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UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen will forego his final season of eligibility to enter the 2018 NFL Draft.

Rosen (6'4/210) is arguably the top quarterback prospect in the draft class. He has an elite, NFL-ready arm and will very much be in conversation as a potential top-five pick. There have been questions surrounding his demeanor and character -- he's one of the most outspoken players in college -- and those questions will linger as he begins to talk with interested NFL teams, but Rosen's pure talent is going to trump those concerns for most NFL teams. Two storylines to watch this spring: Rosen reportedly does not want the Browns to select him. Cleveland holds the first and fourth picks in the draft. Beyond that potential drama, medical checks will also be important. The gunslinger missed a good chunk of the 2016 season with a shoulder injury and was nicked up here and there throughout the 2017 season.

Source: Josh Rosen on Twitter 

Jan 3 - 7:13 PM

 

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An NFC offensive coach told ESPN that UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen is "just so natural in everything he does on the field."

"You watch him in the pocket and it's like he was born to do it. The way he sees the field, the way he operates the offense, just total command," the coach said, adding that if he had Rosen's pure talent, he would probably act a little cocky, too. The UCLA gunslinger will make his draft decision at some point following the Cactus Bowl (versus Kansas State) on Tuesday. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on Sunday that Rosen is "hesitant" to declare if the Browns -- who secured the No. 1 overall selection with their most recent loss, to the Bears -- are targeting him.

Source: ESPN.com

Mon, Dec 25, 2017 02:37:00 PM

 

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UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen is viewed by NFL evaluators as the likeliest from the 2018 class to start from day one.

A group of seven evaluators gushed to Charles Robinson over Rosen's ability to "spin the ball" and his throwing motion. That group also listed Rosen as the top quarterback prospect in the class. We will continue to hear about possible signs of immaturity with Rosen, but things are swinging in his direction as the top prospect at his position.

Source: Yahoo

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 11:26:00 AM

 

 

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Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline compares some of the talk of alleged personality issues with UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen to what was said of former Michigan State QB Connor Cook.

Per Pauline, at least two NFL GM's have flat-out decided that Rosen will be a stay-away for draft purposes due to his demeanor. Writes the analyst, "Opinions are that Rosen is not the leader they need on the field for the next level -- the things he’s gotten away with on the college field won’t fly in the NFL." Pauline adds that "[t]he word egotistical was mentioned many times in referring to Rosen." We're almost surely going to continue to hear reports along these lines as the draft process picks up speed, but Rosen is also supremely talented -- one evaluator told Pauline that many of his throws are "off the charts" special -- and could well end up the No. 1 quarterback selected in the spring, even with questions of character and demeanor floating about.

Source: Draft Analyst

Wed, Nov 22, 2017 07:49:00 PM

 

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When asked about UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen, a veteran NFL executive told Yahoo Sports' Pete Thamel, "I don't know enough about his personality."

"Can he be the leader and face of a franchise? It doesn’t appear he handles that well at UCLA," the executive said. This is a common enough nitpick of Rosen and one that we don't necessarily buy. Rosen's played through shoddy coaching while attempting to carry an incomplete team. His college career will end as something of a disappointment -- injuries played a huge part in that -- but he's shown plenty of NFL upside when right and his minor gaffes, say the installation of a hot tub when he was a freshman in college, shouldn't trump that.

Source: Yahoo Sports

Fri, Nov 10, 2017 09:39:00 PM

 

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Sporting News' Kristian Dyer spoke to an NFL General Manager who said of UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen: "I'm not sure a lot of teams are going to be crazy about him after this year."

"He hasn't handled the spotlight well," the GM said. "You want maturity from a quarterback. I still think Andrew Luck was that prototypical guy a few years back, Deshaun Watson this past draft. They were poised and polished. (Rosen's) comments on school were worrisome. If he thinks he has to study now in college, in the NFL that workload is triple." Rosen has thrown for 2,620 yards with a 19/8 TD/INT rate through seven games. Despite questions about his maturity, we still think he has a decent chance of becoming the first quarterback taken this spring.

Source: Sporting News

 

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Pro Football Focus' Steve Palazzolo compares UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen to former FSU QB Jameis Winston.

"From the early high expectations to a risk/reward playing style to the pure numbers that put both players in similar light," Palazzolo writes, "Rosen and Winston have a lot in common." In terms of the raw numbers, the analyst ticks off several marks that are remarkably similar from Winston's final collegiate season in 2014 and Rosen's work during the current campaign, including adjusted completion percentage (72.6% for Winston, 71.6% for Rosen), passer rating under pressure (69.5 for Rosen, 66.6 for Winston) and adjusted completion percentage on passes of 20-plus yards (39.4% for Rosen, 39.3% for Winston). Winston spun all this fine work into the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, something that Rosen is very much in play for come the spring.

Source: ESPN Insider

Wed, Sep 20, 2017 08:44:00 PM

 

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8 hours ago, Faust said:

If he thinks he has to study now in college, in the NFL that workload is triple."

Geez. His point wasn't "studying is hard". His point was "being required to study for academic courses just to keep up the charade of 'student athlete' is ridiculous". 

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57 minutes ago, RUSF18 said:

Geez. His point wasn't "studying is hard". His point was "being required to study for academic courses just to keep up the charade of 'student athlete' is ridiculous". 

I wonder if it’s a charade to the 99% of student athletes that don’t go pro?

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2 hours ago, petekrum said:

I wonder if it’s a charade to the 99% of student athletes that don’t go pro?

If you're including all student athletes, of course not.

But ask the same question to football and men's basketball "student athletes". 

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2 minutes ago, RUSF18 said:

If you're including all student athletes, of course not.

But ask the same question to football and men's basketball "student athletes". 

With about 125 programs each awarding 60+ scholarships, FBS football teams incorporate well over 7500 players.  The NFL draft selects 32x7 of them, plus supplemental picks and UDFAs, for a total of maybe 250.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that, even for a large majority of FBS football players, the education they are getting while playing football would be valuable enough for them not to consider it a "charade."

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40 minutes ago, RUSF18 said:

If you're including all student athletes, of course not.

But ask the same question to football and men's basketball "student athletes". 

And for the 99% of them that don't go pro?

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1 hour ago, Arodin said:

With about 125 programs each awarding 60+ scholarships, FBS football teams incorporate well over 7500 players.  The NFL draft selects 32x7 of them, plus supplemental picks and UDFAs, for a total of maybe 250.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that, even for a large majority of FBS football players, the education they are getting while playing football would be valuable enough for them not to consider it a "charade."

I'm not saying they should. Anyone not taking advantage of a free education is an idiot. 

But that has nothing to do with what Rosen said. If you want to go work in finance, you better have a finance degree. If you want to be an engineer, you get an engineering degree. But if you want to be a football player, you have to take a bunch of classes that you may or may not have any interest in or put to any use. Of course it's on the kid for failing to make the most of an education if he ends up not making it as a football player (or even if he does). But that doesn't mean they should be required to attend classes just up until the point they stop playing. 

The requirement exists to protect the non-profit status of athletic departments pulling in tens of millions in revenue. That's it. 

edit: And FTR, none of this has anything to do with the incorrect quote by the scout. Rosen never had an issue with working hard in college. 

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Reporting from the Reese's Senior Bowl, Walter Football's Charlie Campbell reports that there are still intangible concerns with UCLA QB Josh Rosen.

Campbell says he's spoken with two general managers who have concerns about Rosen's intangibles. "They feel because of his silver spoon upbringing, he doesn't relate well to all segments of an NFL locker room, and they think the desired leadership traits could be lacking with Rosen. Former teammates of Rosen who are in the NFL have been asked by teams about him, and they say he is atypical and a different kind of guy." Campbell also mentions some other issues that you can read about in his comments involving off-the-field "antics," for lack of a better term. Rosen is considered by many to be the most NFL-ready of the first-round quarterback types, but the interview portion will play a big part of where/when he's drafted come April.

Source: Walter Football 

Jan 22 - 5:22 PM

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On 1/3/2018 at 9:43 PM, Faust said:
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Pro Football Focus' Steve Palazzolo compares UCLA junior QB Josh Rosen to former FSU QB Jameis Winston.

"From the early high expectations to a risk/reward playing style to the pure numbers that put both players in similar light," Palazzolo writes, "Rosen and Winston have a lot in common." In terms of the raw numbers, the analyst ticks off several marks that are remarkably similar from Winston's final collegiate season in 2014 and Rosen's work during the current campaign, including adjusted completion percentage (72.6% for Winston, 71.6% for Rosen), passer rating under pressure (69.5 for Rosen, 66.6 for Winston) and adjusted completion percentage on passes of 20-plus yards (39.4% for Rosen, 39.3% for Winston). Winston spun all this fine work into the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, something that Rosen is very much in play for come the spring.

Source: ESPN Insider

Wed, Sep 20, 2017 08:44:00 PM

This is a weird comparison to make. Winston's 2013 season was statistically way better than his 2014 season, and his 2013 season played a bigger role in earning him the #1 pick. So Rosen's peak season was similar to Winston's down year, and nowhere close to Winston's peak season. It's like comparing a QB to Russell Wilson's NC State production, or touting a WR because his peak production was similar to what Alshon Jeffery or JuJu Smith-Schuster did in their final season.

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Bleacher Report's Matt Miller passes along that according to "multiple scouts and executives," UCLA QB Josh Rosen is expected to be a toxic interview during the evaluating season.

"Scouts might like Rosen, but coaches won't because he's stubborn and cocky and he thinks he's smarter than them," one scout told Miller. This is a knock on the talented UCLA signal-caller that has surfaced on a number of occasions. Bruins C Dan Quessenberry -- himself an NFLer-to-be -- vehemently refuted reports of Rosen as being disliked in the locker room earlier this week, going so far as to call him a "great human being." As to his coachability, we would like to add one note -- Rosen was not put in the best situation to learn at UCLA. He was given three offensive coordinators in three seasons and played under a head coach in Jim Mora who was fired in November. These should be major considerations in this debate. That's not to say that Rosen is necessarily a peach to coach, but we have no idea how he might take to a committed, professional coaching staff. Such a benefit simply did not exist with the Bruins.

Source: Bleacher Report 

Jan 26 - 2:37 PM

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Matt Waldman of the Rookie Scouting Portfolio highlighted intermediate and vertical accuracy as the best parts of UCLA QB Josh Rosen's game.

Conversely, Rosen's inclination to "throw across the grain and forcing the ball into well-covered areas in the red zone" is his biggest drawback, per Waldman. So many lines and minute of conversation will be spent analyzing Rosen's personality. Not to say that is wrong, but so much of that information will be second hand. Instead, focusing on what Rosen can do on the field, and where he needs to improve, are paramount.

Source: Matt Waldman RSP 

Feb 13 - 9:41 AM

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NFL.com Analyst Derek Carr lists Josh Rosen as the fourth-best QB worth pursuing in free agency or the NFL Draft.

Rosen ranks as the top draft option for Carr, as the top three are Drew Brees, Kirk Cousins and Case Keenum. "He's the most pro-ready quarterback in this draft class, and I believe Rosen could win a starting job in a lot of places due to his football IQ and physical ability," Carr writes. He also compares him to Eli Manning in terms of football acumen; and notes that he believes that what some people believe is arrogance is actually boredom. "Some evaluators will see this trait as arrogant, but the teams that aren't intimidated by his intellect will challenge him," says Carr. "Give Rosen a playbook and a few months, and he'll bring it to life."

Source: NFL.com

Feb 19 - 1:51 PM

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If I was a NFL team I would be more worried about his concussion history than his attitude 

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Jon Ledyard‏ @LedyardNFLDraft 20h20 hours ago

The manufactured slander of Josh Rosen's character and leadership has got to stop, and his UCLA teammates are at the Combine to put an end to the nonsense once and for all:

https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/

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SI's Bruce Feldman spoke to one NFL QB coach who said UCLA QB Josh Rosen was the "sharpest" of all prospects he met with at the position.

"He was very impressive. He knows football inside and out," the position coach told Feldman. Every team will have a different feel for this quarterback room as personalities and styles mesh and others conflict. More information like this will continue to come out following the Combine.

Source: Bruce Feldman on Twitter

 

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The MMQB's Peter King cites NFL sources stating UCLA QB Josh Rosen "helped his cause" at the 2018 NFL Combine bost as a thrower and in interviews.

It did come with this conditional statement from one coach. "Will his teammates gravitate to him? And he’s not a very big kid—can he be good enough in the pocket and avoid sacks?" At 226 pounds, Rosen is heavier than Sam Darnold among others. The potential issue is Rosen is far less mobile, so taking full hits in the pocket is a potential flaw. We know Rosen has a history of head and shoulder issues. Still, it is great to see Rosen (mostly) break away from the narrative that he is a difficult personality. We loved hearing his answers in media sessions.

Source: SI.com

Mar 5 - 8:53 AM

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Rotoworld's Josh Norris writes that UCLA QB Josh Rosen "sees the field better than any other quarterback in this class."

"Play after play a coach knows what he is getting from a footwork, mechanics and technique standpoint (with Rosen)," Norris notes. He adds that the UCLA signal-caller is an "ideal pocket passer in terms of working inside of structure with timing to locate the correct read and deliver the ball." The Jets are reportedly very keen on Rosen and recently traded up to the No. 3 pick. That feels like a very realistic potential draft marriage for next month.

Source: Rotoworld

Mar 24 - 2:36 PM

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He had two concussions in 2017 right?

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