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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (4 Viewers)
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He can be slowed down....you have to be able to pass....
[Rich Eisen Show]: “Zeke Number is the floor.” Derrick Henry told us what he’s expecting come #NFL free agency
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This is basically 4 years 60 mil, 15 per. After that, no one expects him to make the same amount.zeeshan2 said:
The top runner in a market should be able to ask for the top money, he's not wrong.
The Titans have been riding a cap where they don't spend 18 mil avg per year and can easily afford it but many believe it's a purposeful gap that teams in smaller (NYC) markets use. It WILL come up in the CBA again. Regardless of the gap, they can afford it with 22 free agents and 100? 90? mil available
Do they want to pay a RB that much? It's the worst position and the worst market in pro sports. The dime a dozen mentality is so real it's awful.
As was said when Gordon was doing his thing- 10-12 mil for 5 years is a good deal, good life and they'll greatly increase that with endorsements. Changing teams hurts their endorsements a ton. Henry should be mindful that he doesn't necessarily have to follow the market, be a trendsetter, or do a darn thing other than get paid and be happy.
As many have said, it's just more reasonable to tag him a couple time. He gets paid top 5 and if he gets hurt or doesn't produce they can get out from under it.
Titans fans finally got to the AFCG after years where it felt like the Titans were the Browns. Henry was a big reason why and NOT bringing him back would be a big "dig" at the fanbase. Fan wise, the Titans almost have to bring back Tannehill and Henry.
Running left behind Lewan took a hit this year, but it is still the best spot to run in the NFL over the last four years.
What a difficult off-season for the Titans. You got the whole Tannehill situation. Did he show enough to earn trust on a long term commitment and if not he's probably getting $27M on franchise deal.
Then with Henry you got someone they've been slow to warm up to themselves. They offered him at trade deadline in 2018. Have at this point made him no contract offer. Elliot is probably the closest thing to a success in terms of a RB getting a big second payday that we currently have in the league but no team right now, even Dallas, relies on their RB more then the Titans.
Even if they retain them both you are looking at a situation were two players they only had to commit $4m in cap space to last year probably running them closer to $40M in cap space in 2020. They got the cap space for it, losing Mariotta's $20M is huge, but man I'd hate to be the decision maker on that team right now and looking at committing so much more money to these two but don't see how they afford to lose either of them without viable backup plans.
Then with Henry you got someone they've been slow to warm up to themselves. They offered him at trade deadline in 2018. Have at this point made him no contract offer. Elliot is probably the closest thing to a success in terms of a RB getting a big second payday that we currently have in the league but no team right now, even Dallas, relies on their RB more then the Titans.
Even if they retain them both you are looking at a situation were two players they only had to commit $4m in cap space to last year probably running them closer to $40M in cap space in 2020. They got the cap space for it, losing Mariotta's $20M is huge, but man I'd hate to be the decision maker on that team right now and looking at committing so much more money to these two but don't see how they afford to lose either of them without viable backup plans.
Tannehill switched to same agent as Henry.
Two schools of thought- sign us both so we can stick together or give Tannehill the $ and tell Titans fans we had same agent tried to work it out.
It's easy to find cheap RBs not easy to find good cheap QBs so if it's one or the other Tannehill has a big advantage.
Two schools of thought- sign us both so we can stick together or give Tannehill the $ and tell Titans fans we had same agent tried to work it out.
It's easy to find cheap RBs not easy to find good cheap QBs so if it's one or the other Tannehill has a big advantage.
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King of the Jungle
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He has been phenomenal over the last 21 regular season games. If the Titans have the answer of what the difference was (compared to before this stretch) I would understand them paying him (not agree but understand). As a GM I just don't see how you set the bar with a running back contract these days. They have a solid surrounding cast and this is a decent draft to find an RB.
JohnnyU
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Even though I said I would be surprised if he wasn't a Titan in 2020, I agree with you. There is no way I would invest a lot of money in a RB. It's been proven to be a bad investment and like you said, this is a good draft to find a RB and a rookie contract for a good RB makes more sense in team building.
King of the Jungle
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And it is really too bad for those guys as running back has really become a thankless position. But from a business/financial perspective it just doesn't make good sense. The other factor in TEN is the fanbase. As a business with ticketholders you do need to be conscious of your fans to some degree. Not sure what the climate is on Henry in regards to Titan fans but I am sure after seeing his production on the field this season they would like him in uniform. And maybe both sides can come to a reasonable contract that appeases everyone. Maybe some market setting performance escalators to provide the opportunity to get more money is the starting point for these guys. Otherwise eventually everyone will just be done paying this position because it just never seems to work out.
Dr. Octopus
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The way to go for both sides may be to get a decent signing bonus and first year salary but set the rest up as basically a series of one year contracts. Obviously that's not ideal for the player but if they continue to perform well they can keep getting paid while starting off with a decent nest egg. It's not really fair for a RB but the reality is RBs don't age very well.
JohnnyU
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There's a decent amount of Titans fans in Alabama (too many falcons fans too, but I get it), we love the guy. 
Rig24
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MJD really going out there on a limb. Haven't seen any rankings with Henry in the top 5.
Leroy Hoard
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Never liked him as an analyst. Always seems to be trying to make some big statement that really isn't a big statement.
Leroy Hoard
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In redraft I consider him still in a contract year, should have another solid season with consistency at QB.
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Thrilled he is back.
The problem with franchise tag is that makes the player money hungry the following year (although idk if they can tag twice in this CBA) and if he wanted Zeke money now, he'll want more next year.
There's already talk of a holdout and how the Titans should sign him long-term but the RB market really does favor the Titans choice to go with one year here. It's sad for backs but they burn out quick. As far as the holdout stuff, he hasn't said squat. "His people" though do bring up a great point- best HS RB ever, arguably one of the best college runners and he had to get paid as a 2nd rounder. Now after he leads the league in rushing and takes the Titans to the AFCG, he is about paid like a 2nd rounder again.
Most NFL teams do not have 15 mil available in late July. There are usually 3-4 bad teams that won't spend the cap that do and they almost never make a move because it'd be using that cap. There's late offseason trade talk but I think there's no way that happens.
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I still expect the back from BC to be drafted by the Titans. He was getting his share of publicity and rising up draft boards til the CV hit. I like Derrick Henry not light and Henry .90 nicknames. If a big monster back that isn't shifty enough and has questionable hands can fall just enough he's a lock to be a Titan. That's gonna be "lookout NFL" if the Titans can pull that off. If they can't and suppose he goes in the first round, then that would translate as he profited off Henry's success while Henry didn't. He's a real interesting rook to be
The problem with franchise tag is that makes the player money hungry the following year (although idk if they can tag twice in this CBA) and if he wanted Zeke money now, he'll want more next year.
There's already talk of a holdout and how the Titans should sign him long-term but the RB market really does favor the Titans choice to go with one year here. It's sad for backs but they burn out quick. As far as the holdout stuff, he hasn't said squat. "His people" though do bring up a great point- best HS RB ever, arguably one of the best college runners and he had to get paid as a 2nd rounder. Now after he leads the league in rushing and takes the Titans to the AFCG, he is about paid like a 2nd rounder again.
Most NFL teams do not have 15 mil available in late July. There are usually 3-4 bad teams that won't spend the cap that do and they almost never make a move because it'd be using that cap. There's late offseason trade talk but I think there's no way that happens.
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I still expect the back from BC to be drafted by the Titans. He was getting his share of publicity and rising up draft boards til the CV hit. I like Derrick Henry not light and Henry .90 nicknames. If a big monster back that isn't shifty enough and has questionable hands can fall just enough he's a lock to be a Titan. That's gonna be "lookout NFL" if the Titans can pull that off. If they can't and suppose he goes in the first round, then that would translate as he profited off Henry's success while Henry didn't. He's a real interesting rook to be
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kutta
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I own Henry and don't think I'd give him up even for that. I am in a "win now" mode though, so I just can't handle the thought of trading him and having him go nuts next year.
kutta
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It's so strange. I agree with you. If I had the 1.01 I wouldn't trade it for him either.
But I own Henry and wouldn't accept the 1.01 for him.
What the hell does that mean? That we over value what we own?
Hankmoody
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Well you don't have the 1.01 so you can't really be certain you'd refuse Henry for it.
There's also the fear-of-failure factor. Sitting tight is easy on big decisions and if you're wrong in 6 months it's a lot easier to live with. I have a friend that has said many times "I won't trade because I'm afraid to get it wrong". I keep telling him he might be getting it wrong by sitting tight and every time he just replies "the devil you know" which I don't even think is the correct use of that phrase.
I think he's a situational one - if you're win now he's worth the 1.01 because he's young enough that it could still pay long term and there's just enough risk with rookies that taking his sure points is attractive.
voiceofunreason
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I own Henry in 2 leagues. I'd take the 1.01 for him.
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voiceofunreason
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Smart move with the uncertainty right now.
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