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Adrian Peterson Status Updates (7 Viewers)

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Whatever the NFL does with Peterson, it needs to do it quickly

Posted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2014, 9:55 AM EST
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Adrian Peterson landed on the rabbit-from-a-hat-or-some-other-orifice Commissioner’s exemption list pending the resolution of his legal case. His legal case is now resolved.

The NFL has opted to be aloof and coy regarding Peterson’s status; the timetable is there is no timetable.

That doesn’t cut it. It’s one thing for the NFL to drag its feet during the offseason, when games aren’t being played. It’s quite another for the NFL to take it slow when every Sunday has a full slate of games.

In this specific case, the league got a little lucky. The Vikings don’t play this week. The NFL can take six days to figure out whether to reinstate Peterson or to impose further discipline beyond the eight games he has missed.

The NFL must use that six days to make a decision. It’s not difficult. Get everyone with an interest in the situation together in a room and figure it out.

When Peterson was on track to play in Week Three, the NFL moved quickly to strike a deal that sidelined him. That same urgency should apply now; it’s the right thing to do for the player and for the team. Whatever the outcome, the decision needs to be made quickly. While the league office will be distracted for the next two games with the Ray Rice appeal hearing, the first order of business for Friday should be figuring out what to do with Peterson.

Frankly, the decision already should have been made. Plea bargains happen all the time. The NFL should have realized that a deal was possible for Peterson, and the NFL should have been ready to move with the same speed that applies to any other questions of player availability during the season.

But if the NFL decides that it should take more time because of the precedent that will be set, then reinstate Peterson and let him play until a decision is reached regarding his suspension. Plenty of players play while suspensions are pending under other policies, including the PED policy. If a guy accused of cheating the game can still play until his status is resolved, why shouldn’t Peterson be allowed to play, too?
 
Dippa said:
JimmyJabroni said:
If my team was any good I'd certainly take a shot on an AP lottery ticket. But if you're like me and your team stinks and is just barely in it, not sure I can take a chance on him.
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That seems like an ideal situation to add him to me, generally speaking.
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Yeah, on 2nd thought I decided to add him. It's a long shot but there is no telling what could happen and how quickly it could happen. And there wasn't a whole lot on the waivers that can help me get better right now anyway. So I'm rolling the dice on him.

 
Rusty Hardin: Don’t lump Adrian Peterson in with Ray Rice

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 5, 2014, 9:48 AM EST

If Ray Rice’s elevator video hadn’t become public, Adrian Peterson probably would have been playing for the Vikings over the last eight weeks. But Peterson’s indictment on a charge of abusing his 4-year-old son was handed down just as the NFL was in the midst of a firestorm of criticism for its handling of Rice, and as a result Peterson has spent the last eight weeks out of the NFL.

Now that Peterson has resolved the legal issue with a no-contest plea, his lawyer says it’s time for the NFL to separate Peterson from the league’s domestic violence scandal.

“I hope and trust he doesn’t fall prey to all these publicized events involving other people, which had nothing to do with his situation,” lawyer Rusty Hardin said on Mike & Mike. “This is a parent disciplining a child and an unintended harm occurred. But it has nothing to do with child abuse, domestic abuse, family abuse and so on, so I hope he doesn’t continue to get lumped in with problems others have.”

Hardin suggested that if it hadn’t been for the Rice elevator video, Peterson likely never would have been charged with anything. According to Hardin, Peterson was set to be cleared in the investigation into the injuries sustained by his son until the Rice video caused the prosecutor and the grand jury to give closer scrutiny to Peterson.

“On September 4 we were informed a grand jury here had declined to charge him and that it was over,” Hardin said. “And then the Ray Rice video came out that Monday on TMZ, and that next Thursday, the 11th, we were informed the grand jury was reconsidering his case, and then he was indicted. Part of what’s happened here is lumping these athletes in together. They’re all individuals, they’re all different circumstances. What I’m hoping is the NFL and the public will assess them individually and not lump them together. And if they do that I think Adrian has earned the right to get his chance.”

 
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JimmyJabroni said:
Rusty Hardin: Don’t lump Adrian Peterson in with Ray Rice

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 5, 2014, 9:48 AM EST

lawyer Rusty Hardin said on Mike & Mike. “This is a parent disciplining a child and an unintended harm occurred. But it has nothing to do with child abuse, domestic abuse, family abuse and so on, so I hope he doesn’t continue to get lumped in with problems others have.”
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Right, parents should be incentivated on hitting their children with a stick........

 
JimmyJabroni said:
Dippa said:
JimmyJabroni said:
If my team was any good I'd certainly take a shot on an AP lottery ticket. But if you're like me and your team stinks and is just barely in it, not sure I can take a chance on him.
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That seems like an ideal situation to add him to me, generally speaking.
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Yeah, on 2nd thought I decided to add him. It's a long shot but there is no telling what could happen and how quickly it could happen. And there wasn't a whole lot on the waivers that can help me get better right now anyway. So I'm rolling the dice on him.
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Nice. Yeah, I'd be trying to swing for the fences in that spot.

 
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).

 
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.

 
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.

 
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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Uhhh, no where even close to the same thing. A banker and an NFL player who is unionized and operates under a CBA? According to the CBA, he is not getting an accrued season, so yes technically he is suspended even though he has never been issued a suspension.

 
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Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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Good explanation in laymans terms. But you forgot one minor detail. The guy in the bank that was put on admin leave typically gets his accrued time for retirement purposes back on the books. In Peterson's case, if he doesn't play 6 games, he loses an a year he could have used for his pension benefits. But that's a minor thing I think.

 
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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No it isn't. Football is not banking.

 
Jerry Curl said:
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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Uhhh, no where even close to the same thing. A banker and an NFL player who is unionized and operates under a CBA? According to the CBA, he is not getting an accrued season, so yes technically he is suspended even though he has never been issued a suspension.
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nope. "technically" and you can look up the meaning, technically it is not a suspension. You can use the word 'figuratively' if you like.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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Then take that to the American Society discussion boards, this is a Peterson status update thread.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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No it isn't. Football is not banking.
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...and if I did play your little reindeer game on real work vs. football. Those 8 weeks would be half a year in the real world.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Jerry Curl said:
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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Uhhh, no where even close to the same thing. A banker and an NFL player who is unionized and operates under a CBA? According to the CBA, he is not getting an accrued season, so yes technically he is suspended even though he has never been issued a suspension.
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nope. "technically" and you can look up the meaning, technically it is not a suspension. You can use the word 'figuratively' if you like.
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He is not getting his season under his belt and is forcefully not allowed to play the game. You are right, that sounds nothing like a suspension, technically.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Shutout said:
nastynate said:
He definitely did wrong, but how much do people want to punish him? He's already missed 8 games -- he's likely to miss another with the NFL's lag time, and the likelihood he'll have to meet with Goodell before being reinstated.

Make the guy give back 6 game checks, to be consistent with the policies you've just put in place, and let him play.

Agree with his lawyer that his situation should be taken on its own (and so do NFL players who piled on Rice quickly, but did just the opposite to Peterson).
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That's the issue. Policy says "6 game suspension". He was never suspended. So paying the money is only half the policy (suspension including a loss of pay).

What happened is like a guy in a bank being put on administrative leave while they look at the books. He sits at home with his paycheck. Three weeks later the audit is over and he comes back, with no findings. He was never suspended. He didn't lose paychecks. He basically got a free vacation. That is what has happened to Peterson. THe difference being is that a regular guy works a lot of years and a RB has a shorter window. But that is what happened. No suspension or loss of paychecks have occurred and to be "punished", both must play out.
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No it isn't. Football is not banking.
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you're right. it's much higher profile than banking. any business where you are being paid to use your reputation as a front to a business, it's well within the rights of the proprietor to levy penalties for bad behavior that are commensurate with public outrage. if you don't like those high profile terms, then go be a banker.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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Please take your moral cry baby whine to the other Peterson thread.

 
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.

 
Jerry%20Curl said:
He is not getting his season under his belt and is forcefully not allowed to play the game. You are right, that sounds nothing like a suspension, technically.
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I don't think that his inactive status should be taken into account when debating if Peterson is "suspended". After all, there are hundreds of players every week who are "forcefully not allowed to play the game", yet none of them are considered to be suspended.

 
I think the most likely (and logical) scenario is that Goodell will fine him six game checks and count the games on the exempt list as time served. Court of public opinion is on AP's side and that is the single biggest factor here IMO.

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
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How does Mort's comments apply to Peterson? Is he saying that the no contest plea being accepted is irrelevant and that he wants to impose discipline based on his own interpretation of the facts?

 
LawFitz said:
I think the most likely (and logical) scenario is that Goodell will fine him six game checks and count the games on the exempt list as time served. Court of public opinion is on AP's side and that is the single biggest factor here IMO.
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I know we're all thinking that but the NFL just can't fine a player 3.5 or however millions he made while on the special (made up) exempt list. Theres a limit they can fine up too; but then again their making this up as they go. I'm sure if they do bring down a 3plus million fine he'll appeal it.

I'm sure the Vikings also want to do something quickly, they probably don't want to pay this guy 11plus million to sit at home now that this is over.

I don't approve of what he did but I do think he doesn't know better until know; should he know better... hell yes and I think missing these games and going though the legal system publically like he did is enough.

 
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Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
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Guy is a ####### moron and just doesn't get it. Not saying you always do what people expect but everyone expected 6-8 games and he gave him 2. Even 4 would have taken the volume down some when the video came out. It's pretty transparent that he was acting out of favor toward the Ravens. The REAL problem Roger is YOU. Take yourself out of the disciplinary process and have a set standard for these issues instead of treating them as brush fires.
 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
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This has me concerned... I've been worried all along about Goodell. It would be just like him to double down on his stupidity with yet another bad decision. Gun to my head, I predict Roger will suspend AP for 6 games, starting now and going forward, meaning that AP doesn't play until week 17. I'm still picking up Peterson and rolling the dice, but I'm not as optimistic as I was yesterday. Hope I am wrong, but I seem to have a pretty good track record when it comes to reading Goodell.
 
LawFitz said:
I think the most likely (and logical) scenario is that Goodell will fine him six game checks and count the games on the exempt list as time served. Court of public opinion is on AP's side and that is the single biggest factor here IMO.
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IS the public on AP's side? I'm not so sure. Its been out of sight, out of mind since he went on the suspended list. Things have quieted down and people are interested in whats going on on the field. I would think even if there is vocal support for AP, the last thing Goodell wants is the controversy to explode in the media.

 
mbuehner said:
LawFitz said:
I think the most likely (and logical) scenario is that Goodell will fine him six game checks and count the games on the exempt list as time served. Court of public opinion is on AP's side and that is the single biggest factor here IMO.
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IS the public on AP's side? I'm not so sure. Its been out of sight, out of mind since he went on the suspended list. Things have quieted down and people are interested in whats going on on the field. I would think even if there is vocal support for AP, the last thing Goodell wants is the controversy to explode in the media.
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In Minnesota, when the photos were first released the poll was running something along the lines of 80/20 of having ADP NEVER play for the Vikings again.. Yesterday the poll showed it close to 80/20 the other way.. :shrug:

 
Isotopes said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
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How does Mort's comments apply to Peterson? Is he saying that the no contest plea being accepted is irrelevant and that he wants to impose discipline based on his own interpretation of the facts?
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I think it's exactly what it sounds like, no more and no less: The league's decision on discipline is not tied to the legal system's decision on discipline. This is something I said multiple times when this story first broke. It was foolish then to think that Goodell's decision would ever be significantly based on the outcome of Peterson's trial, and it's still foolish to think that just because Peterson pled down to community service in court, and because he's been on paid administrative leave since September, that the league can't or won't move forward with disciplinary action. They certainly can; whether they will remains to be seen, but I'm not as optimistic as many here that Peterson will be back on the field in a week or two.

The idea that public sentiment has somehow changed on this issue in the past eight weeks is a bit short-sighted, imo. Nothing's happened in the past week (or past six weeks, really) to get the public riled up, but that doesn't mean people don't feel as strongly about child abuse now as they did in September. The massive public outcry that had major sponsors taking a stand came after the Vikings tried to reinstate Peterson in week 3 or whatever it was. Who's to say that there won't be a similar outcry if Goodell tries to reinstate Peterson next week without ever really handing down a suspension?

This has always been about PR, optics, public opinion, etc. And the whole "give us six game checks and we'll count your suspension as time served" isn't really the look the NFL is going for these days.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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Star treatment in professional sports? Is that what you're suggesting?

:sarcasm:

 
snogger said:
mbuehner said:
LawFitz said:
I think the most likely (and logical) scenario is that Goodell will fine him six game checks and count the games on the exempt list as time served. Court of public opinion is on AP's side and that is the single biggest factor here IMO.
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IS the public on AP's side? I'm not so sure. Its been out of sight, out of mind since he went on the suspended list. Things have quieted down and people are interested in whats going on on the field. I would think even if there is vocal support for AP, the last thing Goodell wants is the controversy to explode in the media.
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In Minnesota, when the photos were first released the poll was running something along the lines of 80/20 of having ADP NEVER play for the Vikings again.. Yesterday the poll showed it close to 80/20 the other way.. :shrug:
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Neither of those results is really surprising.

What would a poll show if Peterson is reinstated and the photos pop up all over the media again next week?

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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If he was a third string guy, nobody would have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity status cost him here, it's didn't help him.

 
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gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
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:lmao:

What a truly dumb take on the situation.

 
Dizzy said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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Star treatment in professional sports? Is that what you're suggesting?

:sarcasm:
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Dizzy said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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Star treatment in professional sports? Is that what you're suggesting?

:sarcasm:
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The star treatment is working against him here. No way if he was some nobody practice squad player that he would have been out this long.

 
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
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Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Isotopes said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
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According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
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How does Mort's comments apply to Peterson? Is he saying that the no contest plea being accepted is irrelevant and that he wants to impose discipline based on his own interpretation of the facts?
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I think it's exactly what it sounds like, no more and no less: The league's decision on discipline is not tied to the legal system's decision on discipline. This is something I said multiple times when this story first broke. It was foolish then to think that Goodell's decision would ever be significantly based on the outcome of Peterson's trial, and it's still foolish to think that just because Peterson pled down to community service in court, and because he's been on paid administrative leave since September, that the league can't or won't move forward with disciplinary action. They certainly can; whether they will remains to be seen, but I'm not as optimistic as many here that Peterson will be back on the field in a week or two.

The idea that public sentiment has somehow changed on this issue in the past eight weeks is a bit short-sighted, imo. Nothing's happened in the past week (or past six weeks, really) to get the public riled up, but that doesn't mean people don't feel as strongly about child abuse now as they did in September. The massive public outcry that had major sponsors taking a stand came after the Vikings tried to reinstate Peterson in week 3 or whatever it was. Who's to say that there won't be a similar outcry if Goodell tries to reinstate Peterson next week without ever really handing down a suspension?

This has always been about PR, optics, public opinion, etc. And the whole "give us six game checks and we'll count your suspension as time served" isn't really the look the NFL is going for these days.
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As you point out it is entirely conceivable that Goodell could independently impose whatever punishment he sees fit and that could be significant.

However, I do think your analysis is entirely dismissive of the eight games already sacrificed. Regardless of whether Peterson got paid or not. This is HUGE punishment already doled out to both the team and Peterson. Goodell has to somehow take the this into account.

Here is a good analysis by Ed Werder of ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11826040/next-steps-outlined-case-adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings

The very last sentence referring to how the Ray Rice incident may influence ADP is quite important, IMO. To paraphrase "The league must careful to avoid the whole double jeopardy thing they are facing in the Ray Rice case."

 
Since no one knows whats going to happen ill chime in. Peterson will be banned forever, become an outcast from society and be living under the overpass in LA in 3 months.

 
Run It Up said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
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If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
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:lmao:

What a truly dumb take on the situation.
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How is that dumb. It is true. The timing couldn't have been worse for AP on the heels of the Ray Rice incident. Ultimately, the AP situation almost became a bit of a witch hunt. In the end he got charged with a misdemeanor and if he had gone to court likely would have beat the charges altogether.

The league wasn't going to suspend him initially they were going to wait for the court case but they gave in to all the public and political backlash. If Peterson were some scrub their wouldn't have been all that outcry and he likely would have been allowed to keep playing until it was settled in court. And based on the plea agreement he likely would have got one or two games max.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.
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Not the same. His case is much more clear cut domestic abuse and he will be convicted of a domestic abuse crime.

 
gradin123 said:
Run It Up said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
:lmao:

What a truly dumb take on the situation.
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How is that dumb. It is true. The timing couldn't have been worse for AP on the heels of the Ray Rice incident. Ultimately, the AP situation almost became a bit of a witch hunt. In the end he got charged with a misdemeanor and if he had gone to court likely would have beat the charges altogether.

The league wasn't going to suspend him initially they were going to wait for the court case but they gave in to all the public and political backlash. If Peterson were some scrub their wouldn't have been all that outcry and he likely would have been allowed to keep playing until it was settled in court. And based on the plea agreement he likely would have got one or two games max.
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I am going to agree with the "truly dumb" take on this....had AP been a scrub this would have been a non-story. Thumbs up gradin123.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.
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Dwyer broke his wife's nose with a head butt. He returned the next day and punched her again. Ray Rice viciously punched his fiancée in the head and left her on the ground without immediately calling for help.

It has nothing to do with his name or talent on the field. There is a huge difference between violently striking a person in the face/head with a high chance they are killed than what allegedly happened between Peterson and his child.

 
tjnc09 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.
Click to expand...
Dwyer broke his wife's nose with a head butt. He returned the next day and punched her again. Ray Rice viciously punched his fiancée in the head and left her on the ground without immediately calling for help.

It has nothing to do with his name or talent on the field. There is a huge difference between violently striking a person in the face/head with a high chance they are killed than what allegedly happened between Peterson and his child.
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Allegedly, lmfao.

 
tjnc09 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.
Click to expand...
Dwyer broke his wife's nose with a head butt. He returned the next day and punched her again. Ray Rice viciously punched his fiancée in the head and left her on the ground without immediately calling for help.

It has nothing to do with his name or talent on the field. There is a huge difference between violently striking a person in the face/head with a high chance they are killed than what allegedly happened between Peterson and his child.
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You guys sure consult your quick and handy sliding scale for domestic abuse crimes. Wish I had one of those to hang my moral compass on.

 
PhantomJB said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Isotopes said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.

For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
Click to expand...
According to Mort on ESPN radio this morning, Goodell feels that the big mistake he made in the Ray Rice case was letting the legal outcome inform the league's decision on discipline, and he won't do that again.
Click to expand...
How does Mort's comments apply to Peterson? Is he saying that the no contest plea being accepted is irrelevant and that he wants to impose discipline based on his own interpretation of the facts?
Click to expand...
I think it's exactly what it sounds like, no more and no less: The league's decision on discipline is not tied to the legal system's decision on discipline. This is something I said multiple times when this story first broke. It was foolish then to think that Goodell's decision would ever be significantly based on the outcome of Peterson's trial, and it's still foolish to think that just because Peterson pled down to community service in court, and because he's been on paid administrative leave since September, that the league can't or won't move forward with disciplinary action. They certainly can; whether they will remains to be seen, but I'm not as optimistic as many here that Peterson will be back on the field in a week or two.

The idea that public sentiment has somehow changed on this issue in the past eight weeks is a bit short-sighted, imo. Nothing's happened in the past week (or past six weeks, really) to get the public riled up, but that doesn't mean people don't feel as strongly about child abuse now as they did in September. The massive public outcry that had major sponsors taking a stand came after the Vikings tried to reinstate Peterson in week 3 or whatever it was. Who's to say that there won't be a similar outcry if Goodell tries to reinstate Peterson next week without ever really handing down a suspension?

This has always been about PR, optics, public opinion, etc. And the whole "give us six game checks and we'll count your suspension as time served" isn't really the look the NFL is going for these days.
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As you point out it is entirely conceivable that Goodell could independently impose whatever punishment he sees fit and that could be significant.

However, I do think your analysis is entirely dismissive of the eight games already sacrificed. Regardless of whether Peterson got paid or not. This is HUGE punishment already doled out to both the team and Peterson. Goodell has to somehow take the this into account.

Here is a good analysis by Ed Werder of ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11826040/next-steps-outlined-case-adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings

The very last sentence referring to how the Ray Rice incident may influence ADP is quite important, IMO. To paraphrase "The league must careful to avoid the whole double jeopardy thing they are facing in the Ray Rice case."
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One other thought here - the NFL wants to distinguish what happened to Rice. The NFL story was that he was dishonest and the NFL did not know the whole story and that was why they lowered the boom the second time. The straight up penalty was 2 games, then expanded to 6 based on policy (which would apply to AP), but then made indefinite on the basis that Rice had deceived. No such issue exists here. The NFL will maintain its line here, which Rog just got through personally testifying to a judge about.

The difficulty here is the time already sat out (8 games already) vs some monetary penalty (none so far). A settlement will have to be reached, that's where Hardin an A-Plus national attorney comes in, that's his (and any attorney's) bread and butter.

 
Ladsud said:
Since no one knows whats going to happen ill chime in. Peterson will be banned forever, become an outcast from society and be living under the overpass in LA in 3 months.
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Overpass? He seems like he has the physique to handle an alley.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
tjnc09 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
gradin123 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
The wave of responses on this guy is hilarious. If this was some 3rd string guy fresh off the practice squad, most of you would be fine with letting him sit or get kicked out of the league. But we can loosen the rules as it applies to stud RB's. Nice message to send to society.
Click to expand...
If he was a thrid string guy, nobody wouyld have noticed he got charged at all and he already would have been back playing. AP's celebrity satatus cost him here, it's didn't help him.
Click to expand...
Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for aggravated assault earlier this year, put on the Reserve/NFI list. His career is on life support if not over now. He's a nobody. No one is ringing up public support for him. If anything, Peterson's celebrity works in his favor.
Click to expand...
Dwyer broke his wife's nose with a head butt. He returned the next day and punched her again. Ray Rice viciously punched his fiancée in the head and left her on the ground without immediately calling for help.It has nothing to do with his name or talent on the field. There is a huge difference between violently striking a person in the face/head with a high chance they are killed than what allegedly happened between Peterson and his child.
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You guys sure consult your quick and handy sliding scale for domestic abuse crimes. Wish I had one of those to hang my moral compass on.
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Hey this is getting too close to Child Rea in here. None of that.
 
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Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I think it's exactly what it sounds like, no more and no less: The league's decision on discipline is not tied to the legal system's decision on discipline. This is something I said multiple times when this story first broke. It was foolish then to think that Goodell's decision would ever be significantly based on the outcome of Peterson's trial, and it's still foolish to think that just because Peterson pled down to community service in court, and because he's been on paid administrative leave since September, that the league can't or won't move forward with disciplinary action. They certainly can; whether they will remains to be seen, but I'm not as optimistic as many here that Peterson will be back on the field in a week or two.The idea that public sentiment has somehow changed on this issue in the past eight weeks is a bit short-sighted, imo. Nothing's happened in the past week (or past six weeks, really) to get the public riled up, but that doesn't mean people don't feel as strongly about child abuse now as they did in September. The massive public outcry that had major sponsors taking a stand came after the Vikings tried to reinstate Peterson in week 3 or whatever it was. Who's to say that there won't be a similar outcry if Goodell tries to reinstate Peterson next week without ever really handing down a suspension?

This has always been about PR, optics, public opinion, etc. And the whole "give us six game checks and we'll count your suspension as time served" isn't really the look the NFL is going for these days.
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As I pointed out when this story first broke, the public doesn't care what happened last week. Peterson went through court, paid the price of missing 8 games and it's boring to the public now.

 
You guys sure consult your quick and handy sliding scale for domestic abuse crimes. Wish I had one of those to hang my moral compass on.
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IN-TEN-TION.

You can say it, go ahead and try.

 
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