JohnnyU
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Well, I guess there is a reason why Walter Cronkite was labeled the most trusted man in America.
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Partisan Journalism, good or bad for America? (1 Viewer)
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The Commish
Footballguy
You could, but you'd be wrong. It's not complicated. You can go to any news outlet outside this country and get straight up information. There is no real need to watch any of our "news media". They aren't in it for information. If they were, they'd have exposed Donny Two Scoops during the primaries and we wouldn't be in this situation.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
And you are focusing, literally on three television cable stations. There are newspapers, magazines, foreign television, investigative reporting shows, trillions of websites and on and on.
Yes, getting information is hard these days, but that is our fault, not the other side of the political spectrum's fault. We the people want more and more entertainment, faster, brighter, louder, more colorful, more outrageous and all of it within neat little 5 minute segments at most because if there is anything longer we lose interest and go on to the next louder, faster, more colorful thing. At this moment I have my phone on twitter, this computer, one tv on the Yankee game and one on the football game. We want to consume without the repercussion of thought, to see without visualizing context, to hear without listening, and think that when we talk we enjoy the power of wisdom when all we have is nonsensical information that we've never taken the time to understand.
CSPAN shows actual fact. Actual on the floor fact news of what is happening in Congress, the debate, the vote, the bill. A rerun of the 3rd season of Big Bang on TBS will get literally 50 times the rating point, and then we opine the fact that Congress doesn't speak for us anymore.
HellToupee
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Epic Problem
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I don't disagree that was the opinion, and the news of that time on television was much more reporting based than entertainment based. But Cronkite wasn't an opinion anchor like Hannity is. What has changes is the increase in opinion shows that mimic news shows with their breaking news banners that confuse the consumer that isn't paying attention to the details or doesn't care to.
And Cronkite was very opinionated and he let it show when he wanted to.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Here's an example of a Rachel Maddow segment that is filled with facts and history where you actually learn something, but obviously the story leads to a present day story that has something to do with Trump. It's fact-based journalism with a narrative. I doubt you'll watch the whole thing, but there is some middle ground on the opinion shows. This was about how we let the Russians use their own contractors to build our embassy in 1979/80 only to find out it was completely rigged with bugs when finished. The present day story is about how offered a no bid contract to a Russian firm tied to the KGB. It's actually a pretty interesting story regardless of your political leaning.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/former-kgb-putin-friend-hired-for-us-moscow-embassy-security-1096641603905?v=railb&
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm not disputing you but I find it hard to believe anyone would question his integrity. If you have other opinions then please link it. Everyone in America loved Walter Cronkite and to lesson his integrity is an attack on America.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
jomar
Footballguy
didn't everyone in America love Bob Woodward at one point? if Cronkite was alive and said something critical of Trump, he'd be a partisan Dem just like the rest of them. make no mistake
lakerstan
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Having an opinion does not lessen your integrity. You're conflating words that don't mean the same thing.
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
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jomar
Footballguy
what are you talking about? Mueller was a trusted Republican, highly respected by both sides of the aisle. no one questioned his integrity. until he started investigating Trump. same thing with Rosenstein. look at what some people think of them now. Cronkite's only saving grace was that he died before we elected a moron.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I see the left using the phrse bromigos a lot. What does that mean? It doesn't matter for this thread however.The Bank of England considers the BBC left wing.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not going there as it doesn't apply to this thread. I could easily debate this in another thread.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've not been banned, why would you say that? Is this where we are? I started what I thought was a good thread, yet some of you are unbelievable.
jomar
Footballguy
is Bob Woodward a partisan journalist? he seemed like a journalist all Americans would've trusted a couple weeks ago. a modern day Cronkite, if you will.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Wat. Trump is a disaster. Its minority rule, of which you apparently are in and ok with...until you see differently, you're not gonna like the "bad journalism" your prez gets.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
dawgtrails
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I guess this thread was a misguided hope. The left and right are so engrossed in their hate of one another that we cannot recover. I was hoping that we could find some common ground. I'm out of the thread I started. I guess this experiment is complete.
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Epic Problem
Footballguy
Awfully admirable of you to give up 2 hours of your life to try and save this once great country. Thank you for your service.
Good effort. I'll add:
Do you remember when Obama colluded with a foreign government to steal an election, started numerous trade wars, sought the praise of foreign dictators, villified the free press, and inspired op Ed's from senior officials in his own administration ? Me neither.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why is that? I think we really want to know your opinion on this subject.
Oh wait, I thought I was finished. Sorry about that.
OK, now I'm done I promise
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Don't worry, Bucky thinks anyone who doesn't bash Trump is trolling. It is his shtick.
CNN is biased left and bashes Trump 24/7 but for the most part use the material that Trump provides them with his tweets filled with lies, mis statements ,tweets or statements that show he truly is dumber than a fifth grader and derogatory remarks bashing someone. Fox opinion prime time is based on silly deep state conspiracy theories most of them old and based on things Hillary or Strzok did 1-5 years ago.
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Radio Free Homer
Footballguy
I'd like to know why Johnny think Bob Woodward is losing credibility.
The Commish
Footballguy
Talking about it not being necessary to watch our "news media" in this country. Literally thousands of other places to get the information that are more informative and accurate. Anyone choosing to make them their primary source of news (or any source for that matter) is doing it wrong. Not complicated.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Reporting on and discussing the actual words and actions of the President of the United States is not "bashing." It's "reporting."
I'm not a fan of any of the cable news networks, but any reasonable observer can differentiate between the cheesy, counterproductive "politics as sports" coverage provided by CNN and MSNBC and the far more dangerous programming on Fox News.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
You literally gave away your bias in the thread title. Not everyone agrees that the news coverage on CNN and MSNBC is "partisan jounalism." I think this idea is a relatively recent development borne out of the steep decline of Fox News; once their coverage moved from right-leaning editorially but still professional to certifiably bonkers during the Obama administration, the only reasonable defense was to point fingers elsewhere and falsely argue "they do it too!" And then of course this was turned up to 11 by Trump's disgraceful attacks over the last few years.
If you want to have a real discussion about this issue, you have to start by discussing whether and to what extent the cable news networks are partisan in the first place. You can't make an assumption that many people disagree with, or at least consider a false equivalence, and go from there.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Fox news ranks near the top and CNN doesn't, but that's another topic. Your statement "Not everyone agrees that the news coverage on CNN and MSNBC is partisan journalist". That's the problem right there. CNN'ers are so indoctrinated to their reporting they don't even see it. I can see when they report something stupid Trump says and I don't have a problem with that. What you're not seeing (maybe you are) they don't even report the good things Trump does. Why is that? It's because they have an agenda of destroying Trump. It doesn't get more biased than that. As for Fox, I admit they are right biased. My point is I wish journalism hadn't gone down this deep bias reporting. At least I see it.
jomar
Footballguy
I don't need a Free Press to tell me how great someone is doing. Their job is to uncover corruption with our government and hold leaders accountable
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree it's gone the way of opinion reporting and that is sad. There is a place for that and it's the editorial section.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You claim you want to have a productive non-partisan discussion, but your opening position is that your perspective is the correct and accurate one, while mine is biased and invalid, and my refusal to see things your way is the entire problem. Does that sounds like a productive start to a non-partisan discussion to you?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I guess we can disagree on that for sure. The job of news reporting is to inform the public and that includes the good stuff as well as the bad stuff.
timschochet
Footballguy
I both agree and disagree with the OP.
I agree that the partisan divide, related to media, is bad for America. And notwithstanding Yankee’s point that we have had this forever, I would argue that it’s worse than its ever been because each side has their own facts. It’s one thing to argue over a given set of principles or issues; it’s quite another to live in a different reality. Yesterday I turned on some right wing talk radio (I know, Gr00vus, I’m a masochist) and I felt like I was temporarily on another planet. On that planet, a wise and extremely able President Trump is surrounded by treacherous enemies who are unable to prevent him from being effective, though they try. On that planet Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, and Hillary Clinton are all clearly guilty of horrendous felonies and will soon be arrested and charged. This was not Q; it was mainstream right wing talk radio. To be specific, the Rush Limbaugh show (with a guest host.)
And that leads to my disagreement with the OP. JohnnyU, like so many other conservatives who have complained about this issue, begin with the premise that both sides are equally complicit. They aren’t. Putting aside the question of whether or not CNN and MSNBC are as liberal as Fox is conservative, there is no progressive alternative for right wing talk radio, and it is right wing talk radio that more than any other factor is driving the divide in our country.
I agree that the partisan divide, related to media, is bad for America. And notwithstanding Yankee’s point that we have had this forever, I would argue that it’s worse than its ever been because each side has their own facts. It’s one thing to argue over a given set of principles or issues; it’s quite another to live in a different reality. Yesterday I turned on some right wing talk radio (I know, Gr00vus, I’m a masochist) and I felt like I was temporarily on another planet. On that planet, a wise and extremely able President Trump is surrounded by treacherous enemies who are unable to prevent him from being effective, though they try. On that planet Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, and Hillary Clinton are all clearly guilty of horrendous felonies and will soon be arrested and charged. This was not Q; it was mainstream right wing talk radio. To be specific, the Rush Limbaugh show (with a guest host.)
And that leads to my disagreement with the OP. JohnnyU, like so many other conservatives who have complained about this issue, begin with the premise that both sides are equally complicit. They aren’t. Putting aside the question of whether or not CNN and MSNBC are as liberal as Fox is conservative, there is no progressive alternative for right wing talk radio, and it is right wing talk radio that more than any other factor is driving the divide in our country.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
During what you describe as the non-partisan bygone age of journalism, didn't they also have to pick and choose what news to report? Maybe it's not that the mainstream news has changed but that you have.
