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I don’t think market evaluations have anything to do with political POV. A thing is or it isn’t.Considering it was supposed to crash and the world was going to end if Trump got elected I can’t complain.
It isn't all unicorn dust and rooster farts out there. All this stuff is a mixed bag, for sure.
I've posted this very link and a few others about a dozen times on these boards. IF there is a response it will be "but joe hillbilly was saying the world was going to come to an end if trump got elected...derp derp derp" Most of the time there is no response. The problem seems to be listening to joe hillbilly (or at minimum allowing joe hillbilly to be a reference point of any sort in framing legit discussion).
That’s about turning the market performance into a political talking point which yeah deserves to be looked at and corrected.
Don't disagree...day to day can be maddening for those who rely on stability. I'm not messing with my investment money for another 15-20 years, so what happens today doesn't really concern me. I share your concerns, primarily #2 and current day actions and their long term implications. The standard the economy runs on these days is "confidence". You don't have to look any further than 2008 to tell that. The more unstable, the more room for panic the more room for losing confidence in the market. If that confidence goes, businesses die and a lot of people lose a lot of money.
It doesn’t. The public, like Trump, had a paranoid fear of the deal (as they do for all major trade deals.) Hillary knew better, but shamelessly reversed herself in a transparent move that did not help her at all. Had Hillary won, I believe she would have reversed again and been for it.
So.... in your world its possible that trump is really for it but is afraid to stand up to those against it?
No. Trump has been consistently against international trade agreements for 40 years. It’s one of his very few consistent viewpoints.
He seems to love them. he's trying to do them with many different countries.
The definition of “low bar”Considering it was supposed to crash and the world was going to end if Trump got elected I can’t complain.
Lol. First off, if you think I'm defending Hillary you are grossly mistaken. I was extremely upset Hillary came out against TPP, it was a shameless attempt at politics, I said so at the time. It infuriates me to this day. She came out against, didn't explain it, and then never campaigned in Wisconsin or Michigan during the last month!! Incredibly dumb, lazy, and arrogant. And she deserves to have lost the election.
Predicting something bad isn’t the same as saying that the bad thing is the minimum standard of success.
Agreed....and international all the same, which you said before he didn't like. He seems to like them very much. If the bold is what you meant, then say that. Don't be jon or tony
So you lower your bar of accountability and measurables? Sounds like a race to the bottom. Good luck with that.
Gopher State said:
That is an ugly graph to look at.Bucky86 said:
Market doubles every 8 years. So let’s wait.Bucky86 said:
Ask me how my Apple stock is doing; you were quick to make fun about my purchases in the past. I hang up and wait for your response . Only up 29 percent for the year.
Cute graph. Misleading and wrong, but cute.Bucky86 said:
Pretty sure you’ve already said on this board you sold that, right? And it kept dropping quite a bit after you bought it, as I said it would?Ask me how my Apple stock is doing; you were quick to make fun about my purchases in the past. I hang up and wait for your response . Only up 29 percent for the year.
I was concerned, myself, but not hysteric. I didn’t see a log of hysteria but there were strong negative reactions. I was also confident that Trump doesn’t know what he is doing so the economy and the markets would suffer. The timeline was wrong, granted, but the last year or so does provide evidence that the concerns may have been justified. With low rates and tax breaks and yet we end up where we are now, no wonder that recession predictions are on the rise.GoBirds said:
How many times did the yield curve invert in those years? How was copper doing? How many farms were going bankrupt? How many people were 90 days late on a car payment?
How many countries had negative yielding interest rates in those years?
Talking points? I have no idea what you are talking about but I am sure you think you are being clever. Yes, the S&P 500 is the metric one should reference when talking about the stock market.Wait....now "the market" is defined only by the S&P?
Is anyone else noticing the definitions are getting narrower and narrower as the talking points are taken away?
"Selective"? The Dow is down for benchmarks of five days, one month, six months, and one year. What am I selecting?
There's a lot of discussion to be had, but if you're an investor the S&P 500 is the best metric you should be looking at, absolutely. If you're looking into the health of the economy through the stock market, there's a lot to be gleaned from talking about the Dow.
I believe it was last October that I stated on this board that indicators were showing recession risk as soon as eighteen months out. The stock market is sitting where it was in January, 2018. The Dow has gone up 1200 points or so from that level at times and down 3500 points or so from that level.
One thing I learned working for tips was that rich people are poor tippers. That's because they keep their money.
The assertion was made above that the S&P has gone nowhere in the last 17 months. That was a false statement - we've gained right about 4% since then. Damn twitter hacks using purposefully misleading data piss me off - that crap gets parroted around as it looks good and reasonable.
