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Thomas Rawls, RB, CMU/Seahawks (1 Viewer)

Arodin said:
This is where those "Im starting Rawls over..." threads are useful.

At this point, barring any setbacks I plan on rolling with Rawls week 1.  My first alternate would be Crowell or Duke.
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I've got Lacy, Ingram, and Zeek (start up to 3 with my flex spot, with some decent WR options).  Currently I'm benching Ingram and rolling with Lacy, Zeek and Rawls, but that could change really fast. 

 
tombonneau said:
Yeah but come on man. That's almost a month for these defenses. You & I could go out there and roll up 80 versus those gassed Ds. Nothing to see here ...
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If it were that easy, teams would all rotate their starting and reserve backs every four weeks to keep them fresh...

 
Dead legs and no film, what's the next excuse to dismiss Rawls? He stole a purse at the casino in college? Top rb in a very rb friendly system, no brainier. So maybe you had to spend a 10th for a handcuff. Rookies not showing early, no worries here. 

 
Boone22 said:
Interesting. Nobody's saying this about David Johnson. 
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DJ  at least has some talent though ...Rawls is JAG. Basically a poor man's CJ Anderson.  Although if you subscribe to Hawkmail(tm) you'd know DJ isn't worth being drafted at his ADP either

 
The Seattle Times' Bob Condotta says it's "never been in dispute" that Thomas Rawls (ankle) is the Seahawks' starter "when healthy."
More interestingly, Condotta says Rawls takes the first-team handoffs in Seahawks practice, ahead of Christine Michael. Although Michael has run almost exclusively with the ones in preseason games, Rawls is the favorite to lead Seattle in Week 1 carries assuming his ankle is cooperative. Another beat writer previously predicted Rawls would handle 15 carries in Week 1, and Michael 7.

Related: Christine Michael
 
Source: Bob Condotta on Twitter 
Aug 31 - 8:25 PM
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Dan Lambskin said:
Look up Doug Martin's second year and let me know how that went 
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Look up Doug martins team, Oline, qb, supporting cast. Defense, game script, etc. Jag or not he's the number one back on a favorable offense. I doubt they take a step back. Rawls isn't a jag in my opinion, he would have been drafted if it weren't for his bonehead purse stealing. And probably not in the 7th either, more like 3-4th round. 

 
With prosise being behind from missing time I wouldn't be surprised if Rawls caught some passes in the first 6 weeks either. 

 
Magic_Man said:
That is such a detailed response.
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I think you'd have to give a lot to pry him away from most people but if you owned him people likely aren't giving what you want in return. I had offers floated to me all summer for him, but no one offered anything all that valuable. If you want him, this is probably the lowest his value will be unless he totally flops. If he is as good as last year his value will skyrocket as soon as week 1 hits.

 
Snorkelson said:
I think you'd have to give a lot to pry him away from most people but if you owned him people likely aren't giving what you want in return. I had offers floated to me all summer for him, but no one offered anything all that valuable. If you want him, this is probably the lowest his value will be unless he totally flops. If he is as good as last year his value will skyrocket as soon as week 1 hits.
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What would you want for him?

 
Magic_Man said:
In a PPR? I think that would be too much.
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SayWhat? said:
Yeah, if ppr that's about a Langford and 1/2 Allen too much.
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Snorkelson said:
I agree, Allen straight up though isn't such a stretch. I wouldn't do it for anyone in the Cobb-Marshall range, not DT, none of the rookie wrs, 
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Allen straight up wouldn't be enough for me. The value I lose at RB vs the production I gain with Allen over my WR (lowest starter) would be too much of a loss if I were to trade Rawls straight up. The waiver wire is so bleak at RB. 

 
Snorkelson said:
I agree, Allen straight up though isn't such a stretch. I wouldn't do it for anyone in the Cobb-Marshall range, not DT, none of the rookie wrs, 
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In PPR, Allen is hovering around the WR12 range.  No way I'd pay that for a UDFA, hurt, possible RBBC player, who has only performed at a high level for ~half of an NFL season.

I mean, if that's what it would take to pry him from you, great.  But that is a gross overpay.

 
tangfoot said:
In PPR, Allen is hovering around the WR12 range.  No way I'd pay that for a UDFA, hurt, possible RBBC player, who has only performed at a high level for ~half of an NFL season.

I mean, if that's what it would take to pry him from you, great.  But that is a gross overpay.
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Allen is also coming off an injury, but I agree. Perhaps not the best example but it was the one thrown out there. Moncreif would perhaps be a better example. But there are a number of guys that I wouldn't trade him for in the wr2 range. Like I originally said, I want a good return or I'm happy to see what happens and have a top 5 rb or nothing. Probably more than someone is willing to give. Where I don't own him I'm probably not paying what the other guy wants either.

 
As the other poster said, pointless to deal now in Dynasty. Most who took him likely thought they stole a top 5 back. Those trying to trade think than can get a top 5 back for round 4 trade value which obviously a Rawls owner will reject instantly. So it's sit & wait for all involved. 

 
Snorkelson said:
Allen is also coming off an injury
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Not to nit pick TOO strongly, but that ruptured kidney was a truly freak thing.  Allen had been unbelievably dominant up until that point in the season, and it was within reason to assume that he had a shot at both the receptions and targets record for a single game.

 
tangfoot said:
Not to nit pick TOO strongly, but that ruptured kidney was a truly freak thing.  Allen had been unbelievably dominant up until that point in the season, and it was within reason to assume that he had a shot at both the receptions and targets record for a single game.
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Also agree, but he also disappeared in a game or 2 in that dominant stint, he has his warts too. I doubt there's clamoring to veto that trade

 
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Borden said:
Allen straight up wouldn't be enough for me. The value I lose at RB vs the production I gain with Allen over my WR (lowest starter) would be too much of a loss if I were to trade Rawls straight up. The waiver wire is so bleak at RB. 
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Wow.

I would be shocked if most Rawls owners could get Keenan Allen for him.  

A lot of this has to do with league format however.  In standard leagues, it's closer, but unless Rawls shows some real passing game aptitude, in PPR I would never make that deal. 

 
I think grabbing Prosise may not be a bad idea if Rawls doesn't return to form and Michael reverts back (again) to the guy we thought he was.

 
zamboni said:
I think grabbing Prosise may not be a bad idea if Rawls doesn't return to form and Michael reverts back (again) to the guy we thought he was.
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If Rawls and Cmike for some reason didn't work out they would turn to Alex Collins as the early down RB. I like Prosise but I think at this point they see him as the 3rd down pass catching RB and nothing more. He still has a lot to learn at the RB position. 

 
ImTheScientist said:
If Rawls and Cmike for some reason didn't work out they would turn to Alex Collins as the early down RB. I like Prosise but I think at this point they see him as the 3rd down pass catching RB and nothing more. He still has a lot to learn at the RB position. 
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I agree (otherwise what was the point of keeping him over Pope?) but I think if we're in a similar situation a year from now Prosise will be the guy.  Long term, I think he'll take over as long as he can close the gap on the mental side of the game.

 
14 Team Dynasty .. no ppr 

For trading perspective, I was just offered Melvin Gordon and Matt Jones for Rawls..not sure what to think but already having LBell/Williams, Miller, Charles I will probably turn it down.  Can start 3 RB each week.

 
BearsFan4Life said:
14 Team Dynasty .. no ppr 

For trading perspective, I was just offered Melvin Gordon and Matt Jones for Rawls..not sure what to think but already having LBell/Williams, Miller, Charles I will probably turn it down.  Can start 3 RB each week.
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My goodness, of course you turn that down. Jones is a place holder of an RB. Gordon I hold out a bit of hope for still but Rawls is on a running offense and shown that he can be a stud. 

Disclaimer: In this case I think I would have the support of other posters but I'm also the guy that wants Keenan Allen + for Rawls. 

 
Borden said:
My goodness, of course you turn that down. Jones is a place holder of an RB. Gordon I hold out a bit of hope for still but Rawls is on a running offense and shown that he can be a stud. 

Disclaimer: In this case I think I would have the support of other posters but I'm also the guy that wants Keenan Allen + for Rawls. 
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I agree with you on both.  I picked up Rawls extremely cheap in a dynasty league last year with the expectation he becomes a legit high-end RB1.  I could be wrong, but I'm not about to trade him away for a low-end WR1/WR2 or a potential bust of a RB (who has shown substantially less than Rawls has).  I value Rawls as a future stud RB and it would take a substantial offer to get me to think about it.

 
BearsFan4Life said:
14 Team Dynasty .. no ppr 

For trading perspective, I was just offered Melvin Gordon and Matt Jones for Rawls..not sure what to think but already having LBell/Williams, Miller, Charles I will probably turn it down.  Can start 3 RB each week.
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2 garbage players doesn't make it more attractive 

 
I wouldnt call Melvin Gordon garbage at all. Those who have watched preseason witnessed Melvin's extra gear , incredible speed and ability to break a long TD with ease. I'll give you that Matt Jones isnt an option but Gordon is ranked in the top 10 on fantasyindex and PFF paid sites. He looks ready to ROLL! 

Rawls is also a top RB but ,interestingly enough, not ranked nearly as high as Melvin on either site..maybe an RBBC scare tactic ? I own both guys and I think each should flourish this season..

Melvin for Rawls is a wash for me. Ifnthe other party upped the stakes with a WR maybe I'd consider

 
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