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How do you handle poor, lazy, unlucky people? (1 Viewer)
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I tell my brother to get a job.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Quit electing them.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Serious answer, I try to help when I can. The facility is closed, but I still help people when I can. And in August, I will start work at a Mental illness/Homeless transition house where I will be resident manager.
I leave it to others to deal with the political aspect, I work with a person at a time
I leave it to others to deal with the political aspect, I work with a person at a time
I assume each is a category.
Poor - Depends how you got there. Lazy, see below. Unlucky, see below.
Lazy - ZERO sympathy. I mean absolute ZERO. I won't help you. I don't give a rats ### about you.
Unlucky - I'd help any way I could and have done so. Been there myself.
If you are all 3, it's simply your fault because of 'lazy'.
Poor - Depends how you got there. Lazy, see below. Unlucky, see below.
Lazy - ZERO sympathy. I mean absolute ZERO. I won't help you. I don't give a rats ### about you.
Unlucky - I'd help any way I could and have done so. Been there myself.
If you are all 3, it's simply your fault because of 'lazy'.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
I understand thinking lazy. There are quite a few, but a lot of the people I had considered lazy, just have lost all hope. It's sad really
But you should be able to identify that. If you start out lazy, you are simply a worthless loser. If they have 'lost all hope' do to being unlucky and or poor, I don't consider them lazy so to speak because if you help them, they should relatively quickly become hopeful.
When I think lazy, I think of the clown on the scooter crossing the 4 lane highway and his scooter shuts down on him 1/2 across the lanes, then he gets off the seat, picks the scooter up (yes, physically picks it up) and carries it across to the other side. THAT is a lazy loser AND a true story, just wish I had a camera rolling.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Millions are born into poor families that were never taught a work ethic or value of education. It's a vicious cycle.
Agree with above - "lazy" is incredibly complex.
Very often, I've seen people casually throw out the word lazy when there's a ton more to the story.
Very often, I've seen people casually throw out the word lazy when there's a ton more to the story.
Gawain
Footballguy
Has it shifted? We now have media that goes back 2-3 generations that provides valid comps.
Look at a novel such as Factotum written two generations ago looking back a further generation. That's lazy in any day and age.
Look at Raskolnikov. Dostoyevsky's portrayal of lazy still rings true.
Was the Bonus Army of 1932 lazy? To me, this rings of "Kids these Days" sentiment and ignores 100+ years of history.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Like I said, there are "con artists" and "lazy" people on the street.
Sometimes I try to help them. I have helped a couple to get back on the right path.
KCitons
Footballguy
This is why I asked how we are defining lazy.
Thinking of my high school and college days, just doing homework was much more difficult. I didn't have computers to accomplish my research. Are kids today lazy because they have access to more information than I did? Probably not, but should they have more free time to improve in other areas? Are they?
crackattack
Footballguy
Handle them like adults.
The poor. Help with continuing education or trade skills. Help with government programs. Try to move them forward and not dependence.
Lazy. Truly lazy? Nothing. The "given up". That's tougher. Family intervention. Community help. A kick in the butt.
Unlucky. Depends? If they fall into the poor, see above. Besides that, nothing.
The poor. Help with continuing education or trade skills. Help with government programs. Try to move them forward and not dependence.
Lazy. Truly lazy? Nothing. The "given up". That's tougher. Family intervention. Community help. A kick in the butt.
Unlucky. Depends? If they fall into the poor, see above. Besides that, nothing.
Rockchild
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i'm old so it comes naturally now, but it shonuff seems to me that gaming has increased the number of what i call uh-uh-uh kids who give a deadeyed shrug to every life sitch. when i think of them AND the coming drone economy, i get pretty glad that i'm in my last decade on this impatient orb.
whoknew
Footballguy
I don't think - in a wealthy society - it makes sense to throw out anyone. Even "lazy" people. As Joe said above, there are often extenuating circumstances.
But lets say there is someone who just doesn't care, doesn't want to work, and just wants to lay around and watch TV all day. Even if you don't think there's a moral/ethical obligation to help those people, it seems better for the country as a whole that they have their basic needs met.
But lets say there is someone who just doesn't care, doesn't want to work, and just wants to lay around and watch TV all day. Even if you don't think there's a moral/ethical obligation to help those people, it seems better for the country as a whole that they have their basic needs met.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There are varying types based on my work in high school. Some are truly lazy. Many others have mental health issues or have given up due to repeated failure where their efforts haven't led to positive results.
That isn't a constructive attitude.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I would deny them basic necessities like healthcare and then castigate them on magic football websites by painting them with one broad brush.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Also just random factoid this is relevant here, about 13% of the students in public education are certified with a disability. Now there are certainly varying forms and severities but that number is large and those kids are at an absolute disadvantage. It does not include the kids who are just lower IQ (having a low IQ only qualifies for SE if it falls under 70). So we have another 13% of students who are more than 1 SD below normal with IQs between 70 and 85. Again, people can be successful and live wonderful lives with an IQ of 75 but the gap in abilities between an IQ of 75 and 95 is MASSIVE.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Lazy is also a very subjective idea. Is working 40 hours a week the standard for not being lazy? If so, I'm all for lazy because I want a 30 hour week and 3 months of vacation a year.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Jackstraw
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2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
concentration camps - i'm only half-kidding.
i come to this virtually every time i consider a future world in my writing. fence off NDakota, half of it barracks. room & board, healthcare, coaxial, beer/weed/entertainment ration book, REO Speedwagon, Miami Sound Machine, Trick Daddy concerts weekly. break the rules, you go to the other half of NDak, which is naked & afraid.
the only teacher i valued gave the same speech first day of every year (this was 50 yrs ago, but indulge me) "Who wants to learn this? (show of hands) Naw, who really wants to learn this (half show of hands). (to the non-raisers) All y'all OK with a C? Stay out of the way of those who want to learn, i'll give you a C and you dont have to do a damn thing. Mess with us, instant F. A quarter of the class took their C, another quarter came back to the fold and the other half were able to enjoy a productive learning experience in an urban public high school. jussayin'
i come to this virtually every time i consider a future world in my writing. fence off NDakota, half of it barracks. room & board, healthcare, coaxial, beer/weed/entertainment ration book, REO Speedwagon, Miami Sound Machine, Trick Daddy concerts weekly. break the rules, you go to the other half of NDak, which is naked & afraid.
the only teacher i valued gave the same speech first day of every year (this was 50 yrs ago, but indulge me) "Who wants to learn this? (show of hands) Naw, who really wants to learn this (half show of hands). (to the non-raisers) All y'all OK with a C? Stay out of the way of those who want to learn, i'll give you a C and you dont have to do a damn thing. Mess with us, instant F. A quarter of the class took their C, another quarter came back to the fold and the other half were able to enjoy a productive learning experience in an urban public high school. jussayin'
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I believe it's because that person is riding a handicap scooter when they don't need one
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I would put that in the unlucky category. They can still be lazy though.Ilov80s said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
For sure. I’m just saying their ceiling is capped and I work with lots of HS kids with disabilities/low IQs who are very lazy in school and sometimes I don’t really blame them for it. If I spent 8 years trying at something and failing repeatedly, I would probably give up to.
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