Who were the steals of the 2015 NFL draft? (1 Viewer)

Tons of articles come out in May about the steals of the NFL draft so I thought it would be interesting to take a look with the season in the books.

You can only pick one on offense and one on defense. Contract ramifications are important so a guy taken in the 5th round has more value than one taken in the second. But talent is the most important thing. Obviously.

Who you you take in hindsight?

Stefan (sp?) Diggs and David Johnson.

Oops. One each offense and defense.

On defense I go with ______. Just can't think of anyone.

Jeremy Langford.

Quandre Diggs - CB - Detroit, pick #200

Karlos Williams - RB - Buffalo, pick #155

Sabertooth said:

Tons of articles come out in May about the steals of the NFL draft so I thought it would be interesting to take a look with the season in the books.

You can only pick one on offense and one on defense. Contract ramifications are important so a guy taken in the 5th round has more value than one taken in the second. But talent is the most important thing. Obviously.

Who you you take in hindsight?

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I think if teams had known Gurley would be fully healthy by mid-season, he would have gone much higher than 10th.

Hurns was pretty valuable this year even though i don't believe in his talent.

Jordan Hicks 3rd Round LB for Philly. He was having an AllPro season till he tore his biceps. Going to be a stud.

Lockett, Seattle. Texans are still bummed that Seattle traded in front of them in the third round. At least Jalen Strong came on for them at the end of the year.

I think Seattle has to be pretty happy with getting Lockett and Rawls.

The steal of the draft was the 1st round lock who became a UDFA.

Drafted players

Karlos Williams in the 5th.

Kwon Alexander in the 4th for defense.

The Vikings had a very good draft:

Eric Kendricks (pick 45)

Danielle Hunter (pick 88)

T.J. Clemmings (pick 110)

MyCole Pruitt (pick 143)

Stefon Diggs (pick 146)

Warhogs said:

The Vikings had a very good draft:

Eric Kendricks (pick 45)

Danielle Hunter (pick 88)

T.J. Clemmings (pick 110)

MyCole Pruitt (pick 143)

Stefon Diggs (pick 146)

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Spielman is a wonderful drafter.

Warhogs said:

The Vikings had a very good draft:

T.J. Clemmings (pick 110)

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Started 16 games and helped pave the way for the NFL's leading rusher. That's a nice contribution.

He was a high pick but I think Preston Smith really outperformed his draft position for the Redskins. Ronald Darby also played really well for the Bills.

Milkman said:

Hurns was pretty valuable this year even though i don't believe in his talent.

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Wow, lot's wrong with this post.

Dezbelief said:

The steal of the draft was the 1st round lock who became a UDFA.

Drafted players

Karlos Williams in the 5th.

Kwon Alexander in the 4th for defense.

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I think he's the easy choice for defense.

Warhogs said:

I think Seattle has to be pretty happy with getting Lockett and Rawls.

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Agreed.

Though not technically drafted, La'el Collins deserves some love here too.

Yeah I was surprised somebody didn't draft him. Heck throw a 7th at him.

My homer pick would be Max Garcia, OG, 4th round, pick 133. He shined early in camp and had basically won the LG position until Denver signed Evan Mathis. When both Mathis and Vasquez were banged up, and with both of them being older, Denver began rotating Garcia in at both OG positions regularly to keep Mathis and Vasquez fresh. Garcia is a mauler in the run game and holds his own in pass protection and should be a staple on Denver's O Line for a long time.

Sabertooth said:

Yeah I was surprised somebody didn't draft him. Heck throw a 7th at him.

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Agreed. Despite what he and his agent said, I think it would have been really hard to turn down a chance to play right away. Sitting out a whole year and entering the 2016 draft, as he threatened to do, would have been a big mistake, IMO. See Mike Williams, Maurice Clarett. etc. That year off does no one a bit off good.

The Raiders look to have done okay with Ben Heeney (pick 140). Not sure if he is a long term solution in the middle for them but he played well over the last seven games.

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Milkman said:

Hurns was pretty valuable this year even though i don't believe in his talent.

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Wow, lot's wrong with this post.

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Oops my bad.

Def go with Lockett then.

Chaka said:

The Raiders look to have done okay with Ben Heeney (pick 140). Not sure if he is a long term solution in the middle for them but he played well over the last seven games.

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He was in the running for my pick in this thread.

without looking at others...

Offense: Stefon Diggs

Defense: Adrian Amos and Kwon Alexander

Thomas Rawls, David Johnson,Jeremy Langford, Marcus Mariota(time will show this, imo), Kwon, and Diggs

Warhogs said:

The Vikings had a very good draft:

Eric Kendricks (pick 45)

Danielle Hunter (pick 88)

T.J. Clemmings (pick 110)

MyCole Pruitt (pick 143)

Stefon Diggs (pick 146)

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Can't complain but trading down for Marcus Peters would have made this draft go from good to outstanding.

Chaka said:

Warhogs said:

The Vikings had a very good draft:

T.J. Clemmings (pick 110)

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Started 16 games and helped pave the way for the NFL's leading rusher. That's a nice contribution.

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He was the worst Vikings offensive lineman in 2015. He could not handle pass rushers. The Vikings know he can not handle pass rushers so they choose to have a TE pick up those assignments instead. Yes when considering all possible options, this was considered the best option more often than not.

I do think the Vikings had a good draft, I just don't think Clemmings is a good example of that. He was terrible. Never should have been starting.

I will go with Diggs on offense and defense.

GordonGekko said:

Won't be ashamed to say I was wrong on Brett Hundley and Matt Waldman was right. I don't know if Mike McCarthy and Hundleys parents all sold their souls to the devil, but his development from where he was pre draft to now is pretty staggering. His situational awareness at game speed took about a big of a leap as I've ever seen in a QB1 prospect. His mechanics, footwork and balance all look consistent now. His tool set is elite, but the speed of development so far is venturing into uncharted territory here. Other than Jay Ajayi, might be the best value 5th rounder taken in the draft.

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This doesn't read like sarcasm, but with zero snaps in the regular season is almost has to be? Or are you basing this on preseason?

Sabertooth said:

Yeah I was surprised somebody didn't draft him. Heck throw a 7th at him.

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That was the whole thing with Collins: After he didn't get drafted high, his agent basically said he would sit out a year rather than be a low round pick. He actually got more from the Cowboys than he would've if he had been a low round pick, plus he got to pick what team he played for.

Right now:

David Johnson-Late 3rd
Stefon Diggs--5th round

Jordan Hicks--Late 3rd

Ben Heeney--5th round

Probably some offensive linemen from these late rounds will wind up being best value long term.

BoulderBob said:

Thomas Rawls, David Johnson,Jeremy Langford, Marcus Mariota(time will show this, imo), Kwon, and Diggs

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If undrafted FA's count, Rawls gets my vote. Tyler Lockett deserves to be mentioned in that list as well.

Defensively, it is a little less clear for me. Probably Jordan Hicks would get my vote.

The Chiefs got an elite CB at 1.18 in Peters. Hardly a robbery at that point in the draft, but he certainly outplayed his draft position.

GordonGekko said:

Sabertooth said:

Who you you take in hindsight?

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Henry Anderson, 3rd rounder for the Colts has only IMHO scratched the surface of his ability. Very impressed with his speed/power and his footwork and technique are pretty advanced all things considering.

Won't be ashamed to say I was wrong on Brett Hundley and Matt Waldman was right. I don't know if Mike McCarthy and Hundleys parents all sold their souls to the devil, but his development from where he was pre draft to now is pretty staggering. His situational awareness at game speed took about a big of a leap as I've ever seen in a QB1 prospect. His mechanics, footwork and balance all look consistent now. His tool set is elite, but the speed of development so far is venturing into uncharted territory here. Other than Jay Ajayi, might be the best value 5th rounder taken in the draft.

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That said, I'd love to see Green Bay take another project at QB in rounds 4-7, lest he stagnate. Can't have enough good cheap backup QBs. They are like gold. What do you think Hundley would fetch right now in terms of draft picks? 3rd? 4th? Higher? Lower?

socrates said:

BoulderBob said:

Thomas Rawls, David Johnson,Jeremy Langford, Marcus Mariota(time will show this, imo), Kwon, and Diggs

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If undrafted FA's count, Rawls gets my vote. Tyler Lockett deserves to be mentioned in that list as well.

Defensively, it is a little less clear for me. Probably Jordan Hicks would get my vote.

The Chiefs got an elite CB at 1.18 in Peters. Hardly a robbery at that point in the draft, but he certainly outplayed his draft position.

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Elite, truly elite CBs are worthy a lot more than 18th pick. If he truly goes on to become a shut down guy, that's gotta be worthy of a top 5 pick.

socrates said:

BoulderBob said:

Thomas Rawls, David Johnson,Jeremy Langford, Marcus Mariota(time will show this, imo), Kwon, and Diggs

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If undrafted FA's count, Rawls gets my vote. Tyler Lockett deserves to be mentioned in that list as well.

Defensively, it is a little less clear for me. Probably Jordan Hicks would get my vote.

The Chiefs got an elite CB at 1.18 in Peters. Hardly a robbery at that point in the draft, but he certainly outplayed his draft position.

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Sure, although I have a hard time saying any RB is a "steal". I mean with the devaluing of the position, they are kind of a dime a dozen. Langford, Buck Allen, Rawls, Johnson, and Jones all appear to have bright futures.

I still can't believe Leonard Williams fell to the Jets - had a great rookie season and should be a top defensive player for years to come

Kiddnets said:

I still can't believe Leonard Williams fell to the Jets - had a great rookie season and should be a top defensive player for years to come

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Redskins will regret passing on him for 10 years.

thatguy said:

Sabertooth said:

Yeah I was surprised somebody didn't draft him. Heck throw a 7th at him.

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Agreed. Despite what he and his agent said, I think it would have been really hard to turn down a chance to play right away. Sitting out a whole year and entering the 2016 draft, as he threatened to do, would have been a big mistake, IMO. See Mike Williams, Maurice Clarett. etc. That year off does no one a bit off good.

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Maybe, but I can also see the logic of not wanting to start your relationship with a player by having to beat him in a game of chicken. I'm guessing teams thought they'd have a better chance of winning the post-draft pitch and having him come willingly. Or maybe they just didn't want to risk wasting a draft pick.

Offense: David Johnson. One of the best receiving backs in the league & impressed enough with his in between the tackles work.

Defense: Marcus Peters. Got decidedly better as year went on. 18th pick for his upside in a pass league is a steal.

massraider said:

Kiddnets said:

I still can't believe Leonard Williams fell to the Jets - had a great rookie season and should be a top defensive player for years to come

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Redskins will regret passing on him for 10 years.

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I love Scherff, and I'm an Iowa fan, but I'm still wishing we would've grabbed Williams instead.

Stitch said:

massraider said:

Kiddnets said:

I still can't believe Leonard Williams fell to the Jets - had a great rookie season and should be a top defensive player for years to come

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Redskins will regret passing on him for 10 years.

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I love Scherff, and I'm an Iowa fan, but I'm still wishing we would've grabbed Williams instead.

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I agree that Williams probably should have been the pick but Scherff started 16 and gave no indication that he won't be a cornerstone for the next decade and they followed that up with Preston Smith who had a really nice year in a part time role. Following those two picks up with Matt Jones and Jamison Crowder made for a nice 2015 draft class in Washington.

thatguy said:

Though not technically drafted, La'el Collins deserves some love here too.

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Straight up beast. Some of his blocks this year

PFF grades the 2015 1st rounders


1. Jameis Winston, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers


2014 PFF College grade: +17.2 (12th-highest in QB class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +8.7 (13th-highest QB in NFL)

Winston’s grade in 2014 wasn’t really deserving of a first-round draft pick, let alone the top selection in the draft. That being said, he played much better in 2013, and that showed with a solid rookie year in the NFL that saw him grade positively both as a passer and as a runner.


2. Marcus Mariota, QB, Tennessee Titans


2014 PFF College grade: +49.9 (1st in QB class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +0.4 (21st-highest QB in NFL)

Injuries limited him to 746 snaps, but Mariota showed flashes and had a generally successful rookie season. He graded slightly negatively (-2.5) as a passer overall, but graded at +25.4 on passes between 10 and 19 yards downfield. His adjusted accuracy percentage of 67 percent was tied for eighth amongst all NFL quarterbacks.


3. Dante Fowler Jr., ED, Jacksonville Jaguars


2014 PFF College grade: +36.4 (seventh-highest edge defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: N/A

Injury prevented Fowler from seeing the field in 2015.


4. Amari Cooper, WR, Oakland Raiders


2014 PFF College grade: +32.3 (second-highest WR in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -1.5 (72nd-highest WR in NFL)

Drops, drops, and more drops. 18 of them to be precise. Leading the NFL in drops wasn’t a good look for Cooper; however, the other aspects of his game did impress. He forced 14 missed tackles and racked up 1,070 receiving yards, both of which led all rookie receivers.


5. Brandon Scherff, OG, Washington Redskins


2014 PFF College grade: +18.7 (16th-highest in offensive tackle class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +4.4 (31st-highest guard in NFL)

He graded negatively in pass-blocking, giving up two sacks, eight hits and 26 hurries as a rookie, but did look good as a run blocker. It wasn’t a sexy pick at the time, but he showed enough as a rookie for expectations to be high heading into year two.


6. Leonard Williams, DI, New York Jets


2014 PFF College grade: +51.3 (3rd-highest interior defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +29.7 (12th-highest interior defender in NFL)

Williams was excellent as a rookie, and his NFL grade was similar to how he performed in college. In his final year at USC, he graded impressively overall, but much better against the run than as a pass rusher. The same was true as a rookie, though he did notch four sacks, 19 hits and 30 hurries.


7. Kevin White, WR, Chicago Bears


2014 PFF College Grade: +12.9 (18th-highest WR in class)

2015 PFF NFL Grade: N/A

White missed all of his rookie season through injury.


8. Vic Beasley, ED, Atlanta Falcons


2014 PFF College grade: +32.8 (13th-highest edge defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +5.9 (45th-highest edge defender in NFL)

No rookie edge defender had a higher grade as a pass rusher than Beasley, with the former Clemson defender racking up four sacks, five hits and 33 hurries, injecting some life into the Falcons’ pass rush.


9. Ereck Flowers, OT, New York Giants


2014 PFF College grade: +22.4 (10th-highest OT in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -44.1 (76th-highest OT in NFL)

Flowers wasn’t horrendous in run-blocking as a rookie, though he didn’t play well, either, grading at -4.0. He was completely overwhelmed as a pass-blocker, though, allowing five sacks, 17 hits, and 47 hurries in 2015.


10. Todd Gurley, HB, St. Louis Rams


2014 PFF College grade: +11.9 (13th-highest RB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +5.3 (22nd-highest RB in NFL)

Gurley was on pace to produce a ridiculous grade in his final year at Georgia, with his grade coming on just 239 snaps before injury wrecked his season. He was eased in for the Rams, playing just 469 snaps as a rookie, but did show flashes of the dynamic playmaker we saw at Georgia, forcing 42 missed tackles on 229 carries.


11. Trae Waynes, CB, Minnesota Vikings


2014 PFF College grade: +4.8 (48th-highest CB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +0.1 (99th-highest CB in NFL)

Waynes earned his high draft status because of his straight-line speed, but there were concerns about his change-of-direction ability. He struggled in the preseason, and saw just 196 snaps as a rookie, but didn’t embarrass himself on the field.


12. Danny Shelton, NT, Cleveland Browns


2014 PFF College grade: +48.6 (3rd-highest DT/NT in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +0.1 (104th-highest DT/NT in class)

Shelton’s rookie season was as expected, with him impressing against the run but making little impact as a pass rusher. His 19 tackles resulting in a defensive stop were sixth amongst rookies on the defensive interior, so the hope will be that he can become even more of a force against the run in 2015.


13. Andrus Peat, OT, New Orleans Saints


2014 PFF College grade: +27.8 (fourth-highest OT in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -5.0 overall, +2.2 at offensive tackle (29th-highest OT in NFL)

While he graded negatively overall, it’s worth pointing out that Peat actually graded positively in 197 snaps at offensive tackle, with his negative grades coming in his starts as a guard. Given that he is likely to spend most of his career at tackle, that’s a good sign.


14. DeVante Parker, WR, Miami Dolphins


2014 PFF College grade: +19.8 (seventh-highest WR in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +4.3 (41st-highest WR in NFL)

Injury held Parker back early, but there was a lot to like from the 479 snaps we did see from him. He forced seven missed tackles on 26 receptions and scored three touchdowns, flashing some of the talent we saw at Louisville.


15. Melvin Gordon, HB, San Diego Chargers


2014 PFF College grade: +31.7 (top grade in RB class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -4.6 (62nd-highest RB in NFL)

Gordon struggled to make the same impact he made in his final year at Wisconsin, and fumbled at a higher rate than we saw as a Badger. He fumbled seven times on 343 carries in 2014 in college, but six times on 184 carries as an NFL rookie.


16. Kevin Johnson, CB, Houston Texans


2014 PFF College grade: -2.0 (96th-highest CB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -0.1 (57th-highest CB in NFL)

A better rookie season than we expected given his college grade, Johnson allowed 612 receiving yards and eight touchdowns in coverage, but did also record an interception and six pass breakups.


17. Arik Armstead, DI, San Francisco 49ers


2014 PFF College grade: +20.3 (27th-highest interior defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +15.1 (25th-highest interior defender in NFL)

Obviously impressive physically, Armstead is an interesting case study in whether or not it’s better to return to school or head to the NFL. He flashed enough on 384 snaps as a rookie that everyone should be excited about what he could become, with 38 total pressures recorded as a rookie. His 12.3 pass-rushing productivity rating was the highest of any 3-4 defensive end who played at least 155 pass-rushing snaps in 2015.


18. Marcus Peters, CB, Kansas City Chiefs


2014 PFF College grade: +6.6 (41st-highest CB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -0.1 (57th-highest CB in NFL)

Many people thought we were harsh on Peters to not have him as our defensive rookie of the year. How can a player who recorded eight interceptions and 17 pass breakups as a rookie grade at just -0.1? Well, because he also allowed 939 yards, gave up eight touchdowns, and committed nine penalties. That being said, the number of plays he made on the ball makes his progression in 2016 a fun story to keep an eye on.


19. Cameron Erving, C, Cleveland Browns


2014 PFF College grade: +8.6 (22nd-highest C in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -29.8 (80th among guards in NFL)

Erving’s rookie season was a disaster, but it also came at a position he is unlikely to play throughout his NFL career. He likely steps into Alex Mack’s shoes as the starting center this offseason, so season two will be the big year in his development.


20. Nelson Agholor, WR, Philadelphia Eagles


2014 PFF College grade: +22.2 (fifth-highest in WR class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -15.4 (119th-highest WR in NFL)

On the field for 687 snaps in 2015, Agholor failed to make much of an impact, catching just 23 passes for 283 yards and scoring just a single touchdown. It doesn’t help when he managed to force just one missed tackle, and had four drops from the 27 catchable passes thrown his way.


21. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Cincinnati Bengals


2014 PFF College grade: +17.7 (18th-highest OT in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: 0.0 (63rd-highest OT in NFL)

Ogbuehi played just 73 snaps as he came back from injury, but looked solid enough in limited duty. It’s far too small of a sample size to get a true read on him so far, though.


22. Bud Dupree, ED, Pittsburgh Steelers


2014 PFF College grade: +30.7 (16th-highest edge defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -22.4 (100th-highest edge defender in NFL)

He totaled just 22 total pressures, and managed to record just 13 tackles resulting in a defensive stop, which saw him finish with the lowest grade of any rookie edge defender in 2015, while his pass-rushing productivity rating of 6.1 was the second lowest of all the edge defenders in the NFL. Dupree needs to improve drastically in year two.


23. Shane Ray, ED, Denver Broncos


2014 PFF College grade: +42.4 (fifth-highest edge defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -3.4 (75th-highest edge defender in NFL)

Ray didn’t play much, with just 352 snaps as a rookie, but he did flash a little bit as a pass rusher. The Bronco registered four sacks, four hits, and 15 hurries, but made very little impact against the run.


24. D.J. Humphries, OT, Arizona Cardinals


2014 PFF College grade: +6.7 (45th-highest OT in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: N/A

Humphries didn’t play at all in 2015, as head coach Bruce Arians opted to keep him off the field in favor of Bobby Massie.


25. Shaq Thompson, LB, Carolina Panthers


2014 PFF College grade: +11.0 (38th-highest LB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +4.6 (22nd-highest LB in NFL)

Thompson came into the league as a better athlete than pure linebacker, and we saw that in his rookie year, with +3.4 of his grade coming in coverage. He should see more playing time in 2015, and his rookie season in coverage will have Panthers’ fans excited about his development.


26. Breshad Perriman, WR, Baltimore Ravens


2014 PFF College grade: +6.9 (43rd-highest WR in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: N/A

Perriman missed his rookie season due to injury.


27. Byron Jones, CB, Dallas Cowboys


2014 PFF College grade: +2.3 (67th-highest CB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +3.4 (48th-highest CB in NFL)

The Cowboys used Jones at outside corner, slot corner, and safety in 2015. They asked a lot of the rookie, and he delivered a +6.9 grade in coverage, breaking up six passes in the process. How he’ll be used going forward remains to be seen, but it was an impressive start to his career.


28. Laken Tomlinson, OG, Detroit Lions


2014 PFF College grade: +41.7 (second-highest guard in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -9.0 (56th-highest guard in NFL)

A tough transition to the NFL for Tomlinson, who had the second-lowest run-blocking grade of any rookie guard. He had the eighth-best pass-blocking grade, though, so Lions’ fans shouldn’t give up hope yet.


29. Phillip Dorsett, WR, Indianapolis Colts


2014 PFF College grade: +12.1 (22nd-highest WR in class) 

2015 PFF NFL grade: -0.9 (69th-highest WR in NFL)

Injury limited him to just 215 snaps, and he didn’t make a huge impact on the field with just 18 receptions before the injury.


30. Damarious Randall, CB, Green Bay Packers


2014 PFF College grade: +14.4 (10th-highest safety in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -1.0 (63rd-highest CB in NFL)

Randall switched from safety to cornerback as he entered the NFL, and held his own for much of his rookie season. He gave up 738 receiving yards, but also came away with three interceptions and 10 pass breakups.


31. Stephone Anthony, LB, New Orleans Saints


2014 PFF College grade: +27.2 (third-highest LB in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -14.3 (71st-highest LB in NFL)

Anthony needs to improve on a poor rookie season after missing 15 tackles in his first year in the NFL. He missed just five in his final season at Clemson, and needs to get back to that level, while also improving his work in coverage in year two.


32. Malcolm Brown, DI, New England Patriots


2014 PFF College grade: +47.0 (sixth-highest interior defender in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: +5.7 (53rd-highest interior defender in NFL)

A much better run defender than pass rusher in college, that carried over into the NFL. His run-stop percentage of 11.2 was fourth amongst all defensive tackles in the NFL last season.

Good to see Shaq's ratings were good, he's going to be a real good LB, especially in pass coverage. He reminds me of Thomas Davis with  his speed and just getting to the ball all over the field. 

massraider said:

PFF grades the 2015 1st rounders


30. Damarious Randall, CB, Green Bay Packers


2014 PFF College grade: +14.4 (10th-highest safety in class)

2015 PFF NFL grade: -1.0 (63rd-highest CB in NFL)

Randall switched from safety to cornerback as he entered the NFL, and held his own for much of his rookie season. He gave up 738 receiving yards, but also came away with three interceptions and 10 pass breakups.


 

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Yeah for a safety, he plays with little fire.   They forgot to mention he didn't cover Larry Fitzgerald as he was supposed to, and single handedly torpedoed the Packers in the playoffs.  

Sabertooth said:

Yeah for a safety, he plays with little fire.   They forgot to mention he didn't cover Larry Fitzgerald as he was supposed to, and single handedly torpedoed the Packers in the playoffs.  

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Geez bro.  

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Geez bro.  

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His rank of 63rd best corner sounds about right.  

I think when we look back in a couple years, Eddie Goldman at 39 is going to look more and more like a steal. I was really disappointed the Lions didn't take him. It seemed like a no brainer. The biggest knock on him coming into the NFL was that he was  2 down player and couldn't rush the QB. He had 4.5 sacks and was on PFF's list of top 5 rookie defenders for pass rush efficiency. 

Bud Dupree is one of those guys where the grades don't tell the full story.  I thought his talent,  raw as it is,  was obvious. 

massraider said:

Bud Dupree is one of those guys where the grades don't tell the full story.  I thought his talent,  raw as it is,  was obvious. 

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I didn't really pay any attention to Bud, but Ziggy was like that. He was -0.7 Which is nothing compared to the pitiful ranking Bud had, but regardless of his grade, it was very clear from day 1 that Ziggy was an elite athlete even at the NFL level. Here we are 2 years later and Ziggy is emerging as one of the better young 4-3 ends in the league.