Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Everybody hates Keenan Allen.
Completely agree with your comment (and elsewhere) about dynasty owners being under-reactionary. Not critical of that in itself because I’ve always been willing to “overpay” or buy high on a player to the point where it looks like I’m easily losing a trade at the time. I understand the DK argument I guess, but I’m just not fully bought in. I’m not convinced at all that he’s on the Moss/Megatron track. Happy to miss out on him (maybe it’s take lock too because I didn’t like him much coming out) as there are plenty of young WRs with similar upside imo.He's WR3 in PPG at age 22 and is tied to one of the league's best quarterbacks for likely the majority of his career.
And of course he has that salivating size/speed combo that everyone always craves. Usually those guys end up being complete trash that never do anything (DGB, St Brown, etc) or Hall of fame studs that are top 3 startup picks for half a dozen years (Moss, Megatron). DK certainly doesn't look like he falls into the former category.
Unless he has a huge regression the rest of this season there will likely be no reasonable price you can pay to acquire him next offseason.
As to the last comment about people being reactionary, I have talked about that a lot, I think as recently as just a few pages back. Simply put, I find most dynasty owners to be UNDERreactionary. At this time last year people were still asking for a 1st on top of OBJ to get Tyreek Hill, and people wanted 2-3 1sts on top of Aaron Jones to get JuJu even though the writing was on the wall.
Jones is actually older, but he has outperformed him. Jones's contract status is also up in the air and who knows where he'll land (unless he gets an extension). That said, the past year and six weeks, Jones has outperformed him. Tough to justify that deal from his end, I guess, but that trade is about where Zeke's quantified value is, unless I add a guy to make it dead even.Dr. Octopus said:Well Aaron Jones has outperformed him for the last two seasons and (I think) is younger - but agree Zeke's trade value is not the same. I've had trouble trying to find anyone that wants to give fair value.
Pretty close to zero.What are thoughts on Drew Brees' value in terms of 2021 rookie pick in a 12 tm dynasty where we start 1 QB?
Production might dictate a late 1st value, but I don’t believe many/any pay that in non ppr due to his injury history.What's Will Fuller worth to a non-ppr semi-rebuilding team? Late first?
I'll settle for an opinion on just the non-ppr part.
Pretty much spot-on, IMO.Production might dictate a late 1st value, but I don’t believe many/any pay that in non ppr due to his injury history.
I'm in a 16 TM PPR and I've offered him to all the top teams (some need another WR) for their 1st rd picks and all have declined. I know you said Non-ppr, but thought it might help.What's Will Fuller worth to a non-ppr semi-rebuilding team? Late first?
I'll settle for an opinion on just the non-ppr part.
You make a good point, and I can see a path to him being 1 overall. I would still say it's more likely that CMC and Barkley are above any WRs, and a couple of Jacobs, Sanders, CEH, Taylor, Dalvin, Mixon, etc. will likely finish strong and look well set-up going into the season next year.I agree on the plethora of WRs but I'm not sure there is going to be a clear cut RB to take at the top. The current elite crop are hitting the age where dynasty owners start to lose interest that early, and the really young guys haven't played well enough to go that early.
I could definitely see DK going over Zeke who will be 26 by then, Saquon, Dalvin, CEH, and JT. That leaves CMC as the real major competition for 1.01 but he'll be 25 and if they reduce his touches the back half of this year with Mike Davis looking like a guy plenty capable of getting 30% of the touches instead of 5% then that could really put the kabosh on the huge scoring advantage he was offering the last couple years.
Not saying it will for sure happen, but there is a pretty reasonable path to it. In established leagues I don't think people would trade those RBs straight up for him but things are different in startup drafts where people are working from a blank slate and think they'll have plenty of time to take care of RB needs throughout the draft.
Evergreen statement. I offloaded my last copies of him in 2019 because he's a trade albatross. It doesn't make any sense, either.Andy Dufresne said:Everybody hates Keenan Allen.
For reference sake: 14 team league .. no ppr- before this week I sold Cam and Lockett for Lock and DJ MooreI’d believe Tyler Lockett’s value is higher than it will ever be. I was looking for a game like this, to look to move him for a younger player. I was contemplating going after Tee Higgins, as he’s 7 years younger, and tied to Joe Burrow for many years. I’m now thinking of trying for DK Metcalf. What is his dynasty value relative to those 2? Fair offer? Not enough for either Higgins or Metcalf? Thanks
Well..this owner is prone to make rediculous deals.Metcalf? For Lockett?
Well this would qualify. Go for it then!Well..this owner is prone to make rediculous deals.
A lot of people feel Metcalf could be the #1 overall dynasty player by season's end.I’m now thinking of trying for DK Metcalf.
I am indifferent. I know, at least in my leagues, the price on Taylor is very high. What are people seeing as a price to pay to get Swift in PPR dynasty?Anybody else prefer Swift to Taylor? Am I crazy? I was surprised that their PFF grades are about the same, as Swift has looked better to me. Swift hasn’t blown me away either, but Taylor seems to have some potential red flags. Taylor’s athleticism is evident when he’s in space, but he’s struggled in traffic. I think I’d rather wait out Patricia than hope Taylor fixes his issues.
The gap is tiny for me, I don’t want to sound more confident than I am. But I liked Swift more in April and Taylor hasn’t really capitalized on the opportunity that gave him such a value boost.
I haven't seen any Swift or Taylor trades in my leagues, but ADP puts Taylor securely in round 1 and Swift in the 2nd/3rd.I am indifferent. I know, at least in my leagues, the price on Taylor is very high. What are people seeing as a price to pay to get Swift in PPR dynasty?
I’ll give you that in a SF league.Kyle Allen in a 12 team superflex league.
Am I way off that he's worth a late 2nd to a competing team that doesn't have a QB3?
I can see that in SFKyle Allen in a 12 team superflex league.
Am I way off that he's worth a late 2nd to a competing team that doesn't have a QB3?
I paid Evans straight up for Swift 1 week ago. I haven’t seen him traded elsewhere.I am indifferent. I know, at least in my leagues, the price on Taylor is very high. What are people seeing as a price to pay to get Swift in PPR dynasty?
I think Waller/mid 1is a respectable offer. The problem, especially when n TE Premium, is that the top guys are true difference makers. I can understand why teams aren’t excited to part with them.im a little bit biased about Engram's value so just looking for a reality check on his value
im 5-2 and my te spot is my weakness
I think this year is a write off for him but he is still a top 5 te potential
IDP Super flex TE premium league
.5 pt rb ppr
1 pt wr ppr
2 pt te ppr
i offered engram and a 1st for kittle and 2nd and was declined . i thought he would counter without a 2nd for sure
was going to offer the same deal for waller
am i off my rocker or close to his perceived trade value?
I sold him for two seconds right after he signed with Tampa. That he cleared waivers was a statement on how the league values him, IMO. I wouldn't trade a late 1st for him. Next years class looks deep, so probably not an early second either. He has upside if he lands in the right situation next season, and I could end up regretting the deal. But that's where I am at with him today.I’m having a hard time valuing Fournette. He’s not far removed from RB1/2 seasons, was cut by his team, landed in a good spot, is in a timeshare, got injured, is young’ish, etc, etc.
I expect a wide range of values for him. Do you think he’s worth a late 1?
Off your rocker.im a little bit biased about Engram's value so just looking for a reality check on his value
im 5-2 and my te spot is my weakness
I think this year is a write off for him but he is still a top 5 te potential
IDP Super flex TE premium league
.5 pt rb ppr
1 pt wr ppr
2 pt te ppr
i offered engram and a 1st for kittle and 2nd and was declined . i thought he would counter without a 2nd for sure
was going to offer the same deal for waller
am i off my rocker or close to his perceived trade value?
Thanks for taking the time to reply .Off your rocker.
Engram doesn't carry much value at all, IMO. Heck, he's almost unstartable, and we don't have a lot of reasons to think that will change any time soon. Especially in a TE premium league, guys like Waller and Kittle carry TONS of value and your offer isn't close.
thanks for taking the time to replyI think Waller/mid 1is a respectable offer. The problem, especially when n TE Premium, is that the top guys are true difference makers. I can understand why teams aren’t excited to part with them.
This was eye opening.This did a lot to cool me on Taylor.
Taylor was doing that in his college highlights, it's just that nobody noticed. (Well, at the risk of tooting my own horn too soon, I did.)It reminds me a lot of Reggie Bush. Obviously they are COMPLETELY different kinds of players but they both seemed to suffer from the same thing where instead of making a SUDDEN cut or sudden move with a burst to make a guy miss while maintaining speed, they indecisively kind of juke in place and take 5 steps to not move at all, killing all their momentum and making it easy for the defender to just kind of wrap them up, and assuring that even if they do make the defender miss there will be 7 guys there to pile on them while they are standing in mud afterwards anyways.
Interested in thoughts here as well. I've been holding him in a couple leagues but between his health and the teams overall stinkage it's hard to get a handle on him.Is there any value in holding Herndon to see what he looks like with Lawrence, or safe to drop at this point? Is he a candidate to be cut by Jets this offseason?
Yes, it's Dynasty. Although probably not worth much in the future mainly it's for playoff teams this year.robb said:I’ll give you that in a SF league.
what about in Dynasty Leagues?
I think I’d try to give up your 2nd instead if it’s going to be later. But I would probably take it either way. Shenault has flashed, and that’s what all you can really hope for in a 2nd round pick anyway.I am curious what the sharks think... I was offered Shenault for my Engram (my TE3) and a 2022 2nd (not mine; it stands to be a non-playoff. Yes, you can't predict that but it's a team that started a major rebuild this year). I am fairly deep at wide receiver, but value is value. 1 TE PPR
HendersonHow would you rank R. jones, Fournette, Akers and Henderson?
I really struggle with this group, hence the question. They’re all on the same tier for me, I think. I’d go Henderson, Jones, Akers, Fournette right now. That might change in a few minutes, however.Henderson
Fournette
Akers
Jones
T1 - CEH, Lamb, JeffersonT1 - CEH
T2 - Jefferson, Lamb, Swift, Taylor
T3 - Gibson, Robinson, Dobbins
T4 - Higgins, Claypool
T5 - Jeudy, Herbert, Burrow, Ruggs
Did you miss Taylor, or is he outside of your top 13?T1 - CEH, Lamb, Jefferson
T2 - Higgins, Claypool, Robinson, Herbert, Burrow
T3 - Gibson, Swift
T4 - Jeudy, Ruggs, Dobbins
Oops. Tier 2. Bordering on 3.Did you miss Taylor, or is he outside of your top 13?
Henderson, Akers, Jones, FournetteHow would you rank R. jones, Fournette, Akers and Henderson?