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59 minutes ago, Max Power said:

:lmao:  They aren't even trying anymore. 

It's really hard to believe that this level of incompetence can exist.

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2 minutes ago, Sand said:

It's really hard to believe that this level of incompetence can exist.

You need to get out more GB. ;)

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9 minutes ago, Sand said:

It's really hard to believe that this level of incompetence can exist.

Don’t know a lot of prison guards?

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Don’t know a lot of prison guards?

Do you like movies about gladiators?

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

The video from outside Jeffrey Epstein's cell during his first suicide attempt has been deleted

 

This is Bill Barr’s DOJ. The same DOJ that had previous notice from internal reporting of problems with inmate suicides in the federal system, including specifically at the one where Epstein died.

Please remind me is there a permanent confirmed director of bureau of prisons in place? We’re like on our third with this administration, right?

Seriously Barr needs to be put on the rack for this in committee hearing. 

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

But the jail, they said, accidentally preserved video footage from the wrong part of the building

That’s not a :censored: accident.

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30 minutes ago, IC FBGCav said:

Nothing is ever permanently deleted without destroying the device it was on.

While trying to hang an employee of the month plaque, prison maintenance workers accidentally smashed the prison video recording system hard drives with a hammer

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Lawsuit Claims Epstein Trafficked Girls in Caribbean Until 2018

The attorney general of the Virgin Islands says Mr. Epstein and his associates used a database to track victims as young as 11 years old.

***USVI AG has filed suit against the Epstein estate claiming human trafficking on a large scale.

New evidence shows Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused and trafficked hundreds of young women and girls on his private Caribbean island, some as recently as 2018, significantly expanding the scope of his alleged conduct, a top law enforcement official said in a lawsuit filed on Wednesday.

Mr. Epstein, a wealthy financier who died by suicide in a Manhattan jail last year, was bringing girls as young as 11 and 12 to his secluded estate in the Virgin Islands, known as Little Saint James, and kept a computerized database to track the availability and movements of women and girls, the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit, which was filed by Denise N. George, the attorney general of the Virgin Islands, broadened the dimensions of the wrongdoing in which Mr. Epstein was said to have engaged. He had been charged by Manhattan prosecutors in July with sexually exploiting dozens of women and girls in New York and Florida, but they did not point to any actions beyond 2005.

In August, Mr. Epstein hanged himself at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, where he was being held awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. Prison guards had not checked on him for hours on the night he died, and the circumstances surrounding his death are now the subject of at least three federal investigations.

In the weeks before Mr. Epstein killed himself, he and his lawyers vigorously denied the criminal charges. His lawyers had previously said he had been law-abiding since his 2008 conviction in Florida for solicitation.

The suit was filed against Mr. Epstein’s estate and seeks the forfeiture of Little Saint James and Mr. Epstein’s second private island, Great Saint James, as well as the dissolution of numerous shell companies he established in the territory that officials have said acted as fronts for his sex trafficking enterprise.

As part of its policies, the government of the Virgin Islands could take any assets recovered from Mr. Epstein’s estate and consider disbursing them to women and girls who were victimized by him in the region, Ms. George said.

The new accusations — which draw both from independent investigations by Ms. George’s office and court documents from cases across the country — argue that Mr. Epstein ran a decades-long sex trafficking scheme that had a primary nexus in the Virgin Islands.

“Epstein clearly used the Virgin Islands and his residence in the U.S. Virgin Islands at Little Saint James as a way to be able to conceal and to be able to expand his activity here,” Ms. George said.

The suit underscores the legal complications of reckoning with such wide-reaching crimes as those Mr. Epstein is said to have committed. Ms. George’s suit is the first filed against the estate by a government entity, but it joins a field of similar claims filed by more than a dozen women.

It remains unclear how Mr. Epstein’s assets, which are valued at about $500 million, could be allocated.

“We don’t have a long history of figuring out what to do in cases of human trafficking,” said Bridgette Carr, the director of the Human Trafficking Clinic at the University of Michigan Law School, who consulted with Ms. George’s team on the case. “I think this litigation and the courts are just trying to come up with the best, imperfect solution.”

Mr. Epstein’s executor, Darren K. Indyke, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Ms. George said she believed the case could chip away at the region’s reputation as a notorious haven for the rich and powerful.

“We will not remain complacent, and we will enforce our laws whatever way we can,” Ms. George said. “It doesn’t matter the social status of the person. It’s that the laws apply equally.”

The court documents said that Mr. Epstein operated with impunity for years at Little Saint James and Great Saint James, which he obtained through a straw purchaser in 2016.

As recently as July 2018, Mr. Epstein refused to permit an investigator from the Virgin Island’s Department of Justice to enter Little Saint James, claiming the island’s dock was his “front door,” according to the lawsuit. The investigator was doing routine monitoring of Mr. Epstein because he was a registered sex offender.

Mr. Epstein’s victims included aspiring models from South America, according to court documents.

Mr. Epstein used a ring of associates to rotate the women and girls in and out of sexual servitude, using fraudulent modeling visas to transport them across state lines and international borders, the lawsuit said. He tracked their availability and proximity using the database, court documents said.

Prosecutors in New York have said their investigation has continued and anyone who helped Mr. Epstein could face criminal charges.

In one instance, according to the lawsuit, one young girl attempted to swim off Mr. Epstein’s island and escape after she was forced to engage in sex acts with one of his co-conspirators. The girl was found, and held hostage on Mr. Epstein’s island after he confiscated her passport.

In addition, the lawsuit said, Mr. Epstein embarked on several illegal construction projects at Great Saint James, which caused damage to native coral and wildlife.

The more than a dozen women who have filed lawsuits against Mr. Epstein’s estate in New York City since his death have accused him of exploiting and sexually abusing them when they were young women and girls, according to court documents. Many are seeking financial compensation.

The lawsuit in the Virgin Islands appears to be the first filed against the estate in that jurisdiction. Mr. Epstein maintained his legal permanent residence — and his estate — there. He hastily filed his will in a Virgin Islands court just days before he killed himself.

Ms. George’s lawsuit also seeks to head off an effort by Mr. Epstein’s executor, Mr. Indyke, to turn Mr. Epstein’s vast wealth into a victim’s compensatory fund. Mr. Indyke’s proposal, which is currently being litigated in a separate Virgin Islands case, imposes confidentiality on any claimants, Ms. George said.

“The estate continues to engage in a course of conduct aimed at concealing the criminal activities of the Epstein enterprise,” the lawsuit said.

In a statement when that fund was first announced, Mr. Indyke said it would give victims “the opportunity to obtain appropriate compensation and to be heard and treated with compassion, dignity and respect.”

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54 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Lawsuit Claims Epstein Trafficked Girls in Caribbean Until 2018

The attorney general of the Virgin Islands says Mr. Epstein and his associates used a database to track victims as young as 11 years old.

***USVI AG has filed suit against the Epstein estate claiming human trafficking on a large scale.

 

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New evidence shows Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused and trafficked hundreds of young women and girls on his private Caribbean island, some as recently as 2018, significantly expanding the scope of his alleged conduct, a top law enforcement official said in a lawsuit filed on Wednesday.

Mr. Epstein, a wealthy financier who died by suicide in a Manhattan jail last year, was bringing girls as young as 11 and 12 to his secluded estate in the Virgin Islands, known as Little Saint James, and kept a computerized database to track the availability and movements of women and girls, the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit, which was filed by Denise N. George, the attorney general of the Virgin Islands, broadened the dimensions of the wrongdoing in which Mr. Epstein was said to have engaged. He had been charged by Manhattan prosecutors in July with sexually exploiting dozens of women and girls in New York and Florida, but they did not point to any actions beyond 2005.

In August, Mr. Epstein hanged himself at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, where he was being held awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. Prison guards had not checked on him for hours on the night he died, and the circumstances surrounding his death are now the subject of at least three federal investigations.

In the weeks before Mr. Epstein killed himself, he and his lawyers vigorously denied the criminal charges. His lawyers had previously said he had been law-abiding since his 2008 conviction in Florida for solicitation.

The suit was filed against Mr. Epstein’s estate and seeks the forfeiture of Little Saint James and Mr. Epstein’s second private island, Great Saint James, as well as the dissolution of numerous shell companies he established in the territory that officials have said acted as fronts for his sex trafficking enterprise.

As part of its policies, the government of the Virgin Islands could take any assets recovered from Mr. Epstein’s estate and consider disbursing them to women and girls who were victimized by him in the region, Ms. George said.

The new accusations — which draw both from independent investigations by Ms. George’s office and court documents from cases across the country — argue that Mr. Epstein ran a decades-long sex trafficking scheme that had a primary nexus in the Virgin Islands.

“Epstein clearly used the Virgin Islands and his residence in the U.S. Virgin Islands at Little Saint James as a way to be able to conceal and to be able to expand his activity here,” Ms. George said.

The suit underscores the legal complications of reckoning with such wide-reaching crimes as those Mr. Epstein is said to have committed. Ms. George’s suit is the first filed against the estate by a government entity, but it joins a field of similar claims filed by more than a dozen women.

It remains unclear how Mr. Epstein’s assets, which are valued at about $500 million, could be allocated.

“We don’t have a long history of figuring out what to do in cases of human trafficking,” said Bridgette Carr, the director of the Human Trafficking Clinic at the University of Michigan Law School, who consulted with Ms. George’s team on the case. “I think this litigation and the courts are just trying to come up with the best, imperfect solution.”

Mr. Epstein’s executor, Darren K. Indyke, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Ms. George said she believed the case could chip away at the region’s reputation as a notorious haven for the rich and powerful.

“We will not remain complacent, and we will enforce our laws whatever way we can,” Ms. George said. “It doesn’t matter the social status of the person. It’s that the laws apply equally.”

The court documents said that Mr. Epstein operated with impunity for years at Little Saint James and Great Saint James, which he obtained through a straw purchaser in 2016.

As recently as July 2018, Mr. Epstein refused to permit an investigator from the Virgin Island’s Department of Justice to enter Little Saint James, claiming the island’s dock was his “front door,” according to the lawsuit. The investigator was doing routine monitoring of Mr. Epstein because he was a registered sex offender.

Mr. Epstein’s victims included aspiring models from South America, according to court documents.

Mr. Epstein used a ring of associates to rotate the women and girls in and out of sexual servitude, using fraudulent modeling visas to transport them across state lines and international borders, the lawsuit said. He tracked their availability and proximity using the database, court documents said.

Prosecutors in New York have said their investigation has continued and anyone who helped Mr. Epstein could face criminal charges.

In one instance, according to the lawsuit, one young girl attempted to swim off Mr. Epstein’s island and escape after she was forced to engage in sex acts with one of his co-conspirators. The girl was found, and held hostage on Mr. Epstein’s island after he confiscated her passport.

In addition, the lawsuit said, Mr. Epstein embarked on several illegal construction projects at Great Saint James, which caused damage to native coral and wildlife.

The more than a dozen women who have filed lawsuits against Mr. Epstein’s estate in New York City since his death have accused him of exploiting and sexually abusing them when they were young women and girls, according to court documents. Many are seeking financial compensation.

The lawsuit in the Virgin Islands appears to be the first filed against the estate in that jurisdiction. Mr. Epstein maintained his legal permanent residence — and his estate — there. He hastily filed his will in a Virgin Islands court just days before he killed himself.

Ms. George’s lawsuit also seeks to head off an effort by Mr. Epstein’s executor, Mr. Indyke, to turn Mr. Epstein’s vast wealth into a victim’s compensatory fund. Mr. Indyke’s proposal, which is currently being litigated in a separate Virgin Islands case, imposes confidentiality on any claimants, Ms. George said.

“The estate continues to engage in a course of conduct aimed at concealing the criminal activities of the Epstein enterprise,” the lawsuit said.

In a statement when that fund was first announced, Mr. Indyke said it would give victims “the opportunity to obtain appropriate compensation and to be heard and treated with compassion, dignity and respect.”

 

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These reports are starting to irk me.  There have been clear indications for years that Epstein was doing all this stuff.  When Epstein was surrounded by rich and powerful people, no one had the guts to do anything about it.  Now that he is dead, we get to hear from the fighters for truth, justice and the victims. 

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50 minutes ago, Max Power said:

These reports are starting to irk me.  There have been clear indications for years that Epstein was doing all this stuff.  When Epstein was surrounded by rich and powerful people, no one had the guts to do anything about it.  Now that he is dead, we get to hear from the fighters for truth, justice and the victims. 

These are the same people who denied that sex trafficking is a problem, especially if leaders of their party are implicated.

Many people tried to bring the issue up years ago but the guilty parties and media convinced the CNN/Facebook crowd that it was all about Hillary Clinton allegedly raping babies in a pizza parlor basement. Pedogate (the original story about sex trafficking underage girls, and boys) was turned into Pizzagate, a theory so absurd that the real criminal activity was bundled up with it and swept under the rug. Anyone who mentioned it (Pedogate) was labeled a conspiracy nut. Despite the evidence and arrests/convictions we have seen recently (Epstein-sex trafficking, Nader-child porn & sex trafficking, Buck-injecting black male prostitutes with meth, then banging them to death, NXVIM-convicted sex trafficking cult with close ties to Gillibrand/Clinton, to name a few) 

And it worked. Rather than go after Epstein and his network of traffickers/blackmailers/mossad handlers (and other like him), the media convinced the masses that it didn't happen. They even buried stories bout it.

Chickens are coming home to roost though.

Epstein's arrest and "suicide" have woken millions to the dark side of the elites and corruption/dishonesty of DC and MSM.

Hopefully the victims receive some justice, including revealing the names of all those who were paying to rape them. Good news is that there are plenty of records, including video. Bad news is that the media is already trying to discredit them with the "deep fake" hysteria they have oddly been pushing, given there have been zero examples of deep fakes being used for political purposes.

 

Eta: this is one of the reasons they (Democrats and Establishment Republicans) hate Trump so much. He isn't afraid, or being blackmailed like many of them, to stop these horrific crimes.

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On 1/9/2020 at 4:05 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is Bill Barr’s DOJ. The same DOJ that had previous notice from internal reporting of problems with inmate suicides in the federal system, including specifically at the one where Epstein died.

Please remind me is there a permanent confirmed director of bureau of prisons in place? We’re like on our third with this administration, right?

Seriously Barr needs to be put on the rack for this in committee hearing. 

Yeah this is what leaves me somewhat baffled. The majority of the people that I know that are really adamant that Epstein didn't kill himself are also vehement Trump supporters.  Well, Trump's administatration controls the prisons. Yet, the conspiracy theory seems to be that Hillary did it. For Hillary to do it, she would have to have almost unimaginably tight and strong ties to adminstration and law enforcement. Yet, somehow, this is the same Hillary Clinton who, despite having this incredible behind the scenes power, couldn't defeat one of the weaker Republican candidates of the last fifty years? 

Seems incongruent. 

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12 minutes ago, Zow said:

Yeah this is what leaves me somewhat baffled. The majority of the people that I know that are really adamant that Epstein didn't kill himself are also vehement Trump supporters.  Well, Trump's administatration controls the prisons. Yet, the conspiracy theory seems to be that Hillary did it. For Hillary to do it, she would have to have almost unimaginably tight and strong ties to adminstration and law enforcement. Yet, somehow, this is the same Hillary Clinton who, despite having this incredible behind the scenes power, couldn't defeat one of the weaker Republican candidates of the last fifty years? 

Seems incongruent. 

Most Americans who don't post here or watch CNN think Epstein didn't kill himself.

I imagine most of you would agree if you didn't hate Trump so much.

And Hillary is a powerless has been, she doesn't pull any important strings anymore.

Epstein was much bigger than Bill banging some young libertines. 

Epstein was likely taken out by an intelligence group that was using his client list to control governments and billions of dollars in aid packages. 

If that list leaks then they lose leverage.

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

These reports are starting to irk me.  There have been clear indications for years that Epstein was doing all this stuff.  When Epstein was surrounded by rich and powerful people, no one had the guts to do anything about it.  Now that he is dead, we get to hear from the fighters for truth, justice and the victims. 

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As recently as July 2018, Mr. Epstein refused to permit an investigator from the Virgin Island’s Department of Justice to enter Little Saint James, claiming the island’s dock was his “front door,” according to the lawsuit. The investigator was doing routine monitoring of Mr. Epstein because he was a registered sex offender.

- Yeah I agree. Maybe USVI is like some small county where the rich guy in town tells the sheriff what to do, but everywhere else I heard of the Sheriff breaks the door down when people don't comply.

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2 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

These are the same people who denied that sex trafficking is a problem, especially if leaders of their party are implicated.

Many people tried to bring the issue up years ago but the guilty parties and media convinced the CNN/Facebook crowd that it was all about Hillary Clinton allegedly raping babies in a pizza parlor basement. Pedogate (the original story about sex trafficking underage girls, and boys) was turned into Pizzagate, a theory so absurd that the real criminal activity was bundled up with it and swept under the rug. Anyone who mentioned it (Pedogate) was labeled a conspiracy nut. Despite the evidence and arrests/convictions we have seen recently (Epstein-sex trafficking, Nader-child porn & sex trafficking, Buck-injecting black male prostitutes with meth, then banging them to death, NXVIM-convicted sex trafficking cult with close ties to Gillibrand/Clinton, to name a few) 

And it worked. Rather than go after Epstein and his network of traffickers/blackmailers/mossad handlers (and other like him), the media convinced the masses that it didn't happen. They even buried stories bout it.

Chickens are coming home to roost though.

Epstein's arrest and "suicide" have woken millions to the dark side of the elites and corruption/dishonesty of DC and MSM.

Hopefully the victims receive some justice, including revealing the names of all those who were paying to rape them. Good news is that there are plenty of records, including video. Bad news is that the media is already trying to discredit them with the "deep fake" hysteria they have oddly been pushing, given there have been zero examples of deep fakes being used for political purposes.

Wait, so now the conspiracy is that pizzagate was a conspiracy by the pedophile ring or whatever to throw the general public off its scent? 

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21 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Most Americans who don't post here or watch CNN think Epstein didn't kill himself.

I imagine most of you would agree if you didn't hate Trump so much.

And Hillary is a powerless has been, she doesn't pull any important strings anymore.

Epstein was much bigger than Bill banging some young libertines. 

Epstein was likely taken out by an intelligence group that was using his client list to control governments and billions of dollars in aid packages. 

If that list leaks then they lose leverage.

See, these are the two issues that I'm struggling to find correlation with. 

 

I don't know whether Epstein killed himself. I am, however, uniquely experienced enough with jails and prisons to know that they make significant mistakes. I have had clients charged with similar charges to him kill themselves. So, I do not find it at all surprising that somebody in his position killed himself.

That said, I can also see the logic in thinking that there's a real possibility he was murdered because of the individuals who may have been able to bring down. I'm generally skeptical of conspiracies but concede that there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting foul play. So, while I think it's less than likely, I don't think it's crazy to think he didn't kill himself.

I don't think either of the above because I watch CNN (I don't - I honestly get my news on this forum) or because I dislike Trump (I do dislike Trump but that genuinely has nothing to do with my thoughts on Epstein - hence the point of my post). 

But, where I get lost, is how this is somehow political and how a significant portion of people think the Clintons killed him. And, further, why Trump's administration is somehow free from blame and it doesn't seem weird or a problem to people that Trump isn't looking into it. 

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8 minutes ago, Zow said:
44 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

These are the same people who denied that sex trafficking is a problem, especially if leaders of their party are implicated.

Many people tried to bring the issue up years ago but the guilty parties and media convinced the CNN/Facebook crowd that it was all about Hillary Clinton allegedly raping babies in a pizza parlor basement. Pedogate (the original story about sex trafficking underage girls, and boys) was turned into Pizzagate, a theory so absurd that the real criminal activity was bundled up with it and swept under the rug. Anyone who mentioned it (Pedogate) was labeled a conspiracy nut. Despite the evidence and arrests/convictions we have seen recently (Epstein-sex trafficking, Nader-child porn & sex trafficking, Buck-injecting black male prostitutes with meth, then banging them to death, NXVIM-convicted sex trafficking cult with close ties to Gillibrand/Clinton, to name a few) 

And it worked. Rather than go after Epstein and his network of traffickers/blackmailers/mossad handlers (and other like him), the media convinced the masses that it didn't happen. They even buried stories bout it.

Chickens are coming home to roost though.

Epstein's arrest and "suicide" have woken millions to the dark side of the elites and corruption/dishonesty of DC and MSM.

Hopefully the victims receive some justice, including revealing the names of all those who were paying to rape them. Good news is that there are plenty of records, including video. Bad news is that the media is already trying to discredit them with the "deep fake" hysteria they have oddly been pushing, given there have been zero examples of deep fakes being used for political purposes.

Wait, so now the conspiracy is that pizzagate was a conspiracy by the pedophile ring or whatever to throw the general public off its scent? 

I like how he tried to slip in "close ties to Clinton" but conveniently omitted the fact that two of the guys on his list (Epstein and Nader) had close ties to Trump.

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18 hours ago, Zow said:

See, these are the two issues that I'm struggling to find correlation with. 

 

I don't know whether Epstein killed himself. I am, however, uniquely experienced enough with jails and prisons to know that they make significant mistakes. I have had clients charged with similar charges to him kill themselves. So, I do not find it at all surprising that somebody in his position killed himself.

That said, I can also see the logic in thinking that there's a real possibility he was murdered because of the individuals who may have been able to bring down. I'm generally skeptical of conspiracies but concede that there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting foul play. So, while I think it's less than likely, I don't think it's crazy to think he didn't kill himself.

I don't think either of the above because I watch CNN (I don't - I honestly get my news on this forum) or because I dislike Trump (I do dislike Trump but that genuinely has nothing to do with my thoughts on Epstein - hence the point of my post). 

But, where I get lost, is how this is somehow political and how a significant portion of people think the Clintons killed him. And, further, why Trump's administration is somehow free from blame and it doesn't seem weird or a problem to people that Trump isn't looking into it. 

Yeah, Clinton isn’t the one I’m giving the benefit of the doubt by believing Epstein killed himself. Trump is. 

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5 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Yeah, Clinton isn’t the one I’m giving the benefit of the doubt by believing Epstein killed himself. Trump is. 

Exactly. Or, more poignantly, his adminstration that runs the prisons. If an inmate wants to kill himself it's pretty difficult, especially given the current resources of prisons (i.e. a person cannot be watched every second of the day), to stop that inmate from doing so. 

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Baden suggesting Epstein was murdered.

Jeffrey Epstein’s eyes had burst capillaries after his body was found in his Manhattan jail cell, suggesting that the convicted pedophile was likely murdered through manual strangulation and did not hang himself, a forensic pathologist says in a TV interview.

In a clip provided to The Post from a “Dr. Oz” special set to air Thursday, former New York City Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden discusses his theories and examines graphic photographs.

Among them are the burst capillaries and the fact that Epstein’s lower extremities were pale and not purple or bluish, which he said would have been the case had he hanged himself in August at the Manhattan Correctional Center.

“The blood settles after we die. The so-called lividity, if you’re hanging, the lividity is on the lower part on the legs. These would be like maroon/purple, front and back and they aren’t,” Baden tells Dr. Mehmet Oz........

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3 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Baden suggesting Epstein was murdered.

Jeffrey Epstein’s eyes had burst capillaries after his body was found in his Manhattan jail cell, suggesting that the convicted pedophile was likely murdered through manual strangulation and did not hang himself, a forensic pathologist says in a TV interview.

In a clip provided to The Post from a “Dr. Oz” special set to air Thursday, former New York City Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden discusses his theories and examines graphic photographs.

Among them are the burst capillaries and the fact that Epstein’s lower extremities were pale and not purple or bluish, which he said would have been the case had he hanged himself in August at the Manhattan Correctional Center.

“The blood settles after we die. The so-called lividity, if you’re hanging, the lividity is on the lower part on the legs. These would be like maroon/purple, front and back and they aren’t,” Baden tells Dr. Mehmet Oz........

Much like the sun coming up tomorrow I thought this was known?

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8 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Yeah, Clinton isn’t the one I’m giving the benefit of the doubt by believing Epstein killed himself. Trump is. 

And yet, given the amount of contact between them and JE, the one that's exponentially more likely to have something to hide here is Clinton.  

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30 minutes ago, Sand said:

And yet, given the amount of contact between them and JE, the one that's exponentially more likely to have something to hide here is Clinton.  

Wasn't Trump a lot more involved with Epstein? They partied frequently in the 90's and I believe Epstein had claimed in the past that he was responsible for Trump and Melania ending up together. The Clintons seemed to be in the "Epstein ingratiating himself with powerful people across the world (politicians, scientists, royals)" crowd, while Trump was part of the "personal friend" crowd (at least for awhile).

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41 minutes ago, Sand said:

And yet, given the amount of contact between them and JE, the one that's exponentially more likely to have something to hide here is Clinton.  

1. Really? Epstein recruited at least one “employee” at Mar a Lago. Epstein and Trump threw at least one model party together.  I think they’re both pretty likely.

2. Which one is literally in charge of the DOJ and federal prison system?

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22 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Wasn't Trump a lot more involved with Epstein? They partied frequently in the 90's and I believe Epstein had claimed in the past that he was responsible for Trump and Melania ending up together. The Clintons seemed to be in the "Epstein ingratiating himself with powerful people across the world (politicians, scientists, royals)" crowd, while Trump was part of the "personal friend" crowd (at least for awhile).

Did you ever catch a glimpse of the portrait Epstein had of Bill? 

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46 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

1. Really? Epstein recruited at least one “employee” at Mar a Lago. Epstein and Trump threw at least one model party together.  I think they’re both pretty likely.

2. Which one is literally in charge of the DOJ and federal prison system?

And let’s not forget that the prosecutor who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal was a member of Trump’s cabinet.

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48 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Did you ever catch a glimpse of the portrait Epstein had of Bill? 

Did you see the lawsuit where a woman claimed Trump and Epstein raped her together?

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5 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Did you see the lawsuit where a woman claimed Trump and Epstein raped her together?

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

During the 2016 campaign, Trump was sued by an anonymous woman who claimed he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13 years old. However, several journalists who dug into this allegation back then came away voicing caution or downright skepticism, and the accuser withdrew her lawsuit shortly before the election.

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57 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

During the 2016 campaign, Trump was sued by an anonymous woman who claimed he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13 years old. However, several journalists who dug into this allegation back then came away voicing caution or downright skepticism, and the accuser withdrew her lawsuit shortly before the election.

And that, to you, raises significantly less red flags than Epstein having a painting of Clinton in a blue dress?

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

And that, to you, raises significantly less red flags than Epstein having a painting of Clinton in a blue dress?

No one is comparing them Henry.

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1 hour ago, Biff84 said:

And let’s not forget that the prosecutor who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal was a member of Trump’s cabinet.

and that he was told to lay off because epstein "belonged" to intelligence

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2 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

1. Really? Epstein recruited at least one “employee” at Mar a Lago. Epstein and Trump threw at least one model party together.  I think they’re both pretty likely.

Yes, really.  Clinton flew the pedo express, what, 14 times?  More than once reportedly without his security.  Trump threw Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for saying something objectionable to one of the servers.  That isn't consistent with someone that Epstein would have dirt on.  That model party was quite a long time ago and I don't think the allegations against Epstein reach back that far (could be wrong there).  While both are possible, for sure,  the trips on the plane are much more problematic.  IMO.  None of this is partisan here - anyone involved in this should burn.

The talk of "who controls federal prisons" is definitely on the :tinfoilhat: side.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

Yes, really.  Clinton flew the pedo express, what, 14 times?  More than once reportedly without his security.  Trump threw Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for saying something objectionable to one of the servers.  That isn't consistent with someone that Epstein would have dirt on.  That model party was quite a long time ago and I don't think the allegations against Epstein reach back that far (could be wrong there).  While both are possible, for sure,  the trips on the plane are much more problematic.  IMO.  None of this is partisan here - anyone involved in this should burn.

The talk of "who controls federal prisons" is definitely on the :tinfoilhat: side.

I believe the assumption is that Epstein had been doing this stuff for quite a long time. The earliest complaint against him that I've seen dates back to 1996 (Marie and Annie Farmer), but from what Marie described it didn't sound like this was a new thing for him:

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Farmer said Epstein ultimately led her to his bathroom. "And there was a marble, like, altar thing over here, and he said that's where he gets his massages," Farmer said.

Epstein told her the whole house was wired with pinhole cameras and took her into the media room where they were monitored. "I looked on the cameras, and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet, bed. I'm like 'I am never going to use the restroom here, and I'm never going to sleep here,'" she said.

"Was there videotape?" Mason asked.

"Oh yeah, it was all video-ed, all the time. And I asked him one time, 'What do you do with this?' And he said, 'I keep it. I keep everything in my safe,'" Farmer said.

CBS

Trump said he'd known him for "fifteen years" in 2002 and called him a "terrific guy" and that he "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Here's a decent article that breaks down the known public connections for both Clinton and Trump

They both deserve a lot of flak for their tolerance of his behavior (and there's certainly reason to suspect them both when it comes to being one of his 'clients'). But, IMO, Trump's connections sound far more in depth, over a much longer time period, than Clinton's.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

Yes, really.  Clinton flew the pedo express, what, 14 times?  More than once reportedly without his security.  Trump threw Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for saying something objectionable to one of the servers.  That isn't consistent with someone that Epstein would have dirt on.  That model party was quite a long time ago and I don't think the allegations against Epstein reach back that far (could be wrong there).  While both are possible, for sure,  the trips on the plane are much more problematic.  IMO.  None of this is partisan here - anyone involved in this should burn.

The talk of "who controls federal prisons" is definitely on the :tinfoilhat: side.

The discussion of anyone murdering him in prison is enormously on the :tinfoilhat:side. 

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13 hours ago, mcintyre1 said:

Wasn't Trump a lot more involved with Epstein? They partied frequently in the 90's and I believe Epstein had claimed in the past that he was responsible for Trump and Melania ending up together. The Clintons seemed to be in the "Epstein ingratiating himself with powerful people across the world (politicians, scientists, royals)" crowd, while Trump was part of the "personal friend" crowd (at least for awhile).

Personally I think they are, along with everyone that had contact with Epstein, dirty as the day is long. Trying to say one is worse than the other or one had more documented encounters with Epstein than the other is ridiculous. Epstein didn't play favorites, he had #### on everyone and they ALL lapped it up. He catered to their base desires and everyone that walked into his parties knew wtf was going on there. To say different is just being dishonest with yourself. There are a lot of people that had a hand in this because power takes care of power.

8 hours ago, Getzlaf15 said:

LOL at anyone thinking that Epstein is a party issue.

Yea this

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The warden in charge when Jeffrey Epstein ended his life in his jail cell is being moved to a leadership position at another federal correctional facility, putting him back in the field with inmates despite an ongoing investigation into the financier’s death, two people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

The federal Bureau of Prisons is planning to move Lamine N’Diaye to the role at FCI Fort Dix, a low-security prison in Burlington County, New Jersey, the people said. The move comes months after Attorney General William Barr ordered N’Diaye be reassigned to a desk post at the Bureau of Prisons’ regional office in Pennsylvania after Epstein’s death as the FBI and the Justice Department’s inspector general investigated.

One of the people said the agency planned to move N’Diaye into the new role on Feb. 2. The people spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an internal personnel matter.

It was unclear why the agency was planning to return N’Diaye to a position supervising inmates and staff members, even though multiple investigations into Epstein’s death remain active. The inspector general’s investigation is continuing, and the Justice Department is still probing the circumstances that led to Epstein’s death, including why he wasn’t given a cellmate.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/24/feds-plan-to-move-epstein-warden-to-prison-job.html

Because they need her to keep quiet.  That's why...

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John McCain’s Widow, Cindy McCain: ‘We All Knew About’ Jeffrey Epstein

Cindy McCain, the widow of late Sen. John McCain, was at a human trafficking conference in Florida when she made an astonishing statement.

She ripped law enforcement for not doing anything about convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, while saying “we all knew” about what he was doing.

McCain was responding to a question from a young man in the audience who said that young people believed that there were people in power who not only benefitted from sex trafficking but actively participated in it, mentioning Epstein. He asked is is possible to get these power players or is it a “pipe dream.”

“Epstein was hiding in plain sight,” Cindy McCain replied. “We all knew about him. We all knew what he was doing, but we had no one that was — no legal aspect that would go after him. They were afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid of him. All of a sudden, someone said, b.s., we’re not afraid of you anymore. What you’re doing is not only wrong, it’s illegal, it’s all those things. It’s like a house of cards. It’s going to start tumbling. These guys, if they don’t leave the country, number one, they’re going to get caught. And not only are they going to get caught, they’re going to be made examples of. And that’s exactly what we should be doing, with these guys especially. In my opinion, Epstein was chickens**t, he should have faced the music, that one.”

McCain also explained that she personally knew of a case where “a girl from my daughter’s high school” was one of Epstein’s victims. “That’s how close to home it came for us.” She said she hoped that the discussion could cover where it is and leave the audience with “an action item for tonight.”

So here is a question.

There’s a difference between a random citizen on the street hearing about Epstein rumors.

Here’s the wife of, at the time, one of the powerful people in the Senate, who’s claiming she knew about Epstein and a personal case. Is she saying she tried to alert people and was turned down? Or simply “everyone knew” but no one did or was able to get anything done about it?

Indeed, she was right that many people did know, at least since his conviction in 2010. Yet, many celebrities still had contact with him even after he served time.

 

We really need to drain the swamp. 

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7 hours ago, Max Power said:

Because they need her to keep quiet.  That's why...

Who are you referring to as “her”?

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32 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Who are you referring to as “her”?

Sorry him. I've gotten the him/her on the warden mixed up before. 

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