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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hope he goes to a team like Chicago or Buffalo so I don't have to consider him at pick 3 or 4.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He turned 23 three days ago, but yes, he was an old recruit - his h.s. senior year was limited to 3 games because FL doesn't allow players older than 19 years, 9 months.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
That's the drawback of being a star WR for Bama (or TE, Howard), they have 0 idea how to reliably throw the ball.
Gandalf
Footballguy
So he’s a late bloomer. I mean he’s still 23. We should focus less on age and more on whether he’s talented enough or not.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Well that's a factor though. You would generally expect more dominance out of those older prospects than you might of a guy like JuJu who was 19 starting his 3rd year in college. Ridley has nearly 3 years of physical growth on JuJu at the same point in his career. Put it another way - how dominant might JuJu be if he could play at USC through 2019?
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Gandalf
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Agreed - a factor but not a reason to completely avoid. Let’s hope he lands with a good QB.
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Andy Dufresne
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Andy Dufresne
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He's no Marvin Harrison but I'm mentioning Harrison because he was 24 when he played his first NFL season. He put up 1k season until age 35. Now he had Manning for that whole time which made his numbers fantastic but age shouldn't be the deciding factor in dynasty. I mean if Ridley goes to the 49ers, he starts at age 24. If a guy coming out is 21 and his QB is Flacco or Cam, who do you take? I take the 24 year old with Jimmy G.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I don't mind cam throwing to my receiver if he's a deep threat able to track well.
But if Ridley gets drafted by the bears or 49ers, which seems likely, he's not falling past my 1.04. if he's a Raven I'll probably go with Sutton or Washington (assuming Guice is gone).
Gandalf
Footballguy
Exactly. I take the guy who I think is most talented with the best QB. Harrison is the perfect example of not getting too hung up on age.
Gandalf
Footballguy
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I think that's Hank's point. It's tough to gauge how much is talent that is still developing and how much maturity matters. All else being equal we'd certainly expect more from a 22yo than a 19yo. If the 19yo appears equal, there's a fair chance he's the more talented as he continues to develop.
It's not a science but I think the point makes sense.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Right, but I didn't say anything about completely avoiding.
Right, but i didn't talk about his numbers. Regardless of who his QB is, JJSS has another three years to grow into his body, to get bigger, faster, stronger. How much better do you think JJSS will be when the 2019 NFL draft rolls around?
With most rookies we can project them with those 1-3 year more physical growth before they hit their age 24 season. That extra 1-3 years also comes with NFL caliber coaching, nutrition, and fitness training. Ridley doesn't get that. He's closer to his physical ceiling now than most rookie WR are, so there's less projected improvement there. That doesn't mean Ridley's not good enough now, plenty are and Harrison is a great example, and I'm not saying he can't still improve - obviously he can. I've still got Ridley quite high on my rankings, but if a 21 year old were to earn an identical performance rating as Ridley had done I'd prefer that guy.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
Agreed but I focus more on the talent of the player and situation over their age. It’s a factor but not my most important concern.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Statistically speaking Ridley was better as a 19 year old when he had a legit passing QB.
Harrison is an example of older rookie WR who developed well but a more recent example, from the same conference, is AJ Green. Green is only about 5 months younger entering the league as Ridley and put up similar stats in college.
IMO where Ridley should have extra appeal is that I think he's NFL ready. For sure landing spot matters in this equation but if a fantasy team(or real life team) is in need of immediate WR help I think that would make him more attractive, though for sure I''d not advocate letting need be your primary driver for using a top rookie pick it still matters.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I predict BUST at the next level. He quit on a possible TD reception at the beginning of the game. That’s all I needed to see. His younger brother is a better pro prospect. Just my opinion of course.
Gandalf
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
Ridley didn't look great last night, but it's understandable considering he was stuck with Hurts for the last 2 years, and once the backup came in, he targeted the receivers he was comfortable with... aka the backups. It's hard for a backup QB and 1st string WR to get on the same page quickly since they rarely practice together.
That said, he had a couple drops/balls went off his fingertips that you would have liked to have seen caught. If he goes to the Ravens he'll be a bust, if he goes somewhere with a good QB he'll be at least a solid WR2.
That said, he had a couple drops/balls went off his fingertips that you would have liked to have seen caught. If he goes to the Ravens he'll be a bust, if he goes somewhere with a good QB he'll be at least a solid WR2.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
And for those focused on age lil’ bro Riley Ridley is a 21 year old true sophomore. So he’ll be an “old” prospect as well - either a 23 y.o. rookie if he comes out a year early or 24 if he stays.Rhythmdoctor said:
JohnnyU
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Yeah, I don’t necessarily think Riley Ridley will be a good pro either. I was just emphasizing how much I dislike Calvin.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Landing spot is going to matter a lot with Ridley. He kind of reminds me of Corey Coleman with more shiftiness and better foot work. Now don't get me wrong, I think Ridley is a lot better than Coleman.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Why are rhe ridleys so old...for their class in college??
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm pick #7 this year, so I fear I may get stuck with him if the RBs I like get taken, and the two other WRs go to worse landing spots. That said, I "got stuck" with Dalvin Cook, Juju, OJ Howard, and Kamara last year. It's a non-ppr and I was aiming for McCaffrey, Njoku, Engram, and Zay Jones. Got sniped before each of my picks and ended up with these guys. Have to say I'm pretty happy with it.
So maybe Ridley will be the guy I don't really like, but end up with and end up happy about it. Michel is the RB version of that for me this year.
I see him in the Diggs, Coooper, A Brown mold. Where he falls in that spectrum who knows, but that's the kind of player he is to me and he is easily my top WR in this draft but that's a relative ranking. As in relative to right now I got 5 RB's I'd take over him, with a big stress on the right now.
I do think he's day one NFL starter and day one fantasy contributor and I'll say that before I even know where he is drafted. He's NFL ready made.
I do think he's day one NFL starter and day one fantasy contributor and I'll say that before I even know where he is drafted. He's NFL ready made.
I keep trying to find an answer to this and can't find a thing. All I can say is it does not have to do with post high school stuff, not like they sat out a year or went down some oddball juco/transfer route. They were old high school seniors.
