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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)
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Insein
Footballguy
Well not to argue semantics (but I'm obviously going to) since Greedo had his gun trained on Han and intended to shoot him if he didn't comply, I'd say Han shot him first. Greedo not getting a shot off confirms that Han did indeed shoot before Greedo could.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But that's not the context of where the phrase "Han shot first" came from. In the initial Special Edition edit, Greedo shot first but missed. A subsequent edit had them shoot simultaneously. Both edits led to the pushback of HSF.
So, in a vacuum, HSF would make semantic sense but in context it does not.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The plot does not require chemistry between Jyn and Cassian.
Besides, Cassian thinks Jyn is the daughter of an enemy.
Insein
Footballguy
Han shot first came about like you said due to the special edition nonsense. But it was because people remembered the original where he indeed shot his pistol before Greedo could shoot his. So it makes perfect contextual sense. If you watched ANH original copy with no knowledge of the issue, you would come away seeing that Han Solo was held up at gun point and being threatened to be shot but he was able to kill his attacker first by shooting him.
Han shot first before Greedo could shoot him. Seems easily understandable in context.
shadyridr
Footballguy
It does require chemistry if we are to believe he would follow her and then the hug at the end. Even poe and Finns hug showed more emotion lol
PIK95
Footballguy
I was just shocked that the ships that were already in space didn't get away. I wasn't shocked all the surface people got whacked after they did the same thing at the beginning of the movie.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I don't think you are wrong, but these movies have different jobs. Force Awakens needed to set up the characters more, as we will be hanging out with these people over the next few movies. R1 didn't have to worry about that as much as we saw what happened to all our characters. They both had their strengths and weaknesses, but to me it tied in to what FA had to do with setting up things and rebooting our interest vs. R1 just telling it's one-off more self contained story.
Insein
Footballguy
"Hey pal. We know nothing about each other but were cool now that we've escaped in a stolen tie fighter. Bros for life?" :Fistpound:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Okay. I would describe it differently than "first", but I'll accept it.Han shot first came about like you said due to the special edition nonsense. But it was because people remembered the original where he indeed shot his pistol before Greedo could shoot his. So it makes perfect contextual sense. If you watched ANH original copy with no knowledge of the issue, you would come away seeing that Han Solo was held up at gun point and being threatened to be shot but he was able to kill his attacker first by shooting him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He follows her initially because he thinks she'll take him to Galen.
After he believes her story (and her father's) then things get more copacetic. It's just a different dynamic.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I agree but we barely feel anything when all the characters die. But like you said perhaps that's the point. These were basically forgotten heroes.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Another awesome thing about Rogue One is how terrifying the Death Star becomes.
It's strange that the destruction of an entire planet is less visceral than a city, but it is.
It's strange that the destruction of an entire planet is less visceral than a city, but it is.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes it was a different kind of terror seeing a shockwave come at you. The impending doom building up that you know you have no chance to escape. Death Star 1 (ANH), 2 and 3 it's just boom dead. There's maybe a fraction of a second where you're mind thinks "what the hell was that" but it's over so fast you never process the thought. These practice strikes and the big menacing threat looming over the horizon made the death star a feared monster again.
PIK95
Footballguy
I didn't even realize that was Whitaker. I knew he was familiar (loved him in Blown Away)?, but didn't realize. I thought Nas was Shia Labuffe (whatever his name is) for most of the movie. I kept thinking that he was a much better now, lol. I was tired after a soccer tournament and it was 3d. That's my excuse anyway.
Capella
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
"Greedo was thinking of maybe shooting Han at some point in the near future, but Han shot first."
LAUNCH
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Agreed. I don't know if people are necessarily asking for romantic attachment between the two main characters, but I'm glad the film didn't go that route. There's no reason for these characters to like one another.
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bagger
Footballguy
Really hoping Hugh Grant and Renee Zellwegger can be in an upcoming Star Wars movie to give us the rom com Star Wars movie we have all been clamoring for.
Insein
Footballguy
Anakin: Don't be afraid.
Padme: I'm not afraid to die. I've been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life.
Anakin: What are you talking about?
Padme: I love you.
Anakin: You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.
Padme: I think our lives are about to be destroyed anyway. I truly... deeply... love you and before we die I want you to know.
need2know
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Probably the worst part of the movie for me was Whitaker's hair. I'm not saying it ruins the movie, but was very distracting and ultimately disappointing given the potential.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
He was actually bald in the original shoot but I'm assuming grew his hair before the reshoots
Thunderlips
Footballguy
:waveshandinfrontofyourface: .........You didn't enjoy this movie very much......
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
If X-wings are so effective against AT-ATs why didn't the rebels throw a few at the walker assault on Hoth?
The T-47 snowspeeders were a joke.
The T-47 snowspeeders were a joke.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Because the x-wings were with the fleet and the fleet wasn't at Hoth. There were only enough X-wings to provide minimal cover for evacuating transports.If X-wings are so effective against AT-ATs why didn't the rebels throw a few at the walker assault on Hoth?
The T-47 snowspeeders were a joke.
They were hiding, not massing forces.
Insein
Footballguy
We covered this earlier in the thread. See Andy's post above.If X-wings are so effective against AT-ATs why didn't the rebels throw a few at the walker assault on Hoth?
The T-47 snowspeeders were a joke.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But if they were shot down they couldn't protect the transports. The personnel were more important.
The Rebels simply weren't going to win the battle of Hoth.
Insein
Footballguy
2 Fighters per transport. There was about 30 transports to get out of there. They didn't worry about the ground assault because their aim was escape. They needed the xwings to defend the transports in space.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
They prolly made improvements to the AT-ATs once they saw how susceptible they were to air attacks.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
if they didn't care about attacking / slowing the AT-ATs, why did they bother sending T-47 snowspeeders to die?~!~!@!~?
Poor Dak. I bet if he knew how incompetent the rebel leaders were he wouldn't have joined the rebellion.
PLOT HOLE!~@!~@
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
THIS I could see. Makes a lot of sense, when you really think about it. Those leg joints looked super weak in R1.
I also think the rebels might have been a little cocky. They ####ed #### up in R1 with a minimal force. I think they might have been trying to challenge themselves with the whole harpoon gun shtick.
GregR
Footballguy
I couldn't not see Forest Whitaker the entire time he was on screen. Felt like I was watching Battlefield Earth again.
Osaurus
Footballguy
bagger
Footballguy
Exactly... even if they defeated all of the at ats with their x wings their base was found and they could have been bombarded into oblivion unless they escaped. The snowspeeders were meant to delay to get everyone out not win.
pats3in4
Footballguy
I loved it. I think it edges out A New Hope in 2nd place after Empire. It feels like it was made for me: A movie made for the now-adults who were (and remain) huge fans upon seeing the original theatrical releases 34-40 years ago. If this is how these stand-alone Star Wars stories are going to go, I hope they get churned out routinely and are more adult, more dark with their focus market being the old fans like me.
One of the reasons I rate this movie so high because its rewatchability is excellent. I loved The Force Awakens the first time I saw it, but it hasn't held up well upon additional viewings. I suspect that's because Episodes 8 and 9 need to tie up many loose ends so I'm withholding final judgment, but right now it's a flaw that Rogue One doesn't suffer. Rogue One is actually better the 2nd time watching it as the first two acts don't drag as long as they did upon the first viewing, knowing where the plot is going. And the third act is arguably the best in the 8 movies, up there with the Endor/Space/Emperor's Chamber battle in Jedi.
One of the reasons I rate this movie so high because its rewatchability is excellent. I loved The Force Awakens the first time I saw it, but it hasn't held up well upon additional viewings. I suspect that's because Episodes 8 and 9 need to tie up many loose ends so I'm withholding final judgment, but right now it's a flaw that Rogue One doesn't suffer. Rogue One is actually better the 2nd time watching it as the first two acts don't drag as long as they did upon the first viewing, knowing where the plot is going. And the third act is arguably the best in the 8 movies, up there with the Endor/Space/Emperor's Chamber battle in Jedi.
