Franknbeans
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whatever happened to not hitting a Qb low? Oh, only if it's Brady.
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3C's
Footballguy
Also interesting. Tomlin seemed upbeat, team hopeful of no ACL tear, and this:
Team knows before the MRI
Still could be other serious injuries besides ACL but lets hope the Steelers hope is found to be true.
Team knows before the MRI
Still could be other serious injuries besides ACL but lets hope the Steelers hope is found to be true.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
When I saw it my first thought was lower leg, but his grabbing the knee made it obvious what hurt. The angle of the hit says that since it IS the knee, the lower leg absorbed a lot of it and an MCL injury looks likely. It wasn't from behind and the knee didn't fold so ACL should be OK. My first guess was a mid-grade MCL sprain and he is out 2-6 weeks pre medical exam and MRI. Medical examiner having nothing conclusive gives me hope it's only a 1-2 week injury, but I'm still prepared to hear a 4-6 week. VERY outside chance that this is a season-ender for the Steelers unless Vick sucks so bad that he can lose our season in just a few games.
3C's
Footballguy
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 5m5 minutes ago
David J. Chao, MD retweeted Adam Schefter
#BigBen Consistent with what the video showed. Grade 2/3 MCL. Hope no meniscus or nothing else.
Adam Schefter Verified account @AdamSchefter
Ben Roethlisberger expected to miss at least 4 weeks with knee injury, source tells ESPN. He will undergo an MRI Monday; hoping ACL intact.
David J. Chao, MD retweeted Adam Schefter
#BigBen Consistent with what the video showed. Grade 2/3 MCL. Hope no meniscus or nothing else.
Adam Schefter Verified account @AdamSchefter
Ben Roethlisberger expected to miss at least 4 weeks with knee injury, source tells ESPN. He will undergo an MRI Monday; hoping ACL intact.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Well yeah, he played the full gamut of options.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Entertaining for who? Redskins fans?
timschochet
Footballguy
So if Vick goes down, it's Landry Jones?
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
From the Ben injury thread:
1. @ NE L
2. vs SF W
3. @ StL W
4. vs BAL W They look like crap without Suggs
5. @ SD W Can not protect Rivers. Out of linemen. Minnesota just crushed them.
6. vs ARI L They are too good to beat with Vick. Could beat them at home, but Ben WON'T be ready.
7. @ KC L A tough stadium and a rising Chiefs team that should be a deceivingly tough 3-3 team.
8. vs CIN L I expect them to have a strangle hold on the division title after this game. If Ben is back he won't be very mobile or stepping into throws with confidence. Full strength Ben by week 10 at best.
9. vs OAK W/L Tough to call this one. If Aldon Smith is shelved, it'll help but their pass rush is solid and Amari Cooper is already a star in just his 3rd pro game. Crabtree is a very solid #2 and L. Murray looks good behind an underrated O line. With Vick, I only give us a chance because they have to come all the way across the country. If Ben is starting his 1st game back, I think it's close. If he played prior to this week, I think we win easy. A crossroads game for us.
10. vs CLE W Jets pounded them and the Raiders just beat them in their own house. Manziel might be QB by then. Ben will likely be back for this game. May not be himself quite yet, but a bye following this game is perfect timing.
That's 5-5 or 6-4 going into a bye week. Coming out of that we should be just about full strength.
12. @ SEA L
13. vs IND W
14. @ CIN W
15. vs DEN W
16. @ BAL W
17. @ CLE W
So, 10-6 or 9-7 by my estimation. This stretch without Ben is going to be crucial. We can still squeak into the playoffs (I don't expect 5 straight wins to finish), but it should be tight. This week vs Baltimore and the game at home vs Oakland are IMO the most pivotal games.
So, for the season...
1. @ NE L
2. vs SF W
3. @ StL W
4. vs BAL W They look like crap without Suggs
5. @ SD W Can not protect Rivers. Out of linemen. Minnesota just crushed them.
6. vs ARI L They are too good to beat with Vick. Could beat them at home, but Ben WON'T be ready.
7. @ KC L A tough stadium and a rising Chiefs team that should be a deceivingly tough 3-3 team.
8. vs CIN L I expect them to have a strangle hold on the division title after this game. If Ben is back he won't be very mobile or stepping into throws with confidence. Full strength Ben by week 10 at best.
9. vs OAK W/L Tough to call this one. If Aldon Smith is shelved, it'll help but their pass rush is solid and Amari Cooper is already a star in just his 3rd pro game. Crabtree is a very solid #2 and L. Murray looks good behind an underrated O line. With Vick, I only give us a chance because they have to come all the way across the country. If Ben is starting his 1st game back, I think it's close. If he played prior to this week, I think we win easy. A crossroads game for us.
10. vs CLE W Jets pounded them and the Raiders just beat them in their own house. Manziel might be QB by then. Ben will likely be back for this game. May not be himself quite yet, but a bye following this game is perfect timing.
That's 5-5 or 6-4 going into a bye week. Coming out of that we should be just about full strength.
12. @ SEA L
13. vs IND W
14. @ CIN W
15. vs DEN W
16. @ BAL W
17. @ CLE W
So, 10-6 or 9-7 by my estimation. This stretch without Ben is going to be crucial. We can still squeak into the playoffs (I don't expect 5 straight wins to finish), but it should be tight. This week vs Baltimore and the game at home vs Oakland are IMO the most pivotal games.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Is Kurt Warner available?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Right now, yes. And Mike Vick's style makes him prone to being hit -- we could be entering the Landry Jones era quicker than anyone imagined.timschochet said:
A quick look at free agent QB's: Matt Flynn, Tyler Thigpen, and T.J. Yates. I'm sure there are others but this is an ugly list. It might be time to give Charlie Batch a ring...
steelers1080
Footballguy
We need our D to step up big and generate turnovers. Good Defense, running the ball, and winning the turnover battle is the only way we win games without Ben in.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
run the option an option?
maybe single wing with AB in the backfield?
maybe single wing with AB in the backfield?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Does this update mean no ACL injury?
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/UPDATE-Head-coach-Mike-Tomlin-statement-on-Ben-Roethlisberger/244a0610-b883-4f96-9ac4-56698752e63d
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/UPDATE-Head-coach-Mike-Tomlin-statement-on-Ben-Roethlisberger/244a0610-b883-4f96-9ac4-56698752e63d
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It sure sounds like it. Tomlin's presser is today because of the short week. Hopefully there will be more information available then.
Copeman
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree, he didn't look real good yesterday. I assume the Ravens are going to stack the line to shut down Bell. It could open up things for the receivers -- if Vick can hit them.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
good lord this season is starting to have a feel of going into the ####ter. To no fault of the team. Just ridiculously bad luck.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes. The Steelers enjoyed a very quiet off season but things have not been going the Steelers way since training camp
This is certainly going to be the case early. Hopefully a couple of play action deep completions (which Vick can do better than anything else these days) balances the defense.
I'm thinking Vick gets comfortable with the offense right about the time that Bryant comes back.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I wonder if Tomlin still elects to go for 2 after the first TD. Do the percentages still favor that option even with Vick at QB?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
You could make an argument that Vick's running ability adds a dimension to the 2-pt conversion play. But he isn't anywhere close to Ben as a passer so overall I would say they probably won't be going for 2 for a while unless they need to at the end of the game.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I'm just wondering from a pure statistical standpoint if it makes sense to go for 2 regardless of how crappy your QB is. I don't know the percentages and most coaches don't practice what Tomlin has been doing. But most coaches may not be playing the odds correctly.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Makes sense to me. As GB said, the odds of making a 2 with Vick back there may not even be reduced at all. I guess we'll find out (assuming he can even get them into the endzone).
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
The 2pt thing is also some ok psychology. If you make it it can deflate your opponent some and if you miss it still sort of shows you're players they are going out there to play aggressive and win and not conservative not to lose.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Other Steelers injury news:
3C's
Footballguy
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Gotta imagine a best case scenario is 4 weeks out and 2-2 over that period.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Yeah big difference between this being a 4 game injury or 6 game injury with Cincy being game 5. Either way if we can pull out of this .500 by the time Ben comes back ill be pretty happy.Idiot Boxer said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Me too. Going to be tough with Vick though. What really scares me is that Vick has been a turnover machine -- that's the one thing the Steelers cannot afford.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yeah Vick can make the throws and can certainly get the ball deep but he makes very, very poor decisions. He holds onto the ball too long and has poor accuracy. I want him to just be a game manager but that isn't happening.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Spence made a few nice plays.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Biggest reason I did not like this signing when it happened: If Vick were forced into action, and now he has been, the Steelers' defense isn't good enough for the amount of times Vick is likely to hand the ball over to the other team.
Most likely gonna be ugly.
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Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Yeah. A lot of my friends didn't like the Vick signing for off the field reasons. I didn't like it for on the field reasons. He's not a good fit for our offense. I'd rather have Matt Cassel or Jimmy Clausen running our offense right now. A left-handed risk taker isn't what we need.
Just gotta try to stay afloat.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
That begs a really ugly questiontoo...
How short is Vick's leash. I think they may have to go to Landry if he struggles.
How short is Vick's leash. I think they may have to go to Landry if he struggles.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
The defense is probably somewhere in between the Pats game and the 9ers/Rams games but it is much better than I expected. They have talented athletes that are starting to become football players.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
You would not want Clausen running the offense. Not a defense of Vick but that's just a bad statement. I thought Landry actually made some good reads during preseason but was hurt by the derelict talent he was throwing to. I expect a lot of screens to AB and a high volume amount of carries to Bell/DeAngelo even if the score isn't in our favor.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Clausen is a better fit, imo, for this offense in the short term than Vick. Not saying he's a better player. Chicago is a dumpster fire. He'd do much better behind our line with our skill players.
3C's
Footballguy
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