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White Nationalists march on University of Virginia (3 Viewers)
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The General
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I find this civil war schtick just a notch below as irratating as the Pizzagate stuff.
BigSteelThrill
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Lutherman2112
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The gathering called an off.....unlawful assembly.
The General
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Here's my guess. Trump gets bounced and these dopes go back to talking about the good ol days in their backyards with all the other Cletus and Wilburs.
The 99% rest of the country goes back to work, taking vacations, raising their families, complaining about taxes and their local sports teams.
Bruce Dickinson
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First-person account of last night from UVA law student on campus:
Hi all. I am a law student at the University of Virginia. Tonight, as you have seen from multiple posts, Richard Spencer and several neo-nazi groups held a surprise torch lit rally, ahead of the Unite the Right rally that is scheduled for tomorrow.
My friend and I arrived on campus and were met with hundreds of white nationalists--of course, 99% white men--carrying torches through what is known as the lawn, the main quad of campus. They chanted, "You will not replace us" and "white lives matter." Because they planned the rally for when students would not be on campus, and they held this rally as a surprise, there were comparatively much fewer counter-protestors. We tried to keep our distance, but felt it was tremendously important to document what was happening, so we went live on our phones; below is that video.
The white nationalist groups walked around the rotunda, which sits at the front of the lawn, and began to gather around the Thomas Jefferson statute on the other side of the rotunda. At the statute were about ten of our fellow UVA students, with a sign that read "UVA Students Against White Supremacy." The nazi group gathered around them for about 30 seconds, as the rest of the white nationalists came down from the steps and joined the circle, and then began to attack the UVA students at the base of the statute; the students were brutally beaten and outnumbered at least 50 to 1. Police began to intervene, seemingly spraying pepper spray or tear gas, forcing the crowd to disperse. Many people tried to run, and were arrested when they were caught by the police, who had formed a circle around the group.
Clashes continued to occur between the nazis, counter-protestors, and police; in the chaos, Richard Spencer ascended the stairs, and came to the balcony where my friend and I were watching in horror, trying to figure out what to do. When he reached the top, his security detail surrounded him, and it appeared as though he was attempting to make a speech. Someone brought out a megaphone for him but, as you can hear in the video, it was "out of juice." Richard Spencer screamed to the crowd, "We just won a historic victory. We occupy the streets."
When he realized he wasn't going to get the publicity he wanted, and when the fighting between protestors/counter-protestors intensified, Richard Spencer left, with his security detail and various other supporters (many of them much younger than I, probably about 15 or 16). I assume that he expected to be arrested for inciting a riot. His security detail surrounded him and escorted him back down the rotunda stairs, across the lawn, through campus, and finally to two cars awaiting his group. He left his younger supporters behind.
My friend and I were the only people who realized Richard Spencer left; no media were present. We were trying to notify media and police where he was on campus. We engaged very little--the Unite the Right members made it clear they would be armed, and my friend and I were concerned about our personal safety.
I have never been more terrified in my life than when I saw those hundreds of torches marching through campus. But the very few UVA students who were there held our ground--it was Richard Spencer who organized a surprise rally like a coward, and surrounded himself with a security detail while his own followers were tear-gassed and arrested.
This is a call to action--tomorrow will be one of the largest white nationalist protests in modern history. While Charlottesville had a tremendous turnout earlier in the summer, when the KKK held a rally in one of our parks downtown, the KKK was outnumbered by thousands of counter-protestors. As you can see from this video, tomorrow will be very different than that. These nazi groups are emboldened when met with little opposition. We need as many protestors here tomorrow as possible; there is strength in numbers, as well as safety.
I'm scared, of course I am, but I will be there tomorrow because I have a duty to be. As a white person, I know it is easier for me to occupy this space safely than persons of color. I'm going to show up for all of the people who cannot. Please join us, if you are able to.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke
My friend and I arrived on campus and were met with hundreds of white nationalists--of course, 99% white men--carrying torches through what is known as the lawn, the main quad of campus. They chanted, "You will not replace us" and "white lives matter." Because they planned the rally for when students would not be on campus, and they held this rally as a surprise, there were comparatively much fewer counter-protestors. We tried to keep our distance, but felt it was tremendously important to document what was happening, so we went live on our phones; below is that video.
The white nationalist groups walked around the rotunda, which sits at the front of the lawn, and began to gather around the Thomas Jefferson statute on the other side of the rotunda. At the statute were about ten of our fellow UVA students, with a sign that read "UVA Students Against White Supremacy." The nazi group gathered around them for about 30 seconds, as the rest of the white nationalists came down from the steps and joined the circle, and then began to attack the UVA students at the base of the statute; the students were brutally beaten and outnumbered at least 50 to 1. Police began to intervene, seemingly spraying pepper spray or tear gas, forcing the crowd to disperse. Many people tried to run, and were arrested when they were caught by the police, who had formed a circle around the group.
Clashes continued to occur between the nazis, counter-protestors, and police; in the chaos, Richard Spencer ascended the stairs, and came to the balcony where my friend and I were watching in horror, trying to figure out what to do. When he reached the top, his security detail surrounded him, and it appeared as though he was attempting to make a speech. Someone brought out a megaphone for him but, as you can hear in the video, it was "out of juice." Richard Spencer screamed to the crowd, "We just won a historic victory. We occupy the streets."
When he realized he wasn't going to get the publicity he wanted, and when the fighting between protestors/counter-protestors intensified, Richard Spencer left, with his security detail and various other supporters (many of them much younger than I, probably about 15 or 16). I assume that he expected to be arrested for inciting a riot. His security detail surrounded him and escorted him back down the rotunda stairs, across the lawn, through campus, and finally to two cars awaiting his group. He left his younger supporters behind.
My friend and I were the only people who realized Richard Spencer left; no media were present. We were trying to notify media and police where he was on campus. We engaged very little--the Unite the Right members made it clear they would be armed, and my friend and I were concerned about our personal safety.
I have never been more terrified in my life than when I saw those hundreds of torches marching through campus. But the very few UVA students who were there held our ground--it was Richard Spencer who organized a surprise rally like a coward, and surrounded himself with a security detail while his own followers were tear-gassed and arrested.
This is a call to action--tomorrow will be one of the largest white nationalist protests in modern history. While Charlottesville had a tremendous turnout earlier in the summer, when the KKK held a rally in one of our parks downtown, the KKK was outnumbered by thousands of counter-protestors. As you can see from this video, tomorrow will be very different than that. These nazi groups are emboldened when met with little opposition. We need as many protestors here tomorrow as possible; there is strength in numbers, as well as safety.
I'm scared, of course I am, but I will be there tomorrow because I have a duty to be. As a white person, I know it is easier for me to occupy this space safely than persons of color. I'm going to show up for all of the people who cannot. Please join us, if you are able to.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke
Dedfin
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I don't see it that way. We aren't witnessing a trend. We are witnessing a death throe.
msommer
Footballguy
But the statues, what happens to the statues?????
By GAWD, can't YOU SEE?!?
PERSECUTION!
msommer
Footballguy
We did have BLM which argueably promoted cops to be targeted and killed. Obama was a supporter.
Dedfin
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The General
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msommer
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Could you imagine the sh#tstorm if that was a group of black dudes on their way to a BLM protest?
The General
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That's what this is here for. There's a guy in here talking about a civil war with the military, russia and rural farmers against liberal elites and immigrants
This whole thing is just a big fishing thread, lean into it.
Instead of condemning some of the rhetoric, Obama expressed sympathy for their frustration even in light of several shootings targeting numerous offices.
msommer
Footballguy
We should have a thread dedicated to his civil war predictions. Then have a draftThat's what this is here for. There's a guy in here talking about a civil war with the military, russia and rural farmers against liberal elites and immigrants
That is kind of funny. I get called out for making a legitimately debatable point in a thread where people are going over the top talking about a civil war and Trump using the military against Americans.That's what this is here for. There's a guy in here talking about a civil war with the military, russia and rural farmers against liberal elites and immigrants
This whole thing is just a big fishing thread, lean into it.
timschochet
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The General
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He denounced violence while acknowledging there was an issue, urged discussion, calmness, and dialogue.
RedmondLonghorn
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timschochet
Footballguy
jon mx alert!! Trump is being criticized. Gotta find something bad that Obama did that's similar! Then I add, "I don't like what Trump is doing, but Obama did the same thing!"
After the fourth incident, he finally condemned the shootings with no caveats. That might have been one of his best speeches. But IMHO, it was the speech he should of gave three weeks before. Of course the day of that speech i receive a 90 day timeout for suggesting such a speech.
Bruce Dickinson
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Richard Painter, who as you know is a lifelong Republican and was GWB's ethics lawyer while GWB was President, said today that Bannom, Gorka, and Miller need to be removed from the White House immediately. And if Trump won't do it, then remove Trump from office.
Bacon is Delicious
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Well that, or a job in the White House. He could work for Bannon or Gorka. Miller might need an assistant...
I did not being up the topic. It was pointed out that nothing compatible happened under Obama, and I was simply countering that opinion.
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timschochet
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The General
Footballguy
The civil war stuff is beyond stupid. That's stuff to me should just be ignored or made fun of.
Obama addessed BLM many times and always denounced violence but acknowledged there are issues.
What issues do these rednecks have that need to be addressed?
There is a general theory out there that movements make the most noise when they are dying
The General
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I'd want to see the speeches and timelines and see if I agree with your assessment of how Obama responded. I don't know what you got a TO for but 90 seem so long and whenever I don't agree you, you don't post stuff that I think is TO worthy.
Concerns over illegal immigration, the economy, and free speech coated with people who are legitimate racists. Trump should denounce, but won't. Or if he does he will caveat it.
Ramblin Wreck
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timschochet
Footballguy
Oh I can think of a whole list:
1. The Jews
2.The blacks.
3. The Communists.
4. The Muslims.
5. The Mexicans.
6. The Deep State.
7. The Globalists.
8. The Media.
9. The Homosexuals.
10. The Atheists.
11. Soccer.
Not necessarily in that order.
BeaverCleaver
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The General
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timschochet
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dschuler
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I have a feeling a lot of people who are going to criticize Trump for not saying anything didn't have a problem with Obama allowing 8 years of racial divisiveness. "Suppression" is not an excuse to riot. Just because one group riots doesn't mean to okay for another group to do the same
BigSteelThrill
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The General
Footballguy
Trump needs to denounce this but honestly it's probably better if he just shuts up or have someone write something for him he reads.
I don't want this dope anywhere near an open mic talking about this off the cuff.
I don't want this dope anywhere near an open mic talking about this off the cuff.
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