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You guys are great at this. Lets hear who you have on these. It's very helpful to morons like me.
I think most people just assume he's going to have a natural regression because his rookie year was pretty sensational. It's only natural that when someone breaks out like that, we assume he won't repeat in the 2nd year because defenses key in on him. That plus Cooks is gone, more double coverage. The addition of AP and Brees getting old, more run oriented than in the past is most peoples expectation. Can't speak for everyone but this seems to be the trend of his value.Would you Michael Thomas haters be ok with him as a keeper, if only giving up round 2 or 3 pick? Can't decide if you all expect him to really struggle or simply to not be worth 12th overall pick?
That is by far the boldest call of this thread. Needless to say, I'm 100% sure you'll end up with Marshall. Are you super high on Eli as well, or are you expecting Beckham to disappoint or get in trouble?Must Have
- Brandon Marshall: (Adp: 72, WR 31) Hot take alert...I think he is the most talented WR on the team and will finish with more FF points than OBJ. I think he is a solid WR1 that you can get for low WR3 price.
I am not high on Manning in general. I think the target split between Beckham and Marshall will not be that great and I think Marshall ends with more TD's, maybe as high as 13 or 14.That is by far the boldest call of this thread. Needless to say, I'm 100% sure you'll end up with Marshall. Are you super high on Eli as well, or are you expecting Beckham to disappoint or get in trouble?
I personally think Beckham is the most talented WR in the NFL right now, who wins at every level, and would have even larger numbers if he wasn't handcuffed by Eli.
Is his value trending down? Last FFPC ADP info I saw he was going 11th. I mean I see people here have him on their avoid list, which I strongly disagree with, but 11th overall seems like his value is trending up or at worse steady.I think most people just assume he's going to have a natural regression because his rookie year was pretty sensational. It's only natural that when someone breaks out like that, we assume he won't repeat in the 2nd year because defenses key in on him. That plus Cooks is gone, more double coverage. The addition of AP and Brees getting old, more run oriented than in the past is most peoples expectation. Can't speak for everyone but this seems to be the trend of his value.
I was thinking more in regards to the trades I've seen in that thread of the value he is going for. It's insane. In my FFPC startup he went 1.08 so I guess people aren't necessarily discounting him that much, but I can see the reasons for him to be on the "avoid" until he proves it some more. I'm a fan and an owner of him but 1st round is too rich for my blood.menobrown said:Is his value trending down? Last FFPC ADP info I saw he was going 11th. I mean I see people here have him on their avoid list, which I strongly disagree with, but 11th overall seems like his value is trending up or at worse steady.
He's absolutely not on my avoid list but glad to see him on so many others.
He showed up on a lot of peoples avoid list so in that respect you are on to something when you say his value is trending down. I had not noticed his value slipping in drafts I'd seen lately so to be honest was a little surprised to see him on so many people's avoid list, I had no idea.I was thinking more in regards to the trades I've seen in that thread of the value he is going for. It's insane. In my FFPC startup he went 1.08 so I guess people aren't necessarily discounting him that much, but I can see the reasons for him to be on the "avoid" until he proves it some more. I'm a fan and an owner of him but 1st round is too rich for my blood.
There are two main reasons why some are avoiding Thomas at his ADPHe showed up on a lot of peoples avoid list so in that respect you are on to something when you say his value is trending down. I had not noticed his value slipping in drafts I'd seen lately so to be honest was a little surprised to see him on so many people's avoid list, I had no idea.
Is he? He finished as QB10 last year in PPG, but his current ADP is QB7.1. Derek Carr, seems like he's still on the upswing(as is Cooper) but he's being valued as if he'll regress slightly. He's going in the teens in most leagues, and feels like a top-10 lock to me.
I don't agree with point 1. Cooks is not Randy Moss and I firmly don't believe teams game planned as if he was the #1 or he drew constant double teams or anything.There are two main reasons why some are avoiding Thomas at his ADP
1) He's going to be covered by the #1 corner. Easy to accumulate stats when defenses were gameplanning to take out Cooks.
2) During Brees' tenure in NO, he has NEVER had a WR with more than 130 targets. Only Jimmy Graham has had more and Graham at the time was a special talent. So some believe his upside is pretty much capped and his odds of exceeding his draft slot are low. Snead likely will benefit more from Cooks' departure than Thomas.
That said, he's still a pretty safe bet for 84-90 rec for 1100-1200 yards and 8-9 TDs again.....but I would much rather get him in mid 2nd round and not at the turn which is where he's going in many drafts.
Depends where you play I guess. On Yahoo he's QB17.Is he? He finished as QB10 last year in PPG, but his current ADP is QB7.
Is that Yahoo ADP or Yahoo's semi-"rankings" that aren't really thought through?Depends where you play I guess. On Yahoo he's QB17.
WR36 seems undervalued to me for the top WR in a Shanahan offense that should be playing from behind a lot. He's not a bad talent either, but I guess I could give you "mediocre" if we are addressing it from a relative perspective as compared to other teams' top WR.
- WR: Pierre Garcon (87, WR36) - Just too overvalued for IMO a mediocre player. Took advantage of a year with a team that didn't have much of a running game to compliment Kirk Cousins and is going to San Francisco. Not sold that he'll approach 1,000 yards and think it's more a situational price that's boosting his value.
Where are you comfortable taking Allen?Must have:
Cooks- don't over think it. Great ability and great QB. Multiple bombs to go with lots of catches.
Keenan Allen- finally puts together another nice season.
AJ Green- top 2 this year. Last year stung.
Tip : trade 2&3 at the end if it's a dynasty.
Avoid:
Zeke- as his QB has his sophomore slump so does he.
Martavis- No thanks
Lynch- nothing but a cash grab.
Ninth or tenth. Before Dez.Where are you comfortable taking Allen?
Ninth or tenth. Before Dez.
People would have said the same thing last yr about guys like Baldwin, Adams, Crabtree...Wow, that's early.