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Finding common ground (1 Viewer)

David Dodds

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We get it.  The left hates everything about Trump.  And the right hates everything about the left.  And the FFA loves to be snarky with gotcha moments, etc.  You know side you usually sit with on most issues.  I am opening up this thread in hopes we can try and find middling ground by people posting something from their side of politics that they disagree with.

 
I don't agree with most of my libertarian peers on abortion (I'm pro-life) or foreign policy (I wouldn't call myself a hawk, but many libertarians are too isolationist for my tastes).

 
Not exactly what is asked for but...

Everyone agrees that too much government is bad but not enough government is also bad. We just differ on where we should be on the spectrum.

 
Not a Trump voter myself, but haven't been that impacted about most of what he is trying to do.  Here are the exceptions:

1.  The Betsy Devos pick was historically bad.  Even if your goal is to abolish the Dept, it was a bad pick. 

2. The idiotic tweets about Nordstrom, ratings on the Apprentice, etc.  I like that the President has a direct channel to the people.  Both Obama and now Trump have 15M+ followers.  But cut out the stupid tweeting.

and something being suggested today about a psychiatrist for the Whitehouse.  I would take it further.  I think there needs to be a doctor assigned to all Presidents checking mental capacity that is truly neutral.  Reagan developed Alzheimer's, HRC had something going on making it tough to walk, and Trump could very well have something wrong.  This kind of detail should not be held in confidence.  It transcends party lines.  

 
I don't agree with most of my libertarian peers on abortion (I'm pro-life) or foreign policy (I wouldn't call myself a hawk, but many libertarians are too isolationist for my tastes).
I find the libertarian views on drugs and firearms to be too loose. This country isn't (and may never be) ready.

 
I loathe Donald Trump and question the sanity or intelligence of his voters, but believe in smaller government in general.  I also don't want to take away anyone's guns.  

There I started!

 
Hi! I am Courtjester.

I am a Trump supporter.

I am pro-choice, I don't care who you marry, I hate getting involved in any Middle East wars and I like things that are good for the environment.

 
I was thinking yoga pants!  Can't we at least come together over those?  

 
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Liberal here and I think the hijacking of the primary in Hillary's favor gave us Trump as president.  Liberals in power tend to think they know what's right for everyone and have forgotten the working man imho.  Way too much focus on sexual identity, race, etc.  We should take care of our own first and then reach out to the rest of the world.  And if our own are struggling, we should provide tools (education, re-training) which they can use to pull themselves back up.

 
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Hey!

Let's create a Political Forum with two clicks and let everyone whip out their ####'s in terrible, sanctimonious arguments and get back to what's really important, like 2017 Weather Updates and hot girls in yoga pants and fat guys wanting to lose weight.

Yea...

 
Not a Trump voter myself, but haven't been that impacted about most of what he is trying to do.  Here are the exceptions:

1.  The Betsy Devos pick was historically bad.  Even if your goal is to abolish the Dept, it was a bad pick. 

2. The idiotic tweets about Nordstrom, ratings on the Apprentice, etc.  I like that the President has a direct channel to the people.  Both Obama and now Trump have 15M+ followers.  But cut out the stupid tweeting.

and something being suggested today about a psychiatrist for the Whitehouse.  I would take it further.  I think there needs to be a doctor assigned to all Presidents checking mental capacity that is truly neutral.  Reagan developed Alzheimer's, HRC had something going on making it tough to walk, and Trump could very well have something wrong.  This kind of detail should not be held in confidence.  It transcends party lines.  
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong. Isn't this post the exact opposite of what your thread was supposed to be? 

 
As a lifelong Democrat, I am mostly disappointed in this:

- Post analysis of Bernie-gate (for lack of a better word).  What is the DNC going to do going forward to give the power back to the people?  Under Kaine's DNC leadership, there were lots of debates allowing Obama a fighting chance to be the nominee.  This past election I think there were three square-offs between Bernie and Hillary.  Additionally, I think most Democrats hate the role of the Super delegates.  If you keep them in some capacity, can't you make them remain silent until their vote AFTER the primaries?  Announcing they all were for Hillary before the start of the campaign and reaffirming it before the California primary was awful.  Will this be corrected going forward or is the goal to continue to suppress the vote of the people?  Many Bernie supporters I know abandoned the party (for now).  These voters may come back if Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but what is the Democratic Party doing to bring them back in the fold?

 
I think we should start with the fact that most everybody in this country, and I include Donald Trump, operate at on a higher moral plane than the really bad guys of the world: I'm talking about the terrorists, the Communists and Nazis of the past, murderous dictators like Assad, etc. For all of our faults and disagreements, we are the good guys. Almost all of us believe in the elements of our society that make us better than the bad guys: freedom, the rule of law, individual rights, etc. We disagree on how these are applied in each specific situation, but we all agree that they are worthy ideals that separate us from those who don't believe in those ideals. 

 
Pro choice

Pro gay

Pro gun (but not to the extent the NRA is pro gun)

Pro marijuana

Trump should stay the #### off Twitter and never speak publicly on...anything

Basically I have no party, but I think libertarian is the closest.

 
I am Canadian. In my experience in the political threads here, most people agree that the US should have a Canadian (or Australian if you prefer) style points system for immigration. It works very well here :thumbup: , there are exceptions (Quebec City :( ). I think there's clear common ground here but things like muslim bans and walls are so divisive in terms of the path to that generally preferred mutual destination that the conversation never really gets that far. 

 
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Not a Trump voter myself, but haven't been that impacted about most of what he is trying to do.  Here are the exceptions:

1.  The Betsy Devos pick was historically bad.  Even if your goal is to abolish the Dept, it was a bad pick. 

2. The idiotic tweets about Nordstrom, ratings on the Apprentice, etc.  I like that the President has a direct channel to the people.  Both Obama and now Trump have 15M+ followers.  But cut out the stupid tweeting.

and something being suggested today about a psychiatrist for the Whitehouse.  I would take it further.  I think there needs to be a doctor assigned to all Presidents checking mental capacity that is truly neutral.  Reagan developed Alzheimer's, HRC had something going on making it tough to walk, and Trump could very well have something wrong.  This kind of detail should not be held in confidence.  It transcends party lines.  
In the spirit of the thread (?) I'll go the other way on this. I think this is a childish and silly move by the Dems that also stigmatizes mental illness.

If it's a genuinely good idea- and it might be- then they should do it another time.

 
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Voted for Johnson.  Romney in '12 and Obama in '08.  Fall on the smaller the better for the Federal Government.

However, I believe it is time for nationalized healthcare for all.  Time to get rid of the employer health insurance model.

 
Voted for Johnson.  Romney in '12 and Obama in '08.  Fall on the smaller the better for the Federal Government.

However, I believe it is time for nationalized healthcare for all.  Time to get rid of the employer health insurance model.
I'll one up you and say we need to start talking about guaranteed minimum income.

 
I think a return of the Roosevelt-era Progressive Party (The Bull Moose Party) would probably get unbelievably widespread support in this country.  I hate that the current liberal mindset is co-opting the meaning of "progressive" politics in an effort to try to appeal to actual progressives.

 
I think a return of the Roosevelt-era Progressive Party (The Bull Moose Party) would probably get unbelievably widespread support in this country.  I hate that the current liberal mindset is co-opting the meaning of "progressive" politics in an effort to try to appeal to actual progressives.
Just read the Wikipedia entry on the Bull Moose Party and that is mainly a platform I would support.

 
I think a return of the Roosevelt-era Progressive Party (The Bull Moose Party) would probably get unbelievably widespread support in this country.  I hate that the current liberal mindset is co-opting the meaning of "progressive" politics in an effort to try to appeal to actual progressives.
What is the actual meaning of progressive? I ask that seriously. The people that I know that self-identify as progressives are really just extreme Leftists/Socialists at heart.

 
Just read the Wikipedia entry on the Bull Moose Party and that is mainly a platform I would support.
I think everyone would.  Their actual platform the year they were created is almost 100% everything everyone now agrees on, now that it's almost all been enacted.  Worker's comp.  An inheritance tax.  Women's suffrage.  Keeping records of Congressional sessions. 

"To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."

 
I think there are many things most could probably agree on

1. Spending money we spend elsewhere on those less fortunate here

2. Clean air and water 

3. Good infrastructure

4. Public safety

 
What is the actual meaning of progressive? I ask that seriously. The people that I know that self-identify as progressives are really just extreme Leftists/Socialists at heart.
Yeah, it was actually an offshoot of the Republican Party.  It just means that you think that science, technology, and economic development programs should be the basis of civilization, and generally everyone deserves the chance to thrive.  Women should get the right to vote. There should be a minimum wage of some sort.  Corporations should not run government.  That sort of thing.

 
I hope all would agree that a separate forum for all things political, religious and sociological would free this space to focus on pizza, bacon and who's hottest. 

 
Liberal here and I think the hijacking of the primary in Hillary's favor gave us Trump as president.  Liberals in power tend to think they know what's right for everyone and have forgotten the working man imho.  Way too much focus on sexual identity, race, etc.  We should take care of our own first and then reach out to the rest of the world.  And if our own are struggling, we should provide tools (education, re-training) which they can use to pull themselves back up.
I identify more liberal than conservative on most things, but yes, it's bordering on ridiculous, and I truly think these two things are driving many middle of the road people away. The Democrats strategy has become "how many inner city people can we bus to the polls, and how inclusive can we get?" I see Facebook posts by parents concerned not about Target's bathrooms, but the bathrooms in their kid's school. IMHO, they have a point.

I can definitely see where working class people said "enough".  

 
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Basically, the Progressive Era is what led to raising the Greatest Generation.  But then a bunch of severe leftists decided to make a new "Progressive" party in the 1940s, HUAC decided they were all Communists, and it's been verboten ever since.  Until it was brought back up in the Obama period, and now it's some weird hybrid that I hate.

 
The key is not to bring back the coal jobs for example but to find money that we spend internationally or on the military and training those workers to do something else

 
The key is not to bring back the coal jobs for example but to find money that we spend internationally or on the military and training those workers to do something else
Yes, absolutely.  And especially when we're talking about potential new energy jobs - get those people retrained to do the new energy jobs!  I mean, my God, coal miners can literally dig combustible rocks out of the Earth.  Is there some reason we think that area can't become a tremendous place for manufacturing jobs? Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, wave energy collectors, something?

 
Basically, the Progressive Era is what led to raising the Greatest Generation.  But then a bunch of severe leftists decided to make a new "Progressive" party in the 1940s, HUAC decided they were all Communists, and it's been verboten ever since.  Until it was brought back up in the Obama period, and now it's some weird hybrid that I hate.
I'm a thick headed lefty and I'm just not following what you're saying.

 
Yes, absolutely.  And especially when we're talking about potential new energy jobs - get those people retrained to do the new energy jobs!  I mean, my God, coal miners can literally dig combustible rocks out of the Earth.  Is there some reason we think that area can't become a tremendous place for manufacturing jobs? Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, wave energy collectors, something?
And I think this is something most people can agree on...

 

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