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Gun Paranoia (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Hawkeye21
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KCitons
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
We don't. See your other post.
Until this changes, it won't matter what you ban. People will still want to hurt other people.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
You are correct but as long as there are large corporations that are preventing any kind of progression towards making improvements nothing will get done. Organizations like the NRA are damaging to our country. They are a money before people group.
KCitons
Footballguy
I'm not an NRA supporter. I've made that clear numerous times. Haven't given them a dime in decades.
But, I don't see the NRA as being that much different from the tobacco companies or even some of the pharma companies. They are money before people.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Absolutely. The NRA is awful. They are a corporate shill disguised as a family organization. Pure evil.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well, they don't sell anything for one. They bill themselves as a fraternity. More akin to the Church of Scientology than Bayer.
KCitons
Footballguy
Yeah. The cigarette companies sell death in a convenient package that fits in your pocket. And the pharma companies make the cures so expensive that you may not be able to live with it or without it.
Neat.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I wasn't implying that you were an NRA supporter, just saying that they are an organization that gets in the way of progress.
KCitons
Footballguy
I won't disagree with this statement in general. But I would also point out that there are many cities and states that have laws to go against what the NRA wants. My city is an example of that. Buying a handgun requires both a background check and registration. That seems to be completely against what the NRA would want. Yet, it's still a requirement. So, I don't think they are standing in the way of local laws.
I also think that they stood in the way of some things, but only over the past few decades. Prior to that they were responsible for the progression. In the next 10-20 years, I think they will be important to protect us from over reaching regulation. There are more people now then at any time in the history of our country that want to ban all firearms. For me, that's an extreme position. It will take extreme opposite position of the NRA to bring things back to the middle.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I agree with you, that's an extreme position but I think that's a very small percentage of the population.
KCitons
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
why did you word it as gun paranoia ?
par·a·noi·a
/ˌperəˈnoiə/
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
par·a·noi·a
/ˌperəˈnoiə/
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
These two come to mind when I think of certain people who think their all of their guns are going to be taken away. The one's who think there is going to be some massive government takeover. The ones who have doomsday shelters. It's not a large percentage of people but they are certainly paranoid.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I think that because I really don't know any people that seriously think that way. I'm sure you're right that it's growing. It makes sense that there would be more every time there is terrible event like a mass shooting. It gets to the point where even certain gun owners change their mind on having them.
jonessed
Footballguy
And others would see it as an organization that protects civil liberties.
Seems like you are defining getting “in the way of progress” as simply not doing what you want.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I think that's what they use to be all about. I think they do a little of that now but I don't think they have the people's best interests as a priority. I think they are more for protecting corporations. There are many NRA members that quit because of how they've changed.
And others would see it as an organization that protects civil liberties.
Seems like you are defining getting “in the way of progress” as simply not doing what you want.
I was thinking more along the lines of them getting in the way of research, like collecting data on shootings. If that's not doing what I want, then sure.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
you can go to the gun / us shootings thread and read multiple people wanting to ban all guns, ban all semi-auto guns, and some want to abolish/rewrite the 2nd Amendment
they're very real - its not delusion of paranoia ... and these new laws that are banning what are supposed to be targeted AR15 type rifles are in effect targeting way more guns that that
very real
McJose
Footballguy
Do you remember not too long ago when everybody swore up and down that Obama was going to take away everybody's guns?
What eventually happened?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
McJose
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
laid the foundation for the laws you're now seeing in some states .... GOP and NRA fought hard against Obama, even his Executive order on gun control lacked any real substance didn't it ?
Obama had 8 years and did he do anything to solve the core problems of the violence in the USA? i don't think he did ............ and these recent rules and laws aimed at law abiding people won't either, until the core problem is addressed, the violence will not stop.
its not paranoia to see the gun control zealots on the left and their true goals, that's reality
FYI I'm away for the next 4 days on a bass fishing tournament - I am not ignoring just not around.
McJose
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I think I've only seen one member on here actually admit that he would like all guns banned. Banning specific guns is something many are for or are considering. I don't anyone who said they want to abolish the 2nd amendment but maybe there's one. There is nothing wrong with revising the 2nd amendment and I am one that thinks it may be a good idea.
You think it's all very real, I think it's paranoia.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
What's your point? We've had more talk about banning from lawmakers in the last year, than we did during Obama's eight years.
At a minimum we are looking at an assault weapons ban. And that will overreach in some cases.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Actually it was working. We saw drops in issues related to assault weapons. The problem is with the grandfather clause for weapons and large capacity magazines. It was always going to take time for the full effect to kick in and ten years wasnt enough to see the full effect.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
This is really disingenuous. When alcohol was banned, it was intended to be a permanent ban. They had to undo the ban because the problems it created (unregulated alcohol production and consumption) were worse than the problem it was intended to solve (drinkers are sinners).
The end of the semi-automatic ban was written into the law that banned it. It was a temporary ban from the start, unless it was renewed.
It ended not because it didn't work, but because law makers just let it expire.
KCitons
Footballguy
How long did prohibition last? Fourteen years?
Do you think prohibition would be handled differently today than it was 100 years ago?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I think the unregulated alcohol production and consumption would be far worse today than it was back then.
KCitons
Footballguy
Do you think the unregulated number of assault weapons in this country and the advances in technology would be different from the last ban?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
Did those other countries have the number of guns we have in the U.S.? Ban guns, people here will find ways to circumvent the system to get what they want. The gun culture is different here than any other country. Who created the bump stock? An American. Who figured out how to 3d print a gun? An American company.
NCCommish
Footballguy
We aren't talking about alcohol here. The 2 things are different. Conflating them isn't a good argument.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I was referencing the ban on alcohol. I agree that the ban on assault weapons seemed to be effective.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
Right. Because that would force people to question their motive around wanting tougher gun laws.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Saw Ice-T in an interview a few weeks ago and he stated he guns are not the problem "People will always find ways to kill other people with or without guns...look at the people who strap bombs to themselves and blow everybody up" How ironic. This was before the Easter massacre.
NCCommish
Footballguy
No it doesn't. We also want tougher laws to punish people that drink and drive and kill someone with their car for example.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
This is not a good post. No one in here is whining, most gun owners that I know, myself included, are very supportive of tighter regulations, background checks, etc and are certainly not whiners. I don't even really know what you mean, now that I am typing this, honestly.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
While its not a majority, there have been many more than one that are interested in banning all guns.
NCCommish
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
We're talking about prohibition of something that a vast number of the population wants. That is a good argument
unckeyherb
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
I have many gun owner friends as well. They dont whine. They aren't everyone though and neither are your friends.
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