking such a stance vs the NFL, and I believe NFLPA was using him as a pawn to set precedent. This is a case where the union placed their welfare above AP's and AP's lawyer should have been able to figure this out for him and cut ties with the NFLPA on the decision to skip the meeting. Fact is he should have been there hat in hand with a laundry list of changes he had already made in his life along with a todo list for his plans in the future, one that would impress a domestic violence expert. It should not take too long for a lawyer with APs resources to figure out what they wanted to hear, probably not more than even a day's research. They took another approach.
They may have the power to back up the ego now but I am suggesting that they are hurting the brand going forward by continuing this path. How can they go back from all of these precedents now? They ask remorse and learning of Peterson and others but I don't think that THEY have learned from any of these issues. They keep reacting without any form of a plan. I understand that some of these issues cannot be planned for but why do they need to add more discipline when the legal system has already spoken. Why do they think that the NFL is so important that they need to administer extra punishment? Can they add punishment? Of course they can but should they?In this case, clearly the misplaced hubris was not coming from the NFL side of the field. The NFL actually has the power to back up the ego. Unfortunately for AP, that "victory" plea deal most likely added to the pomposity of taking such a stance vs the NFL, and I believe NFLPA was using him as a pawn to set precedent. This is a case where the union placed their welfare above AP's and AP's lawyer should have been able to figure this out for him and cut ties with the NFLPA on the decision to skip the meeting. Fact is he should have been there hat in hand with a laundry list of changes he had already made in his life along with a todo list for his plans in the future, one that would impress a domestic violence expert. It should not take too long for a lawyer with APs resources to figure out what they wanted to hear, probably not more than even a day's research. They took another approach.
Your (and Cuban's) greater point stands -- I don't think the NFL is long-term bulletproof either.
Part of that is my point. If the league didn't try and add additional punishment for acts outside of the league then the bad press wouldn't be directed at the league when players do these things but at the individual players and the courts as they should be.
There was already bad press for the league based on the player's actions before Goodell made conduct such an issue.
Just like he did with Ray McDonald. Oh wait.Or he can be given the choice, we suspend you indefintely now pending the outcome of your case or go on the CEL.As I said.. There is no way in hell another player will voluntarily put himself on that list now that the arbitrator ruled you can be placed on their indefinitely based on what the Commissioner wants to do..Going to make it interesting what they do when the next player is accused with abuse.. Do you suspend him for 6 games now.. Do you let him play until his case is heard in court and then suspend him??
Goddell basically threw this bargaining chip out the door with his handling of it.
At least for 1-2 games until Tate is hurt.
Hardin sounds like an ineffective whiner there, not full of braggadocio like awhile ago. His client won a small battle (bargained down to misdemeanor assault in court) and lost the war (playing in the NFL this year). There's no way Peterson followed the course he did regarding the NFL without Hardin's advice.
Yes, those cases are so similar. Except for the fact that no public evidence ever surfaced and McDonald never plead out or was even charged for that matter. But yeah, just like Goodell did with McDonald.Just like he did with Ray McDonald. Oh wait.Or he can be given the choice, we suspend you indefintely now pending the outcome of your case or go on the CEL.As I said.. There is no way in hell another player will voluntarily put himself on that list now that the arbitrator ruled you can be placed on their indefinitely based on what the Commissioner wants to do..Going to make it interesting what they do when the next player is accused with abuse.. Do you suspend him for 6 games now.. Do you let him play until his case is heard in court and then suspend him??
Goddell basically threw this bargaining chip out the door with his handling of it.
The only reason you should keep him rostered is if you support his view on child rea
I get the sense that the PFT rumor mill comes from agents a fair amount, and in this case (as you may have said) he's being fed by the union and maybe AP's camp. I actually agree with a lot of what he and the union are saying though, it seems totally rational. And I don't think the league has acted according to Hoyle, to put it mildly. If anyone expected a rational result in this case, that was a mistake. 15 games, 16 weeks, that's the penalty, and it's indefinite after that unless AP meets the requirements of how Goodell approves his lifestyle and manner of child rea.
I'm wondering the same thing, but with the Ben Tate claim, I'm thinking that while nothing is 100% certain, I see it as unlikely that Peterson plays this season.
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Ray McDonald charged 8/31/14Yes, those cases are so similar. Except for the fact that no public evidence ever surfaced and McDonald never plead out or was even charged for that matter. But yeah, just like Goodell did with McDonald.Just like he did with Ray McDonald. Oh wait.Or he can be given the choice, we suspend you indefintely now pending the outcome of your case or go on the CEL.As I said.. There is no way in hell another player will voluntarily put himself on that list now that the arbitrator ruled you can be placed on their indefinitely based on what the Commissioner wants to do..Going to make it interesting what they do when the next player is accused with abuse.. Do you suspend him for 6 games now.. Do you let him play until his case is heard in court and then suspend him??
Goddell basically threw this bargaining chip out the door with his handling of it.
So come to this extra last second meeting we just set up or the deals off. Seems fair.
Florio's been hard on the NFL for awhile now, for setting their own rules, not following them, and setting new rules without any regard for anything but what they want at that particular moment. This isn't the first time he got sucked into thinking something might actually change. A lot of us here, both pro- and anti- Peterson are equally as hard on Goodell for the same reason. But this was never a situation where you had to pick one being right and one being wrong. Yes, Goodell probably trampled on league procedures like he's done before. Yes, Peterson deserved the boot for the year. You can believe both things.
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