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I really enjoyed it and could have watched another 3 hours of it.  I liked the pacing. 

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1 hour ago, Arizona Ron said:

I really enjoyed it and could have watched another 3 hours of it.  I liked the pacing. 

Totally agree. I was tired AF and put this on because I read that it was long and slow (giggle). I figured I would fall asleep and catch it the following evening. I made it all the way through easily. 

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3 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

Totally agree. I was tired AF and put this on because I read that it was long and slow (giggle). I figured I would fall asleep and catch it the following evening. I made it all the way through easily. 

Yeah, I told my wife how long it was (Giggity) and we both expected to have to finish it the next night. I was surprised when I saw it was close to ending.

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On 12/4/2019 at 12:48 PM, Ilov80s said:

The “it’s too long crowd” should start editing movies, obviously Thelma Schoonmaker doesn’t know what she’s doing. 

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No movie is too long. If it sucks, I'm out in 10 minutes. If it's great, I want to watch it for four hours.

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On 12/1/2019 at 9:39 PM, Apple Jack said:

Paquin was great as usual and I thought that was handled perfectly. There had to be more than a few of those kids who were disgusted by their fathers.

What did she do that was great?  She was essentially a non factor here.  Not sure what she cost but they didn't need her, probably could have saved some change there.

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It was entertaining, definitely too long but I watched it in two installments and that was fine.  

I didn't notice the CGI really, it wasn't a big deal to me.  I don't think I would have casted it this way though, the way they did the Godfather with older and younger actors works just fine.

Pesci was great although subdued and man he got old in a hurry.  

Thought Pacino was great as well.  

I'd say 4 out of 5 stars.

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Pretty good movie, and while it could have used some editing, I didn't think it was too long.  That said, I found it a little meh for two reasons:

1.  We've seen this movie before.  In fact, we've seen this movie lots of times.  This had a very strong feel of "let's get the band back together" all the way through, I could never set that vibe aside.

2.  It's basically a movie about old men played by old men.  Nothing wrong with that of course, but it's extremely depressing to see guys like DeNiro, Pacino, and Pesci hit the twilight of the careers, with seemingly nobody on deck to replace them.  At one point I thought Ed Norton would have been headlining the next generation of great actors, but he fell off the face of the planet.  

In other words, it's a solid film but my enjoyment was lessened by two second-order concerns.

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On 12/7/2019 at 6:45 AM, Jefferson the Caregiver said:

It was entertaining, definitely too long but I watched it in two installments and that was fine.  

I didn't notice the CGI really, it wasn't a big deal to me.  I don't think I would have casted it this way though, the way they did the Godfather with older and younger actors works just fine.

Pesci was great although subdued and man he got old in a hurry.  

Thought Pacino was great as well.  

I'd say 4 out of 5 stars.

I would have preferred some young casting as well. Godfather 2 we had Brando and young Deniro playing the same guy. Would have been nice to give a younger actor a shot to make a bigger name for themselves. 

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Just signed a deal w Amanutflix to write Grumpy Ol' Gangsters for some pension-age Italian director to helm. What other cineMafiosi characters/actors should i write in?

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2 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Nothing wrong with that of course, but it's extremely depressing to see guys like DeNiro, Pacino, and Pesci hit the twilight of the careers, with seemingly nobody on deck to replace them.  At one point I thought Ed Norton would have been headlining the next generation of great actors, but he fell off the face of the planet. 

I don't agree that there isn't a current generation of great actors:  Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Brad Pitt, Leo Dicaprio just to name a few that are still in prime

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20 minutes ago, Jefferson the Caregiver said:

I don't agree that there isn't a current generation of great actors:  Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Brad Pitt, Leo Dicaprio just to name a few that are still in prime

Matt Damon, Daniel Day Lewis (doubt he stays retired), Denzel, Downey Jr, Gyllenhall, Gosling and Phoenix

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1 hour ago, wikkidpissah said:

Just signed a deal w Amanutflix to write Grumpy Ol' Gangsters for some pension-age Italian director to helm. What other cineMafiosi characters/actors should i write in?

Don't forget Uncle Jun seeing his court sketch on TV, "You call that a  likeness?"

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Watch the Irishman over a couple viewings.

It was ok. Felt like it lacked a little intensity and to be honest I didn't think it was that clear of a story. Felt like a lot of little details were confusing. It could just be me

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Man I loved this movie. If any movie deserved 3 1/2 hours this was it. Brilliant acting. Did an hour and a half, dinner break, then finished. All of the rumored Mafia history stuff hit head on. Awesome 

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Still haven't finished watching it.  I might some day.  But I might not.  I'm ok with either.

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Couple of things:

1) Save for Goodfellas, this is Scorcese’s best...

2) The pacing of the movie was commiserate with the experience of each of the primary players.  Whereas the pace of Goodfellas is meant to be frenetic, this was meant to be relaxed...more deliberate.  Hence...I think scenes that could have been 60 seconds, are 90-120 seconds for a reason.

3) This movie doesn’t work without DeNiro/Pesci...that’s how important they are.  It’s why the CGI was absolutely necessary.

4) There is so much to glean from it upon each viewing.

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I enjoyed it very much.  The middle third was outstanding.  It did drag on a bit toward the end, but not so much that it spoiled anything.

Perhaps I enjoyed it more than others because I had no idea what the story was about.  I knew it was Scorcese and DeNiro, but i didn't know any of the back story.  I knew what happened with Hoffa, but had no idea that was the central story here, so the film had a lot of tension for me.  

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On 12/21/2019 at 1:15 AM, OrtonToOlsen said:

I’ll tell you one thing

Nobody plays a dude that breathes heavy and a lot better than De Niro.  

James Gandolfini was pretty darn good at it.

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6 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Yeah, it’s a pretty close race.  

I remember the bigger "Tony" got, the heavier his breathing got.

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12 minutes ago, simey said:

James Gandolfini was pretty darn good at it.

The best eater in the history of acting. The way he ate was hypnotic.

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1 minute ago, Ilov80s said:

The best eater in the history of acting. The way he ate was hypnotic.

INTERIOR SOPRANO KITCHEN

DAY

Tony enters in bathrobe and boxers. Opens fridge. Takes out butcher paper package. Shoves capicola in his mouth.

Tony: Mmm hmmm mmm (breathes heavily)

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1 minute ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

INTERIOR SOPRANO KITCHEN

DAY

Tony enters in bathrobe and boxers. Opens fridge. Takes out butcher paper package. Shoves capicola in his mouth.

Tony: Mmm hmmm mmm (breathes heavily)

Hands waving, mumbling something about the gabagool

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9 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

The best eater in the history of acting. The way he ate was hypnotic.

Sean Connery can chew like nobody’s business as well.

Highlights: “Finding Forrester” And “Hunt for Red October”.  

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13 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

The best eater in the history of acting. The way he ate was hypnotic.

Bobby Canavale is a pretty good steak eater...

 

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Just got around to watching this (knew I'd need to start it early in the afternoon to make sure i got through it).

I'm too young to know too much about the events of the film, (Going in, all I knew about Hoffa is that he was a union leader that the mob probably killed and I grew up on the story that he was allegedly buried at the Meadowlands)  so the story was very interesting to me. Other than some of the physical stuff with DeNiro (the grocery store, the gun throwing, the various shootings. All that was absolutely laughable) i thought it was brilliantly acted.  But the physical stuff was REALLY bad. I thought the CGI was good for the most part.

I absolutely think it was too long and some stuff should have been cut.

Scorcese is obviously a genius and there were too many amazing actors (and decent to good actors in smaller parts) here not to come out with a good movie.  But I dont think this is some great masterpiece. I'd give it a 7/10.  I liked it and I'm glad I watched it but I'll almost certainly never watch it again.  I think they accomplished exactly what they wanted to do. If you're looking for big "wow" moments like The Departed, Casino and Goodfellas, you're going to be disappointed. But you can't knock if for that, as that's clearly not at all what they were going for.

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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but there is a conversation regarding the movie with the 3 main actors + Martin on Netflix. It's only about 20 minutes but if you really liked the flick probably worth watching imo. 

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Rewatching now, twice as good the 2nd time around

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No schtick: it should be a little longer to go a bit more into his family life, her dauhgter goes from baptized to 10 years old in about 10 minutes

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If I said it once, I said it a thousand times, I don’t care they’re Irish. I don’t care they’re Catholic. If there’s one person you can’t trust in this life, it’s millionaires kids.

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The movie was underwhelming.  I might not have given it a fair chance because I started too late in the evening and fell asleep about half way through.  Tried to watch it from that point the next night and fell asleep again.  Might go back and try to rewatch but might not.  I don't like long meandering movies where some scenes seem completely out of place and unnecessary to the story line, and this one had way too much of that stuff.  Could have been a much shorter movie.  

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This movie deserved a soundtrack as good as Goodfellas had.

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1 hour ago, joffer said:

This movie deserved a soundtrack as good as Goodfellas had.

It was a little odd how little popular music the film has when looking at how Scorsese typically will score these movies. I am curious what his thought process was on that. 

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2 hours ago, joffer said:

This movie deserved a soundtrack as good as Goodfellas had.

I posted shortly after I watched it that I thought it was very good - not great.

Completely agree with Joffer - didn’t think the soundtrack enhanced things at all.  My other minor complaints echo what some others have said - needed a little tighter editing, especially the final third.  The physical scenes with DeNiro were too noticeable to ignore.

I want to give it another watch.

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Just watched it.  I liked it allot.  Ending stalled a little but overall I don't think I would have cut anything out

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Reading Milan Kundera and I think he really nailed the message of The Irishman in his 1967 book, The Joke. 


“…most people willingly deceive themselves with a doubly false faith; they believe in eternal memory (Of men, things, deeds, peoples) and in rectification (of deed, errors, sins, injustice). Both are sham. The truth lies at the opposite end of the scale: everything will be forgotten and nothing will be rectified. All rectification (both vengeance and forgiveness) will be taken over by oblivion. No one will rectify wrongs; all wrongs will be forgotten.”

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3 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Reading Milan Kundera and I think he really nailed the message of The Irishman in his 1967 book, The Joke. 


“…most people willingly deceive themselves with a doubly false faith; they believe in eternal memory (Of men, things, deeds, peoples) and in rectification (of deed, errors, sins, injustice). Both are sham. The truth lies at the opposite end of the scale: everything will be forgotten and nothing will be rectified. All rectification (both vengeance and forgiveness) will be taken over by oblivion. No one will rectify wrongs; all wrongs will be forgotten.”

That, of course, assumes no God. That's just a restatement of Nietzsche and the existentialists.

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3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Reading Milan Kundera and I think he really nailed the message of The Irishman in his 1967 book, The Joke. 


“…most people willingly deceive themselves with a doubly false faith; they believe in eternal memory (Of men, things, deeds, peoples) and in rectification (of deed, errors, sins, injustice). Both are sham. The truth lies at the opposite end of the scale: everything will be forgotten and nothing will be rectified. All rectification (both vengeance and forgiveness) will be taken over by oblivion. No one will rectify wrongs; all wrongs will be forgotten.”

Nihilists! #### me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

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Good (not great) film. 

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5 hours ago, rockaction said:

That, of course, assumes no God. That's just a restatement of Nietzsche and the existentialists.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s the best summary of the theme of the film. 

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3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s the best summary of the theme of the film. 

Sure. I figured that. I was quibbling with the author's take that there will certainly be no punishment for certain for the players involved.

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13 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Sure. I figured that. I was quibbling with the author's take that there will certainly be no punishment for certain for the players involved.

That’s the great mystery I suppose 

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