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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)
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NotSmart
Footballguy
Not surprising based on IRL comments and some opinions here that a few restaurants would do that.
It's kind of mandatory for success that national and state level emergency health proclamations are followed.
Still going on Thursday AM if they don't cancel on me. Would like to get some blood work in before everything shuts down.
NotSmart
Footballguy
No way would I go unless I really needed to.
They will already be busier than usual and can reuse that time for someone that is potentially sick.
Also you'd be walking into a petri dish.
Doug B
Footballguy
Future headline:
PHILIP RIVERS BUYS BOTH MICROSOFT AND AMAZON ON RECORD-BREAKING DAY
Pays cash for both megacorps. Hires Gates as chauffeur, Bezos as pool boy
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
I don't want to chance it. I have a few docs. Since I have a port that must be flushed and I'm not feeling swell, I kept my labs/port flush appt at the infusion center and pcp for next week. I need her to take over writing rxs for my oncologist who quit. All else is canned.
Doug B
Footballguy
Similar experience in the New Orleans CBD today, except my walk was only about 1/2 mile round trip. Way fewer walkers than usual, and people were actually going out of their way to avoid walking near others (including me).
First two masks worn in public I've seen in New Orleans, too, though one was worn by somebody on the job (building security at a nearby office building). Wearing masks out is a BIG social hurdle locally ... but I can see the switch being flipped once critical mass is achieved.
NotSmart
Footballguy
Agreed on the social hurdle.
I also think most people that have them have probably have a small number of masks, so best to save them for when you may really need them.
Herb
Footballguy
Whoa. Not to PSF this, but I voted for Jesse Ventura (I assume that is who you're talking about) and I'd do it again happily. He was an excellent governor, IMO. Not beholden to the parties.
The overall point of your post is spot on, though.
mr roboto
Footballguy
It’s a national franchise company with a 90 US locations and corporate is putting together some at home recommendations. We can’t just release body weight exercises and things because some of our clients have limited range of motion or other physical limitations where we don’t want to encourage them to do things that you could probably recommend to a younger more healthy person.
I know you don't mean ill will and I know you're a good poster. Please help the board. Thank you.
My walk today wasn't quite that different than normal but definitely less cars. A few people doing what I did though and getting outside.
https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/1239972373647872005?s=20
Also, not that I ever had any doubt my people are old dorks, the fact I had as much laughing at the had confirmed it. All good. Crocs and Cargo shorts next time I guess.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Belgian Doctor says lung scans for young patients were terrifying
A Belgian doctor working to battle the coronavirus says he’s treated several seriously ill young patients — and their lung scans were “nothing short of terrifying,” according to reports.
Dr. Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said an increasing number of people between the ages of 30 and 50 have presented with severe symptoms, despite having “blank medical records” which show no underlying conditions that would make them high risk, the Brussels Times reported.
“The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying,” the doctor told the station.
“They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure,” Demeyer added.
A Belgian doctor working to battle the coronavirus says he’s treated several seriously ill young patients — and their lung scans were “nothing short of terrifying,” according to reports.
Dr. Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said an increasing number of people between the ages of 30 and 50 have presented with severe symptoms, despite having “blank medical records” which show no underlying conditions that would make them high risk, the Brussels Times reported.
“The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying,” the doctor told the station.
“They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure,” Demeyer added.
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msommer
Footballguy
ChainsawU
Footballguy
Please interview her and report back as to why. What is this phenomenon and why. Please, someone.
Are the talks on all of this involve income limits? Meaning if you make over a certain amount, nothing for you?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
The #1 thing we all need to do to beat this is give up our freedom until we beat it. The percentage of people not willing to do that will determine our degree of failure. There is zero chance that percentage will get anywhere near China, as people in China didn't have to give up any freedom at all to fight it.
I'm not sure why you find my post offensive at all. It's simply numerical fact.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Zanotto's Market not only has the early am senior only hour, but you can see if what you're looking for is in stock before going in.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/zanottos-market-offers-san-jose-seniors-exclusive-shopping-time-during-coronavirus-sheltering/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/zanottos-market-offers-san-jose-seniors-exclusive-shopping-time-during-coronavirus-sheltering/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Statorama
gangster
In my time in Louisiana (pre-Katrina), this was the mindset of the "ride-out the Hurricane" crowd
mr roboto
Footballguy
Thanks for thinking about us. We offer personal training but don’t really have any online sales.
Honestly the response we’ve had from our clients is that they are willing to keep their monthly memberships running for the most part to allow us to continue to pay the trainers. Not sure how long that will last and honestly we might be better off cutting them so that they can get ahead of the line for unemployment if this thing goes months and months these are difficult decisions to me
Not offensive at all. I'm saying I think you're smart and you can tons more to help the board than we can't do what China did and beat this with the sarcastic 'murica.
Thank you.
Doug B
Footballguy
Something getting kicked around on another board is the idea of putting multiple patients on one ventilator in dire circumstances (someone heard from "a friend in the medical field" that this was on the table for COVID patients). I was curious and did a quick bit of Googling to see what was written about this. Reminder: what follows is just what I found in two minutes, not an exhaustive search.
Splitting ventilators to provide titrated support to a large group of patients (PulmCrit blog, 3/15/2020. Link to blogger's credentials and caveats regarding content.)
The blog is dense -- I haven't read through it thoroughly and don't know all the terminology. The author presents many caveats and does not sell it as a cakewalk or something without significant risk. However, he does attempt a way to "map out" balanced use of five ventilators to treat 20 patients (scroll down about halfway down page to the sections titled "Bigger picture: Five ventilators to provide personalized settings to 20 patients" and "Evidence?")
One of the commenters to that blog posted an account of the immediate intake of the mass casualties of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting (Emergency Physicians Monthly, 11/3/2017). An excerpt:
Splitting ventilators to provide titrated support to a large group of patients (PulmCrit blog, 3/15/2020. Link to blogger's credentials and caveats regarding content.)
The blog is dense -- I haven't read through it thoroughly and don't know all the terminology. The author presents many caveats and does not sell it as a cakewalk or something without significant risk. However, he does attempt a way to "map out" balanced use of five ventilators to treat 20 patients (scroll down about halfway down page to the sections titled "Bigger picture: Five ventilators to provide personalized settings to 20 patients" and "Evidence?")
One of the commenters to that blog posted an account of the immediate intake of the mass casualties of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting (Emergency Physicians Monthly, 11/3/2017). An excerpt:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
So I have been seeing articles from "experts" warning people not to make their own hand sanitizer. When I read them they say how common it is to mess up and end up with a product with a % below 60% alcohol. I kind of laughed at the thought because it seemed almost impossible to mess up.
Well there we go. A video that if followed will probably be wrong just as often as it is right. If you start with 91% isopropyl(common % sold) and you first put in essential oils, then eyeball the container to 2/3 full and top with aloe you have to basically eyeball exactly at 2/3 to get 60% alcohol.
5 drops is a bit ambiguous, but depending on drop size you could actually eyeball exactly 2/3 and you would still be below.
Doug B
Footballguy
Brony
Footballguy
can we get this added to the first post in this thread?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-J_vry7rclLIGooJ-Cu7OFH8rRRjB51lz1iGkwcTETc/edit#gid=0
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I know these are stressful times but Spock’s point seemed legit and not offensive. It is America that expects total freedom and we will not have the compliance to the new rules or guidelines that a suppressed nation will.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I usually favor Tylenol over NSAIDS like ibuprofen because there are more potential side effects/harm from the latter - chiefly gastrointestinal bleeding and kidney damage. That being said, I don't think the Health Minister's statement has been validated, and is at best a theoretical concern.
Feel free to ignore.
With the shortage in the store, I offered a solution that can work for people. Err on the side of more alcohol
Osaurus
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
My intent in using "'Murica" was referencing those who will never give up any American freedom for any reason. And the percentage of those we have in this country will determine how far less effective we are at fighting this than China.
Given they will be, or even are, the source of what degree our failure will be, they need to hear more than just sarcasm. They will be directly responsible for more deaths than needed to happen. They need to be slapped upside the face and told to snap out of it. This is not the time for tolerance towards those who are causing greater degree of deaths. With all due respect to you, and Koya, your "we understand" approach to these people enable them cause more deaths in this country than needs to happen. Again, with all due respect to you, please stop protecting them.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
I chose to patronize a family of 10 small farm business who is on shutdown. Been using their products for years. High quality and long lasting.
Goatmilkstuff.com
the moops
Footballguy
Had to run out to my work to grab some stuff to WFH for as much as possible over the next few weeks. Also needed to go to my kids school to get his ipad and packets of homework. While I was out, thought I would stop by Home Depot and Costco Business Center.
Hone Depot was a litte slower than usual, but still a bunch of people. Saw some workers hamming it up and pushing and touching each other. Made me want to get out of there ASAP. But, picked up some lumber and drywall for a basement project. Used self checkout line.
If anyone has a Business Center Costco, it is likely a better bet than the big one. Plenty of foods and cleaning supplies. Were limiting wipes to one giant box. Didn't check on TP. Bought some fish and veggies and snacks.
Felt weird to be out and about. Could kind of sense similar feelings in others. In some, got the sense that they didn't think much of this and were just kinda wondering why it seemed more crowded than usual
Hone Depot was a litte slower than usual, but still a bunch of people. Saw some workers hamming it up and pushing and touching each other. Made me want to get out of there ASAP. But, picked up some lumber and drywall for a basement project. Used self checkout line.
If anyone has a Business Center Costco, it is likely a better bet than the big one. Plenty of foods and cleaning supplies. Were limiting wipes to one giant box. Didn't check on TP. Bought some fish and veggies and snacks.
Felt weird to be out and about. Could kind of sense similar feelings in others. In some, got the sense that they didn't think much of this and were just kinda wondering why it seemed more crowded than usual
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I am not saying to ignore, at least not completely and I am definitely not saying for people not to make their own. I posted already in here about my search for hand sanitizer and then for rubbing alcohol to make my own, and then ultimately how I made my own. The criticism isn't of you, but it doesn't hurt to point out that is a bad recipe and shouldn't just be followed as is.Feel free to ignore.
With the shortage in the store, I offered a solution that can work for people. Err on the side of more alcohol
nirad3
Footballguy
I'm certainly staying calm, despite being diagnosed with fairly high anxiety (or the potential for it).
I'm just worried about 2-3 weeks from now when things are potentially worse and I haven't had any outlets to alleviate the pressure, so to speak.
No sports sucks. Lockdown sucks. Impending doom sucks more. Just need to find a middle ground.
Sorry for rambling, just need to type stuff out sometimes.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Still haven't been able to find one. They're like rolls of toilet paper around these parts.
joffer
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
When I made my own, I used an empty 12-oz witch hazel bottle to mix the "mother" batch. The bottle has marks on the side for every three ounces. While I have posted using 7 parts 91% isopropyl to 3 parts gel to yield a ~63% alcohol sanitizer ... that's a slight oversimplification. What I actually did was mix ~9 oz of the 91% with ~3 oz of gel to yield a ~68% alcohol sanitizer.
But I were making a larger batch, like in a gallon jug or something, I would go with the 7 parts / 3 parts measurements.
Osaurus
Footballguy
It’s all good. Fresh air can help. I find walking my dog to be therapeutic after being inside all day.
ETA: keeping your distance from others obviously
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PIK95
Footballguy
That chest freezer I order a couple of weeks ago is full of meat and ice cream. I got 20lbs of Coffee, propane, and all kinds of supplies and entertainment. I buttoned up all my work and responsibilities until fall. I won't leave my house for weeks probably.
Doug B
Footballguy
Oof to me. I had thought that acetaminophen was by far the more physiologically-risky drug of the two. I have taken ibuprofen for many years (and my therapeutic dose is 600-800 mg) for normal headaches, body aches, etc. Not every day, maybe an average of twice a week over time.
Clown Car
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Exhibit A of another one who simply can't help himself in terms introducing politics to this.BigSteelThrill said:
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
NSAIDS usually aren't a problem for the liver...they can rarely cause damage, but only if you take a lot, typically in combination with other hepatotoxins (alcohol). They're much more likely to ding your kidneys and gastrointestinal tract.
Tylenol can cause liver failure, but requires huge doses, usually > 6g/day.
If you are young and otherwise healthy, both are fine if taken at the recommended dosage. If you are elderly with common medical problems (like high BP or diabetes), I'd pick Tylenol 9 times out of 10. Avoid both if you have liver disease or drink excessively.
As far as harming the immune response to COVID, I think that is purely theoretical.
nirad3
Footballguy
I am in a private office at my work, a good 15-20 feet from anyone. Only interaction I really have is with my assistant who comes to the doorway of my office maybe 2-3 times a day.
I'm still going out to eat (probably not smart). Hoping that my favorite local BBQ joint is open for more than just take-out. I'd love to sit at their bar (only like 6 seats) for a couple of beers this or next weekend. Not sure that's gonna fly.
I do need to get outside more. Will likely take the kids for a walk this weekend. The wife is getting them outside a couple times a day.
