So, the law firm that Draftkings commissioned to investigate themselves found no wrongdoing?Law firm's report says DraftKings employee locked in roster before receiving datahttp://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13924648/investigation-commissioned-draftkings-says-employee-locked-lineup-receiving-internal-data
*Too much negativity in this thread for me to want to comment any further with my own opinions or vantage point(s), but I felt obligated to share this report from ESPN that clears Ethan's name from any wrongdoing.*
Will they be investigating his hot run in MLB?
can't or can? I don't remember those states being on the outside. Thought it was just Arizona, Iowa, and a couple others not named those.Starsdraft just emailed saying only residents of Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, and NJ can play now.
Can. I got the same e-mail. Seems like quite the overreaction, but that's what it is. I can't see them staying afloat long.can't or can? I don't remember those states being on the outside. Thought it was just Arizona, Iowa, and a couple others not named those.Starsdraft just emailed saying only residents of Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, and NJ can play now.
Can. Starsdraft is pulling out of the other 46 states, unfortunately.can't or can? I don't remember those states being on the outside. Thought it was just Arizona, Iowa, and a couple others not named those.Starsdraft just emailed saying only residents of Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, and NJ can play now.
Oh ####...I missed the word "only" in the OP. That's crazy.Can. I got the same e-mail. Seems like quite the overreaction, but that's what it is. I can't see them staying afloat long.can't or can? I don't remember those states being on the outside. Thought it was just Arizona, Iowa, and a couple others not named those.Starsdraft just emailed saying only residents of Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, and NJ can play now.
Sooo remember when there was a Starsdraft site for DFS?can't or can? I don't remember those states being on the outside. Thought it was just Arizona, Iowa, and a couple others not named those.Starsdraft just emailed saying only residents of Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, and NJ can play now.
some will never believe I supposeSo, the law firm that Draftkings commissioned to investigate themselves found no wrongdoing?Law firm's report says DraftKings employee locked in roster before receiving datahttp://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13924648/investigation-commissioned-draftkings-says-employee-locked-lineup-receiving-internal-data
*Too much negativity in this thread for me to want to comment any further with my own opinions or vantage point(s), but I felt obligated to share this report from ESPN that clears Ethan's name from any wrongdoing.*
Not trying to shoot the messenger, but none of that really means anything to me. Just feels like they are doing their best to sweep this under the rug as quickly as possible.
I don't think Ethan did anything wrong but that doesn't matter, that is not even the issue here. The issue is that we don't know who has access to the data or what the safeguards around it are. All that Ethan did was make it 100% confirmed that any rogue employee would have the ability to use data improperly. Hopefully that has never happened, but since we now know the possibility exists without a doubt, we need to make sure better safeguards are put in place going forward, or the data will be used improperly at some point if it hasn't already.some will never believe I supposeSo, the law firm that Draftkings commissioned to investigate themselves found no wrongdoing?Law firm's report says DraftKings employee locked in roster before receiving datahttp://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13924648/investigation-commissioned-draftkings-says-employee-locked-lineup-receiving-internal-data
*Too much negativity in this thread for me to want to comment any further with my own opinions or vantage point(s), but I felt obligated to share this report from ESPN that clears Ethan's name from any wrongdoing.*
Not trying to shoot the messenger, but none of that really means anything to me. Just feels like they are doing their best to sweep this under the rug as quickly as possible.
On top of that ... perception trumps reality pretty soundly. Not sure exactly what DFS has to do to get the stink off, but it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of forgetting. Fact-finding, investigation, evidence, etc. is going to have little effect.I don't think Ethan did anything wrong but that doesn't matter, that is not even the issue here. The issue is that we don't know who has access to the data or what the safeguards around it are. All that Ethan did was make it 100% confirmed that any rogue employee would have the ability to use data improperly. Hopefully that has never happened, but since we now know the possibility exists without a doubt, we need to make sure better safeguards are put in place going forward, or the data will be used improperly at some point if it hasn't already.
Ha! Hardly taking the high road I see. "What you're doing is illegal and harmful to the public. Unless you pay us, in which case it's completely legit."It sounds like the PA hearing was cancelled and postponed for a couple of weeks so it looks like we'll still be able to play in PA for now.
From what I was reading it sounds like Rep. Dunbar wants 1 million dollar fee from FanDuel and Draftkings along with a percent of revenue, and there would be a portal to those sites through a PA casino website.
Yep, a legal shakedown. They are months behind on a budget here and can't agree on anything so they are looking for alternative means of revenue.Ha! Hardly taking the high road I see. "What you're doing is illegal and harmful to the public. Unless you pay us, in which case it's completely legit."It sounds like the PA hearing was cancelled and postponed for a couple of weeks so it looks like we'll still be able to play in PA for now.
From what I was reading it sounds like Rep. Dunbar wants 1 million dollar fee from FanDuel and Draftkings along with a percent of revenue, and there would be a portal to those sites through a PA casino website.
As far as scammers go, FD and DK have nothing on state govts.It sounds like the PA hearing was cancelled and postponed for a couple of weeks so it looks like we'll still be able to play in PA for now.
From what I was reading it sounds like Rep. Dunbar wants 1 million dollar fee from FanDuel and Draftkings along with a percent of revenue, and there would be a portal to those sites through a PA casino website.
100% agree. The DK ads are professional looking whereas the FD ads look like cheap infomercials. They obviously went very, very different routes. Pretty sure Ed Norton is the narrator for the DK commercials. They are somewhat humorous and well shot with a nice camera. They are a step up from the silly, older DK commercials with the dude in his thrown chair in a mansion. The new ads are something Don Draper would be proud of.I actually love the DK ad where the premise is "there is a sleeper out there, and somebody is going to play him." THAT is how these sites should be advertising. You need to sell public perception on the fact that it's a game of skill but played for fun, and pointing out in a clever way that the difficult part of the tournament DFS game is often picking out a "sleeper" (minimally owned) player that nobody else is on to is a great way of doing that.
The Fanduel ads with the testimonials that suggest things like "the only difference between me and people who didn't win is that I played!" is obvious survivorship bias. These ads make the DFS companies look like sleazy gambling operations trying to suck in new money, and not being upfront about the deposit bonus in their ads is not helping that perception either. They should stop this type of advertising immediately and promote DFS with the angle that you have to outsmart other people and that's why it's fun - the challenge.
The problem with DFS is... it is "gambling" and we all know this. If wagering money against others on how many real life points a team scores is "gambling", so is betting on how many fantasy points a collection of players will individually score. I'm not going to argue about whether this type of gambling should be illegal or legal (my opinion is legal), but I'm just pointing out that it's a really hard argument to make that those two types of wagering on the outcome of games (teams vs. individual players) is different.
It is certainly a game of skill, but so was online poker... I'm pretty worried about the future of DFS.
Yeah, the FD ads are beyond horrible, but I assumed the target audience may respond well to them. I probably overestimated FD's marketing department.100% agree. The DK ads are professional looking whereas the FD ads look like cheap infomercials. They obviously went very, very different routes. Pretty sure Ed Norton is the narrator for the DK commercials. They are somewhat humorous and well shot with a nice camera. They are a step up from the silly, older DK commercials with the dude in his thrown chair in a mansion. The new ads are something Don Draper would be proud of.I actually love the DK ad where the premise is "there is a sleeper out there, and somebody is going to play him." THAT is how these sites should be advertising. You need to sell public perception on the fact that it's a game of skill but played for fun, and pointing out in a clever way that the difficult part of the tournament DFS game is often picking out a "sleeper" (minimally owned) player that nobody else is on to is a great way of doing that.
The Fanduel ads with the testimonials that suggest things like "the only difference between me and people who didn't win is that I played!" is obvious survivorship bias. These ads make the DFS companies look like sleazy gambling operations trying to suck in new money, and not being upfront about the deposit bonus in their ads is not helping that perception either. They should stop this type of advertising immediately and promote DFS with the angle that you have to outsmart other people and that's why it's fun - the challenge.
The problem with DFS is... it is "gambling" and we all know this. If wagering money against others on how many real life points a team scores is "gambling", so is betting on how many fantasy points a collection of players will individually score. I'm not going to argue about whether this type of gambling should be illegal or legal (my opinion is legal), but I'm just pointing out that it's a really hard argument to make that those two types of wagering on the outcome of games (teams vs. individual players) is different.
It is certainly a game of skill, but so was online poker... I'm pretty worried about the future of DFS.
The FD ads are very utilitarian, showing you how to click on players and build a lineup. (if you watch carefully, I think the guy just clicks on Aaron Rodgers, Laveon Bell, Antonio Brown... wow, it's so easy!) However, they really go through the process of showing you: here's a list of players, they have prices, click on them and build a team. Reminds me of a bad AOL commercial from way back. Whereas the DK commercial in some way gets to piggy back off of that mechanical display, they don't have to show the process, and focus on the thought process/emotional content. It intrigues the viewer, rather than dumbing down for the viewer.
I think most of the "hatred" out there is for the FD commercials. I don't think people actual hate the DK commercials, because they're kinda funny and look nice. I legit hate the FD commercials and they piss me off every time.
Kinda funny that DK is basically at fault for screwing the pooch on this whole scandal (thanks, Ethan!) whereas FD is at fault for the ad backlash.
I find it strange that DK puts their most infamous employee in one of their ads.100% agree. The DK ads are professional looking whereas the FD ads look like cheap infomercials. They obviously went very, very different routes. Pretty sure Ed Norton is the narrator for the DK commercials. They are somewhat humorous and well shot with a nice camera. They are a step up from the silly, older DK commercials with the dude in his thrown chair in a mansion. The new ads are something Don Draper would be proud of.The FD ads are very utilitarian, showing you how to click on players and build a lineup. (if you watch carefully, I think the guy just clicks on Aaron Rodgers, Laveon Bell, Antonio Brown... wow, it's so easy!) However, they really go through the process of showing you: here's a list of players, they have prices, click on them and build a team. Reminds me of a bad AOL commercial from way back. Whereas the DK commercial in some way gets to piggy back off of that mechanical display, they don't have to show the process, and focus on the thought process/emotional content. It intrigues the viewer, rather than dumbing down for the viewer.I actually love the DK ad where the premise is "there is a sleeper out there, and somebody is going to play him." THAT is how these sites should be advertising. You need to sell public perception on the fact that it's a game of skill but played for fun, and pointing out in a clever way that the difficult part of the tournament DFS game is often picking out a "sleeper" (minimally owned) player that nobody else is on to is a great way of doing that.
The Fanduel ads with the testimonials that suggest things like "the only difference between me and people who didn't win is that I played!" is obvious survivorship bias. These ads make the DFS companies look like sleazy gambling operations trying to suck in new money, and not being upfront about the deposit bonus in their ads is not helping that perception either. They should stop this type of advertising immediately and promote DFS with the angle that you have to outsmart other people and that's why it's fun - the challenge.
The problem with DFS is... it is "gambling" and we all know this. If wagering money against others on how many real life points a team scores is "gambling", so is betting on how many fantasy points a collection of players will individually score. I'm not going to argue about whether this type of gambling should be illegal or legal (my opinion is legal), but I'm just pointing out that it's a really hard argument to make that those two types of wagering on the outcome of games (teams vs. individual players) is different.
It is certainly a game of skill, but so was online poker... I'm pretty worried about the future of DFS.
I think most of the "hatred" out there is for the FD commercials. I don't think people actual hate the DK commercials, because they're kinda funny and look nice. I legit hate the FD commercials and they piss me off every time.
Kinda funny that DK is basically at fault for screwing the pooch on this whole scandal (thanks, Ethan!) whereas FD is at fault for the ad backlash.
No because 350k is not the top prize in anything. That is not a live final either.100% agree. The DK ads are professional looking whereas the FD ads look like cheap infomercials. They obviously went very, very different routes. Pretty sure Ed Norton is the narrator for the DK commercials. They are somewhat humorous and well shot with a nice camera. They are a step up from the silly, older DK commercials with the dude in his thrown chair in a mansion. The new ads are something Don Draper would be proud of.The FD ads are very utilitarian, showing you how to click on players and build a lineup. (if you watch carefully, I think the guy just clicks on Aaron Rodgers, Laveon Bell, Antonio Brown... wow, it's so easy!) However, they really go through the process of showing you: here's a list of players, they have prices, click on them and build a team. Reminds me of a bad AOL commercial from way back. Whereas the DK commercial in some way gets to piggy back off of that mechanical display, they don't have to show the process, and focus on the thought process/emotional content. It intrigues the viewer, rather than dumbing down for the viewer.I actually love the DK ad where the premise is "there is a sleeper out there, and somebody is going to play him." THAT is how these sites should be advertising. You need to sell public perception on the fact that it's a game of skill but played for fun, and pointing out in a clever way that the difficult part of the tournament DFS game is often picking out a "sleeper" (minimally owned) player that nobody else is on to is a great way of doing that.
The Fanduel ads with the testimonials that suggest things like "the only difference between me and people who didn't win is that I played!" is obvious survivorship bias. These ads make the DFS companies look like sleazy gambling operations trying to suck in new money, and not being upfront about the deposit bonus in their ads is not helping that perception either. They should stop this type of advertising immediately and promote DFS with the angle that you have to outsmart other people and that's why it's fun - the challenge.
The problem with DFS is... it is "gambling" and we all know this. If wagering money against others on how many real life points a team scores is "gambling", so is betting on how many fantasy points a collection of players will individually score. I'm not going to argue about whether this type of gambling should be illegal or legal (my opinion is legal), but I'm just pointing out that it's a really hard argument to make that those two types of wagering on the outcome of games (teams vs. individual players) is different.
It is certainly a game of skill, but so was online poker... I'm pretty worried about the future of DFS.I find it strange that DK puts their most infamous employee in one of their ads.I think most of the "hatred" out there is for the FD commercials. I don't think people actual hate the DK commercials, because they're kinda funny and look nice. I legit hate the FD commercials and they piss me off every time. Kinda funny that DK is basically at fault for screwing the pooch on this whole scandal (thanks, Ethan!) whereas FD is at fault for the ad backlash.
That fat guy jumping off the couch to throw an embarrassing air-punch is Ethan winninng his $350k, right?
No, that is not him. That guy looks nothing like Ethan, actually.I find it strange that DK puts their most infamous employee in one of their ads.100% agree. The DK ads are professional looking whereas the FD ads look like cheap infomercials. They obviously went very, very different routes. Pretty sure Ed Norton is the narrator for the DK commercials. They are somewhat humorous and well shot with a nice camera. They are a step up from the silly, older DK commercials with the dude in his thrown chair in a mansion. The new ads are something Don Draper would be proud of.The FD ads are very utilitarian, showing you how to click on players and build a lineup. (if you watch carefully, I think the guy just clicks on Aaron Rodgers, Laveon Bell, Antonio Brown... wow, it's so easy!) However, they really go through the process of showing you: here's a list of players, they have prices, click on them and build a team. Reminds me of a bad AOL commercial from way back. Whereas the DK commercial in some way gets to piggy back off of that mechanical display, they don't have to show the process, and focus on the thought process/emotional content. It intrigues the viewer, rather than dumbing down for the viewer.I actually love the DK ad where the premise is "there is a sleeper out there, and somebody is going to play him." THAT is how these sites should be advertising. You need to sell public perception on the fact that it's a game of skill but played for fun, and pointing out in a clever way that the difficult part of the tournament DFS game is often picking out a "sleeper" (minimally owned) player that nobody else is on to is a great way of doing that.
The Fanduel ads with the testimonials that suggest things like "the only difference between me and people who didn't win is that I played!" is obvious survivorship bias. These ads make the DFS companies look like sleazy gambling operations trying to suck in new money, and not being upfront about the deposit bonus in their ads is not helping that perception either. They should stop this type of advertising immediately and promote DFS with the angle that you have to outsmart other people and that's why it's fun - the challenge.
The problem with DFS is... it is "gambling" and we all know this. If wagering money against others on how many real life points a team scores is "gambling", so is betting on how many fantasy points a collection of players will individually score. I'm not going to argue about whether this type of gambling should be illegal or legal (my opinion is legal), but I'm just pointing out that it's a really hard argument to make that those two types of wagering on the outcome of games (teams vs. individual players) is different.
It is certainly a game of skill, but so was online poker... I'm pretty worried about the future of DFS.
I think most of the "hatred" out there is for the FD commercials. I don't think people actual hate the DK commercials, because they're kinda funny and look nice. I legit hate the FD commercials and they piss me off every time.
Kinda funny that DK is basically at fault for screwing the pooch on this whole scandal (thanks, Ethan!) whereas FD is at fault for the ad backlash.
That fat guy jumping off the couch to throw an embarrassing air-punch is Ethan winninng his $350k, right?
wha?I like the ads too, just blown away by the anger people have
If you think it's bad in here, you should read the Shark Pool thread.*Too much negativity in this thread for me to want to comment any further with my own opinions or vantage point(s), but I felt obligated to share this report from ESPN that clears Ethan's name from any wrongdoing.*
Wow. There is piss and vinegar flowing over there.If you think it's bad in here, you should read the Shark Pool thread.*Too much negativity in this thread for me to want to comment any further with my own opinions or vantage point(s), but I felt obligated to share this report from ESPN that clears Ethan's name from any wrongdoing.*
doesnt mean he didn't have access prior to the excel sheet when he submitted.
Not in anyway re-bagger heredoesnt mean he didn't have access prior to the excel sheet when he submitted.
It seems all they did was not find a smoking gun during their investigation. That doesn't mean there weren't misdeeds going on - just that none were found. I'm also not sure why they would use the word "impossible". I'm guessing accessing a database 2 hours before officially downloading it doesn't fall under the realm of an impossibility. Hell, there's probably some teenagers in Russia who could do so in a few hours. And they don't even have Draft Kings IDs.Not in anyway re-bagger heredoesnt mean he didn't have access prior to the excel sheet when he submitted.
Ya know, people act like they hired their brother to do an investigation. They hired some lawyer's company that whose name had such merit that the US Attorney General's office and FBI paused and said let's wait and see what that company finds.
They deserve some credit there. Earned some of the "shady" thinking back from all their detractors.
Now they are being investigated by US gov't, NY, and Massachusetts' alphabet soup which has to be as much nitpicking as is possible. If the previous didn't "win" anybody back, ya gotta leave a little window open where it's like "OK if alphabet soup of gov't investigated and you were on the 'up and up' then I guess you are."
Most of the upset people wanted a line drawn in the sand type investigation. They got it.
While most seem to be rubbing their hands together in anticipation of evil, there needs to be some consideration given if everything is legit here. Ya gotta leave that door open a crack
thank you for proving my pointIt seems all they did was not find a smoking gun during their investigation. That doesn't mean there weren't misdeeds going on - just that none were found. I'm also not sure why they would use the word "impossible". I'm guessing accessing a database 2 hours before officially downloading it doesn't fall under the realm of an impossibility. Hell, there's probably some teenagers in Russia who could do so in a few hours. And they don't even have Draft Kings IDs.Not in anyway re-bagger heredoesnt mean he didn't have access prior to the excel sheet when he submitted.
Ya know, people act like they hired their brother to do an investigation. They hired some lawyer's company that whose name had such merit that the US Attorney General's office and FBI paused and said let's wait and see what that company finds.
They deserve some credit there. Earned some of the "shady" thinking back from all their detractors.
Now they are being investigated by US gov't, NY, and Massachusetts' alphabet soup which has to be as much nitpicking as is possible. If the previous didn't "win" anybody back, ya gotta leave a little window open where it's like "OK if alphabet soup of gov't investigated and you were on the 'up and up' then I guess you are."
Most of the upset people wanted a line drawn in the sand type investigation. They got it.
While most seem to be rubbing their hands together in anticipation of evil, there needs to be some consideration given if everything is legit here. Ya gotta leave that door open a crack
... and why is Ethan Haskell even accessing/downloading this file, anyways? Perhaps this investigation report (tweet!) could have mentioned that. Not very convincing.
How do you think casinos came to be legalized? And cigarette taxes? Alcohol taxes?Yep, a legal shakedown. They are months behind on a budget here and can't agree on anything so they are looking for alternative means of revenue.Ha! Hardly taking the high road I see. "What you're doing is illegal and harmful to the public. Unless you pay us, in which case it's completely legit."It sounds like the PA hearing was cancelled and postponed for a couple of weeks so it looks like we'll still be able to play in PA for now.
From what I was reading it sounds like Rep. Dunbar wants 1 million dollar fee from FanDuel and Draftkings along with a percent of revenue, and there would be a portal to those sites through a PA casino website.
I still think the result of what all of this taught us (including the gov't) is that it will be part of lottery as was proposed months back.How do you think casinos came to be legalized? And cigarette taxes? Alcohol taxes?Yep, a legal shakedown. They are months behind on a budget here and can't agree on anything so they are looking for alternative means of revenue.Ha! Hardly taking the high road I see. "What you're doing is illegal and harmful to the public. Unless you pay us, in which case it's completely legit."It sounds like the PA hearing was cancelled and postponed for a couple of weeks so it looks like we'll still be able to play in PA for now.
From what I was reading it sounds like Rep. Dunbar wants 1 million dollar fee from FanDuel and Draftkings along with a percent of revenue, and there would be a portal to those sites through a PA casino website.
Government bans vice.... until it becomes convinced that it can make money off that vice. In Louisiana, organized crime had been running gambling operations since the 1930s when Huey Long connected with Frank Costello to basically expand into Louisiana, and that organized crime association, which at some point became corporate, was there to sell the video poker machines and open the truck stops and invest in the casinos when Edwin Edwards was governor and pushed legalization through. Edwards was eventually convicted of fraud for illegally pushing gambling licenses in the legislature. Eddie DeBartolo, owner of the 49ers, went down in that scam too btw.
With cigarettes the Surgeon General came to tell all of us that tobacco kills... so we outlawed it, right? No our state governments just decided that was ok as long as they got a piece of the action.
It's just the nature of the beast.