White Nationalists march on University of Virginia (4 Viewers)

[The General]

I have a feeling a lot of people who are going to criticize Trump for not saying anything didn't have a problem with Obama allowing 8 years of racial divisiveness.  "Suppression" is not an excuse to riot. Just because one group riots doesn't mean to okay for another group to do the same

Allowing 8 years of racial divisiveness

 

[jon_mx]

I'd want to see the speeches and timelines and see if I agree with your assessment of how Obama responded. I don't know what you got a TO for but 90 seem so long and whenever I don't agree you, you don't post stuff that I think is TO worthy.

Obama defends Black Lives Matter protests at police memorial in Dallas

Really no reason to defend BLM at that speech at a cops funeral.  It was only after another incident or two Obama delivered a speech which absolutely condemned the violence and said there was no justification.  Which was the right message just a bit late. 

 

[timschochet]

Allowing 8 years of racial divisiveness

It's true. After that first BLM protest, Obama should have rushed out of the Oval Office, faced the cameras and shouted, "I won't allow this!"

 

[jon_mx]

It's just plain legitimate racism. The rest is window dressing.

Probably at these rallies.  There is a lot of legitimate concern across the country with illegal immigration.  It is not my issue though. 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So the old banana in the... OBAMABENGHAZI!!!!!!... trick.

 

[timschochet]

Obama defends Black Lives Matter protests at police memorial in Dallas

Really no reason to defend BLM at that speech at a cops funeral.  It was only after another incident or two Obama delivered a speech which absolutely condemned the violence and said there was no justification.  Which was the right message just a bit late. 

Well, I agree the Washington Times can be trusted to analyze that speech objectively.

 

[The General]

Concerns over illegal immigration, the economy, and free speech coated with people who are legitimate racists.  Trump should denounce, but won't.  Or if he does he will caveat it. 

These goobers are worried about the economy and illegal immigration but BLM were just a bunch of thugs?

 

[jon_mx]

It's true. After that first BLM protest, Obama should have rushed out of the Oval Office, faced the cameras and shouted, "I won't allow this!"

There were multiple incidents of cops being gunned down.  Stop the gross mischaracterization. 

 

[The General]

Probably at these rallies.  There is a lot of legitimate concern across the country with illegal immigration.  It is not my issue though. 

Since BLM got pulled into this did that movement have any legitimate concerns?

 

[NREC34]

Barack Obama gave several speeches about race to try and ease the tensions. 

When most of the tension occurred due to him being elected I'm not sure what he was supposed to do. Resign?

 

[jon_mx]

Well, I agree the Washington Times can be trusted to analyze that speech objectively.

I could link to CNN and many other sources.  Washington Times is a legitimate source though for facts. 

 

[timschochet]

There were multiple incidents of cops being gunned down.  Stop the gross mischaracterization. 

Your second sentence is a good response to your first sentence.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I have a feeling a lot of people who are going to criticize Trump for not saying anything didn't have a problem with Obama allowing 8 years of racial divisiveness.  "Suppression" is not an excuse to riot. Just because one group riots doesn't mean to okay for another group to do the same

If you were any good at this, you would be able to work in Hillary's 33,000 emails as deserving a share of the blame.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

There were multiple incidents of cops being gunned down.  Stop the gross mischaracterization. 

By people who were being gunned down by cops.  Historically so, even.

Who is gunning down these rubes marching?

 

[jon_mx]

Since BLM got pulled into this did that movement have any legitimate concerns?

Yes.  There are too many killings by cops and a few should be prosecuted.  But still 99 percent of the shootings are probably justifiable including some of the most infamous ones. 

 

[kface]

There is absolutely no comparison to Obama in this

Stop arguing with him it just feeds his need for attention

 

[jon_mx]

Your second sentence is a good response to your first sentence.

You characterization was a complete lie Tim.  Don't be such a tool.  

 

[timschochet]

I could link to CNN and many other sources.  Washington Times is a legitimate source though for facts. 

Sure it is. "Obama defends BLM protests." I dare you to find that same headline from CNN.

 

[badmojo1006]

The First Lady is calling for calm, but where is the President?

probably out on the golf course

 

[jon_mx]

By people who were being gunned down by cops.  Historically so, even.

Who is gunning down these rubes marching?

Shooting innocent people is not justified.  Period.  I don't care how you spin it. 

 

[The General]

Yes.  There are too many killings by cops and a few should be prosecuted.  But still 99 percent of the shootings are probably justifiable including some of the most infamous ones. 

Just a few killings by the police.

Totally comparable to Wilbur in Virginia marching because some mexicaned fellas took his job.

 

[timschochet]

You characterization was a complete lie Tim.  Don't be such a tool.  

Again, it's amazing how your 2nd sentence always seems to be an appropriate response to your first sentence! Are you some kind of Sybil person?

 

[NREC34]

Sure it is. "Obama defends BLM protests." I dare you to find that same headline from CNN.

Even if they could find it, wouldn't it be considered fake news? Or is just fake part of the time?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Shooting innocent people is not justified.  Period.  I don't care how you spin it. 

Who is gunning down these rubes marching?  (you know, these guys marching with guns and fire)

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I bring up Obama whenever Trump gets criticized?

No, countering an opinion is what I was referring to.

 

[dschuler]

https://www.google.ca/search?q=obama+condemns+violence&oq=obama+condemns+violence&aqs=chrome..69i57.4528j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So then by that measure Trump has done as much as Obama in six months

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html

 

[kface]

If blm was heavily armed and took over a federal building jon would have lost his mind

 

[jon_mx]

Sure it is. "Obama defends BLM protests." I dare you to find that same headline from CNN.

President Obama Defends Stance on Police, Black Lives Matter

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4407362/president-obama-police-black-lives-matter-town-hall/

is Time ok? 

 

[Mile High]

Just a few killings by the police.

Totally comparable to Wilbur in Virginia marching because some mexicaned fellas took his job.

Probably didn't take his job until after he quit it because it was to hard, didn't show up for a few days until it was payday. 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If blm was heavily armed and took over a federal building jon would have lost his mind

<_<

 

[kface]

So then by that measure Trump has done as much as Obama in six months

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html

Really?

It's like you are not even trying to make sense

 

[The General]

President Obama Defends Stance on Police, Black Lives Matter

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4407362/president-obama-police-black-lives-matter-town-hall/

is Time ok? 

WHAT AN ANIMAL:

much of the President’s remarks echoed statements he has made over the past week. Obama has called for unity in the wake of the shootings, but also a recognition that biases and mistrust exist. He reiterated his belief that the country is not as divided as it seems and said he remains optimistic that things will improve.

 

[timschochet]

No, countering an opinion is what I was referring to.

Well I do try to offer my opinions here. I could limit my contribution to this forum to offering likes to any post that attacks anybody I disagree with, but that seems rather limiting.

 

[Kal El]

Personally, anyone who hates another based on race is not a smart person.

That said, I'm also upset that the marchers are trying to steal the Detroit Red Wings logo. It's been some time since I watched hockey, but they were my favorite team. Not to mention that Detroiters are actually pretty nice to people. The opposite of racists.

 

[JuniorNB]

Tough spot here for Trump. I'm sure he wants to be presidential, but this is 6000 Trump voters here. He's not going to speak to poorly of these white supremacists. That's his base.

 

[timschochet]

President Obama Defends Stance on Police, Black Lives Matter

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4407362/president-obama-police-black-lives-matter-town-hall/

is Time ok? 

Sure it is.

Time's Headline: "President Obama defends stance on police, Black Lives Matter.:"

Washington Times: "President Obama defends Black Lives Matter".

Do you detect any difference at all between these two headlines?

 

[sho nuff]

Well I do try to offer my opinions here. I could limit my contribution to this forum to offering likes to any post that attacks anybody I disagree with, but that seems rather limiting.

  good stuff

 

[jon_mx]

Sure it is.

Time's Headline: "President Obama defends stance on police, Black Lives Matter.:"

Washington Times: "President Obama defends Black Lives Matter".

Do you detect any difference at all between these two headlines?

Not really.  Both are fine.  

 

[adonis]

"Black Nationalists march on University of Virginia with torches blazing and guns visible."

I'm gonna guess this would get a different reaction from supporters of these folks.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The First Lady is calling for calm, but where is the President?

probably out on the golf course

Half of the replies there are some guy saying this is a fake nazi event organized by liberals to discredit Donald Trump.

 

[timschochet]

Not really.  Both are fine.  

OK sure.

 

[jon_mx]

Just a few killings by the police.

Totally comparable to Wilbur in Virginia marching because some mexicaned fellas took his job.

I was not comparing the justifications for the March.  I was referring to the violent rhetoric from both.  That needed to be condemned from both sides.  

 

[Ilov80s]

"Black Nationalists march on University of Virginia with torches blazing and guns visible."

I'm gonna guess this would get a different reaction from supporters of these folks.

If they were Muslims...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Stop.  Feeding.  The.  Trolls.

This isn't tax policy or charter schools or environmental regulations. There aren't legitimate arguments to be made from varying viewpoints. This is white supremacists gaining in numbers and visibility, unquestionably because of the attitudes of the White House. It's just bad.  Anyone who tries to change the subject, rather than condemning these garbage humans and hoping the White House will change direction and join the rest of humanity in doing the same, is in denial of this simple, obvious point. 

 

[jon_mx]

Stop.  Feeding.  The.  Trolls.

This isn't tax policy or charter schools or environmental regulations. There aren't legitimate arguments to be made from varying viewpoints. This is white supremacists gaining in numbers and visibility, unquestionably because of the attitudes of the White House. It's just bad.  Anyone who tries to change the subject, rather than condemning these garbage humans and hoping the White House will change direction and join the rest of humanity in doing the same, is in denial of this simple, obvious point. 

I have agreed it needs to be condemned.  I was simply countering a point which I disagreed with.  

 

[Ilov80s]

Just a few killings by the police.

Totally comparable to Wilbur in Virginia marching because some mexicaned fellas took his job.

A reporter interviewed one of the marcher and asked if this was about the statue. He said it wasn't but was because of millennials. He said they are degenerates who need safe spaces. I guess millennials really are ruining everything lol. 

 

[timschochet]

Stop.  Feeding.  The.  Trolls.

This isn't tax policy or charter schools or environmental regulations. There aren't legitimate arguments to be made from varying viewpoints. This is white supremacists gaining in numbers and visibility, unquestionably because of the attitudes of the White House. It's just bad.  Anyone who tries to change the subject, rather than condemning these garbage humans and hoping the White House will change direction and join the rest of humanity in doing the same, is in denial of this simple, obvious point. 

Tobias, the point is indeed so obvious that it's almost not worth discussing any longer. Which is probably why I got distracted...

 

[Limp Ditka]

Since I'm sure there are a couple there, I might as well get this out of the way....

I hate Illinois Nazis

 

[jon_mx]

I will let you guys get back to talking of fear and civil war 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Well I do try to offer my opinions here. I could limit my contribution to this forum to offering likes to any post that attacks anybody I disagree with, but that seems rather limiting.

Quite snarky today Timmy.