Stealthycat
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yes, so you can live in your own echo chamber and ignore anyone who disagree's with any views
that's the smart thing to do
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Reagan to Nixon: "those monkeys from African countries....they're still uncomfortable wearing shoes" (1 Viewer)
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that's the smart thing to do
parasaurolophus
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That story has a section in it with a technique that I am seeing more and more these days. Annoys me like crazy.
The recently promoted DCCC official in that middle paragraph is a black woman. They absolutely just want you to assume it is a white person and not click on the hyperlink to the story.
Then they follow up that paragraph with a quote saying the bold. WTF? I mean the woman in the middle paragraph was promoted to
Screw the media.
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[scooter]
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It's 2019. If you're still upset over the lack of a White History Month, then you're not worth engaging on any level.
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Apple Jack
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Apple Jack
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There is a Congressional White Caucus. It goes by a different name...Congress.
squistion
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Stealthy in the Kaepernick thread kept referring to Kaep as being half-white implying that being of mixed race disqualified him from speaking out on discrimination against African Americans and other minorities.
So I can't say his complaint about there not being a White History Month surprises me.
IvanKaramazov
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". . . and what's up with black people using the N-word when white people can't use it?"
moleculo
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Nipsey
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I was certain going in that your punch line was going to be the Republican Party. I was wrong.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
ya'll continue - i dont have the energy right now
Apple Jack
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You have a warped worldview. I don't feel that everyone is entitled to a debate. You are so far removed from reality from my POV that you may as well be trying to engage people on flat earth theory, but more dangerous.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
@timschochet I'm not sure if you follow Kevin Kruse (American History Professor at Princeton) on twitter, but I highly recommend doing so. Very eye opening, to say the least.
timschochet
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
One of the best follows on twitter. Because you’re a thoughtful guy, I know you would enjoy him. Cheers!
OrtonToOlsen
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It’s been a while since I’ve seen you trot this out. I have to hand it to you...no matter how many times you’ve been shown that this is an incredibly obtuse way of looking at history you still stick to your guns.
msommer
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That is the Democrat history. It is obtuse to deny it. The point he made was not all that good, but it does not change the fact the most racist policies in our nation's history were supported by mostly Democrats.
Apple Jack
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Until they left for the GOP.jon_mx said:
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[scooter]
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I see how you subtly changed what Apple Jack said.
He was referring to Southern Democrats, but you changed it to "southern Democrat politicians".
Gee, I wonder why?
timschochet
Footballguy
Democrats were generally more racist than Republicans during the Civil War era and the period that followed. Therefore, Trump is not a racist.OrtonToOlsen said:
I can buy that reasoning.
ConnSKINS26
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"I can't tell you about the man who was on the phone," she writes. "He's not a man I knew."
There's the trap again. Even well-meaning people offering no defense for a family member's racism fall into it.
There's the trap again. Even well-meaning people offering no defense for a family member's racism fall into it.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Nobody is denying any history here.jon_mx said:
Nobody is disputing what the Democrats may or may not have done 60 or 160 years ago.
[scooter]
Footballguy
It's also a very subtle non-denial denial.
She's not saying "I was never aware of any racist beliefs." She's saying "I didn't get acquainted with that side of him."
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Right. To her, as it never manifested in a way that affected her, it didn't exist in the man she knew. Goes right back to what I was talking about earlier in this thread.
And this thread is about something that happened 50 years ago. It is all pretty pointless.
OrtonToOlsen
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Sheriff Bart
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Well ok, let's make threads about all the racial slurs politicians have made over the years.
A book out today claims that 26 years ago Hillary Clinton called Paul Fray, her husband's campaign manager at the time, a "####### Jew *******".
Mrs Clinton denied the allegation and pressed the president into supporting her, but the author, Jerry Oppenheimer, said: "Three witnesses have now publicly acknowledged that she said it."
Seems the Democrats more recent history has been of anti-semitism.
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Cowboysfan8
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
You’re trying to drag me into some debate that I have no interest in.
Go back about a page.
Just about any time the issue of the GOP/Trump comes up, SC brings up the racist past of the Democrats. His point is that the Dems were once the party of slavery and segregation so they must still be racist.
Thats it.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
BTW...
The book you’re talking about came out in 2000 not “today”.
If you’re just going to cut and paste after doing some Googling to back up a point you might want to be a bit more careful.
And Jerry Oppenheimer is one of those “unauthorized biographies” authors.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
nobody ever said that
what has been said, is that historically, like ever since this nation was founded, Democrats are the party of racism, its who they have been
now, the very party that for 200 years has been racist is convincing people that the other party that has historically NOT been racist, is racist
when Trump shows me racism I'll call it what it is like I do with anyone anytime. He's rude, crude, an ##### ... he calls things what they are .. . he's not racist IMO
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
The Democratic Party wasn’t founded until 1828 so not “like ever since this nation was founded”.
Lets take a look at the GOP’s history.
Crédit Mobilier...Lincoln/Grant
Black Friday Gold Panic....Grant
Whiskey Ring...Grant
Teapot Dome....Harding
Watergate....Nixon
Iran-Contra....Reagan
But I would never say “historically, the Republican Party is the party of scandal and corruption”. Why? Because I have a basic grasp of history.
It is quite a legitimate point since in this echo chamber it is oblivious to the fact that their own sides sucks too. A bunch of self-righteous condemnation of one-side with zero fair-mindedness in looking at the whole picture. It is quite easy to just look at the worst of the other side and only smell the roses on your side. We need to look at the whole picture with balance and understanding. Otherwise we will just keep getting more divided and the discussions will get uglier.
Leroy Hoard
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Well they can't all be Lincoln.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
But again, somebody can do good and bad things. Some things aren’t obvious - for example, I think you are a really good poster and you and I frequently agree on a lot of things. Somebody else could come in and say you are a bad guy because you have a Washington Redskins helmet in your avatar and “Skins” in your alias.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
And to be clear - that is no defense of Reagan’s comments. They are horrible but need to be viewed through the prism of the time the were said.
Insomniac
Footballguy
One of those Democrats was a guy named Strom Thurmond. In response to a pro civil rights position taken in the 1948 Democratic convention he ran as a 3rd party candidate for the Dixiecrats in the Presidential election that year. He actually carried some Southern states but then returned to the Senate as a Democrat. In 1964 LBJ (of all people) was able to put together enough votes to pass the Civil Rights Act despite the opposition of Southern conservative Democrats and Goldwater Republicans. Strom Thurmond quit the Democratitic party immediately after that and becme a Republican because he realized that they were more in tune with his racist beliefs than the (Northern) Democrats were.jon_mx said:
Strom Thurmond remained very popular with his GOP colleages to the end of his life despite being every bit the outright racist he was in 1948 and 1964 every day of his life. The Strom Thurmond type disappeared from the Democratic party over the last 50 years. The people that share his belliefs are now members of the GOP but they follow the rule of using code words and dog whistles to give themselves plausible deniability of their racist attitudes. They're not fooling anyone but cultural convention says everyone must accept it.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think about this a lot.
Always true of historical figures--but it was horribly racist at the time as well. There's a reason he said this in a private phone conversation with a like-minded person and not where it could be publically attributed to him at the time.
msommer
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
I must have missed that episode of "All In The Family" where Archie calls Africans "monkeys" and everyone laughs.
AAABatteries
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AAABatteries
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