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According to ESPN's Cameron Wolfe, Josh Rosen has been getting "true starter burn" this week.

Rosen was working with the ones during Wednesday's joint practice with Tampa Bay. The 2018 first-rounder has spent the bulk of his brief Dolphins tenure behind Ryan Fitzpatrick but has made significant headway in recent weeks. It's unclear if he'll get the Week 1 nod, but Rosen should ascend to lead status at some point in 2019. However, when he makes that leap, he'll be doing so with a weak supporting cast and a suspect offensive line reeling from offseason losses.

SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter

Aug 14, 2019, 10:48 AM ET

 

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Josh Rosen completed 10-of-18 passes for 102 scoreless yards in the Dolphins’ second preseason game Friday at Tampa Bay.

He was sacked three times for a loss of 15 yards. Rosen drew the start and played the first 30 minutes before passing the baton to veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick in the second half. First-year head coach Brian Flores is giving Rosen a legitimate shot to win the starting role but on Friday night, he couldn’t take advantage of the opportunity. It wasn’t all Rosen’s fault as the 2018 first-rounder spent much of the evening running for his life behind a porous Miami offensive line. A pair of head-scratching drops by Preston Williams didn’t help matters, though Rosen needed to be more precise, missing low on a fourth-and-goal pass to Isaiah Ford and nearly throwing a pick-six to Bucs corner Jamel Dean, who let a sure interception fall through his fingertips. It’s way too early to give up on Rosen, but he didn’t show us much Friday night. Maybe he’ll fare better when the Fins host Jacksonville in Thursday’s regular-season dress rehearsal.

Aug 16, 2019, 11:15 PM ET

 

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Josh Rosen completed 7-of-18 passes for 97 yards and an interception Sunday in the Dolphins’ Week 2 loss to New England.

Rosen absorbed three sacks for a loss of 21 yards during his extended fourth-quarter cameo. He came off the bench in relief of Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was charged with three interceptions including a pair of pick-sixes. Rosen spent the bulk of his outing throwing errant deep bombs while fighting for his life behind Miami's non-existent offensive line. He was intercepted on his final throw of the afternoon, lobbing a duck to Jamie Collins while facing heavy pressure. Rosen hasn't lived up to his first-round billing yet, but he's been put in awful situations, both last year in Arizona and now this season with Miami. Rosen should probably be starting at this point, though it's hard to imagine him faring much better than Fitzpatrick with a weak supporting cast and a patchwork line in front of him. The Dolphins have been outscored by an embarrassing 102-10 margin in the early going.

Sep 15, 2019, 7:29 PM ET

 

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Miami needs to trade this guy.  I liked his talent coming out, but I'm not sure how much longer I can hold at this point in Dynasty. 

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Incredibly he’s going to be in exact same situation next year. Miami will draft Tua and ship him off. 

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2 hours ago, Tool said:

Incredibly he’s going to be in exact same situation next year. Miami will draft Tua and ship him off. 

They may hold him as a backup, maybe even let him start the first few weeks on what will again be a disgustingly bad offense.  He is still very inexpensive and could become a commodity if he flashes.  

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2 hours ago, Tool said:

Incredibly he’s going to be in exact same situation next year. Miami will draft Tua and ship him off. 

He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere. 

He threw 2 perfectly thrown bombs yesterday down the field and they were flat DROPPED! Get him some receivers before I say he can't play. 

He has no OL, no skill position players at Receiver to speak of, no defense to set him up on a short field once in a while, the kid has no chance to showcase much in 2019 and yet he is showing some flashes. 

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7 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere. 

He threw 2 perfectly thrown bombs yesterday down the field and they were flat DROPPED! Get him some receivers before I say he can't play. 

He has no OL, no skill position players at Receiver to speak of, no defense to set him up on a short field once in a while, the kid has no chance to showcase much in 2019 and yet he is showing some flashes. 

I'm seeing a great downfield arm but not enough pocket presence or ability to reading defenses to be elite. With a good run game and Oline, he might be good. He was a cheap backup for Murray, but they got rid of him, which says something.

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7 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

I'm seeing a great downfield arm but not enough pocket presence or ability to reading defenses to be elite. With a good run game and Oline, he might be good. He was a cheap backup for Murray, but they got rid of him, which says something.

And not an OL that could start on any of the 31 other NFL Teams, that's saying something as well. How can you have pocket presence in this offense? 

I know they're tanking for Tua but I don't think Rosen will go anywhere unless someone else trades for him. TT had 450/5TDs on a team that is traditionally known as a run 1st team, it's amazing and the opponent was average but wasn't the Citadel either. 

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3 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere. 

He threw 2 perfectly thrown bombs yesterday down the field and they were flat DROPPED! Get him some receivers before I say he can't play. 

He has no OL, no skill position players at Receiver to speak of, no defense to set him up on a short field once in a while, the kid has no chance to showcase much in 2019 and yet he is showing some flashes. 

I don’t disagree that he has potential. His career is getting torpedoed though. 

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33 minutes ago, Tool said:

I don’t disagree that he has potential. His career is getting torpedoed though. 

Maybe it's not everyone around him. Maybe he just isn't very good.

A lot of teams had a chance at him last year, and the only taker was Miami who gave up a late second round pick. Sounds like most of the NFL doesn't think too much of him. Maybe they are right.

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54 minutes ago, kutta said:

Maybe it's not everyone around him. Maybe he just isn't very good.

A lot of teams had a chance at him last year, and the only taker was Miami who gave up a late second round pick. Sounds like most of the NFL doesn't think too much of him. Maybe they are right.

Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qb

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2 minutes ago, Tool said:

Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qb

Wait, what? If they were looking after the draft, how did he go for a second round pick?

Am I missing what you're saying?

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3 minutes ago, Tool said:

Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qb

Actually Miami got him In-Draft and AZ was serious about finding him a place to go prior to the draft, they didn't want to groom two young QBs and hope one would stick. 

I understand that Rosen probably did not do everything he could in order to succeed in AZ, but I'm watching him throw and his arm is pretty good. I'd like to see him have a professional OL to work behind, not sure he has seen that to work behind. I'd like to see him leading a team not trying to TANK openly and throw football games. NFL isn't going to allow this to happen for long. 

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Actually Miami got him In-Draft and AZ was serious about finding him a place to go prior to the draft, they didn't want to groom two young QBs and hope one would stick. 

I understand that Rosen probably did not do everything he could in order to succeed in AZ, but I'm watching him throw and his arm is pretty good. I'd like to see him have a professional OL to work behind, not sure he has seen that to work behind. I'd like to see him leading a team not trying to TANK openly and throw football games. NFL isn't going to allow this to happen for long. 

There was an article - I think in SI- about how badly Arizona botched the trade process.

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57 minutes ago, Tool said:

There was an article - I think in SI- about how badly Arizona botched the trade process.

They very well may have. But they traded him during the draft, not after. No matter how badly they botched it.

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21 minutes ago, kutta said:

They very well may have. But they traded him during the draft, not after. No matter how badly they botched it.

Right I misspoke. It was after day one so after draft was underway and first round was over.

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2 minutes ago, Tool said:

Right I misspoke. It was after day one so after draft was underway and first round was over.

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.

I'm not sure what article you are referring to, but it's wrong if they are saying the Cards weren't trying to deal him until day 2.

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5 minutes ago, kutta said:

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.

I'm not sure what article you are referring to, but it's wrong if they are saying the Cards weren't trying to deal him until day 2.

Let's move the discussion and shift the focus for just a minute...Arizona went for a QB with a 1st round pick 2 years in a row, that has to set back other key positions that allow a QB to function and look good, yes/no? I was impressed with Murray being able to lead his team from behind 2 weeks in a row, they've covered the spreads and Ravens were heavy favorites. But what I'm getting at is what damage to the franchise is done by going QB twice? 

If you draft 1st Round twice same position it doesn't say great things about upper management and the Cards GM has been highly criticized for some of his moves. I'm not anti-Murray although I have to be honest I'm not a real believer just yet. 

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38 minutes ago, kutta said:

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.

I'm not sure what article you are referring to, but it's wrong if they are saying the Cards weren't trying to deal him until day 2.

That's not wrong, the trade occurred after the first round was over. That's a fact. I never said they weren't trying to deal him until day 2, just that they botched it.  Here's the article:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/arizona-cardinals-josh-rosen-no-draft-night-trade-first-round

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Either play Rosen or ship him out.  The Fins are a mess.  An absolute train wreck. 

Why trade a 2nd for a guy that you're not going to start in a rebuilding year?  Then the talk of keeping him as a backup because he is cheap?  Draft Tua or whoever and get a seasoned #2 QB.  That's a much better way to develop a young QB. The dolphins have the third most CAP space available right now.  They don't need to worry about saving money on a backup QB.

Put Tua behind that OL and see what happens.  It is going to be shades of expansion Texans with David Carr.

They went too extreme with the tank job and aren't even trying to be competitive.  Good luck

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17 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Let's move the discussion and shift the focus for just a minute...Arizona went for a QB with a 1st round pick 2 years in a row, that has to set back other key positions that allow a QB to function and look good, yes/no? I was impressed with Murray being able to lead his team from behind 2 weeks in a row, they've covered the spreads and Ravens were heavy favorites. But what I'm getting at is what damage to the franchise is done by going QB twice? 

If you draft 1st Round twice same position it doesn't say great things about upper management and the Cards GM has been highly criticized for some of his moves. I'm not anti-Murray although I have to be honest I'm not a real believer just yet. 

I agree 100 percent. Drafting Rosen was a huge mistake.

I like that they corrected it and took a risk on Murray. It’s a hard thing to do - admit a mistake and move on from it. So yes, drafting a QB in back to back years is a big mistake. But the mistake was Rosen, not Murray.

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14 hours ago, Tool said:

That's not wrong, the trade occurred after the first round was over. That's a fact. I never said they weren't trying to deal him until day 2, just that they botched it.  Here's the article:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/arizona-cardinals-josh-rosen-no-draft-night-trade-first-round

OK. Got it. I agree they botched it.

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JOSH ROSEN QB, MIAMI DOLPHINS

The Miami Herald reports Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen shared first-team snaps in Thursday's practice.

Barry Jackson's report is via a Dolphins player. Coach Brian Flores has said Fitzpatrick is the starter "right now." It will likely be Fitz who takes the first snap against the Cowboys, but it would be thoroughly unsurprising were Rosen to get run for the second-straight week. Fitz is all the way off the DFS radar.

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SOURCE: Barry Jackson on Twitter

Sep 19, 2019, 2:43 PM ET

 

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I almost dropped him in dynasty this week. I'm not expecting much this week, but I need to see at least a flash of talent to hold him. 

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I’m not buying Miami taking a QB high 100%. They are a dumpster fire and need to rebuild the whole roster, if Rosen shows anything, they can rebuild other positions and give him a 1-3 year shot. If not, they can get a QB high in ‘21/22 rather than throw one to the wolves in ‘20.

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2 hours ago, dipandglide said:

I’m not buying Miami taking a QB high 100%. They are a dumpster fire and need to rebuild the whole roster, if Rosen shows anything, they can rebuild other positions and give him a 1-3 year shot. If not, they can get a QB high in ‘21/22 rather than throw one to the wolves in ‘20.

If you follow the team closely, if you read Armondo Salguero who covers the team...Tank for Tua has been an open game plan for months. 

But i don't disagree that a QB can't succeed on this team right now. 

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1 hour ago, Manster said:

'Boys D lickin their chops

When he's in, this guy leads the league in aDOT by about ten yards or so at sixteen yards, four more than his nearest competitor, you guessed it, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Mad Bombers of Ineptitude Unite! 

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38 minutes ago, rockaction said:

When he's in, this guy leads the league in aDOT by about ten yards or so at sixteen yards, four more than his nearest competitor, you guessed it, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Mad Bombers of Ineptitude Unite! 

Interesting. Small sample size for Rosen. Fitzpatrick is one of the best at avoiding sacks (only 72 in his last 49 starts before Miami) while Rosen must be among the worst. When Rosen has time, he could be money. But I expect a lot of 3 and outs. Maybe he connects with the unicorn late after the point spread is safe.

 

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9 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

Interesting. Small sample size for Rosen. Fitzpatrick is one of the best at avoiding sacks (only 72 in his last 49 starts before Miami) while Rosen must be among the worst. When Rosen has time, he could be money. But I expect a lot of 3 and outs. Maybe he connects with the unicorn late after the point spread is safe.

 

Yeah, my comment was actually fairly neutral one way or the other about him being good; he seems to like or want to throw deep in that small sample size where he's not the starter (which could indeed affect a ton of things).

As far as throwing to The Unicorn, I'd be happy with that.

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

Anyone watch him today?  Thoughts?

He throws a nice ball. He had several nice throws dropped last week and more this week. You need players to hold up their end of things if you want to succeed. 

I hope he gets a fair shake if Miami ends up taking a QB high in ‘20. I would love it if my Broncos signed him.

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Josh Rosen completed 17-of-24 passes for 180 yards with a touchdown and an interception in Week 4 against the Chargers.

He also took four sacks. Rosen threw a 34-yard touchdown to a wide open DeVante Parker and looked sharp in the first half, but he collapsed under pressure in the second half. The was a slight improvement from last week, but Rosen has now thrown for under 200 yards in both of his starts. The Dolphins will get Rosen ready for a matchup with the Redskins when they come out of their Week 5 bye.

Sep 29, 2019, 4:26 PM ET

 

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