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That ship is a point in time in given set of conditions. Bluntly: I don't think knowing the mortality rate on that ship very much informs on-the-ground decisions made by medical staff anywhere. If you agree with that, we're on the same page.
I personally never believed a thing that came out of China. Perhaps I was wrong in that, perhaps not. For me, this will show us if the numbers they gave are anywhere close to the truth or not.
This is true. Push comes to shove, though ... I don't think China collectively decides to hoard all its manufacturing products just to ensure that foreign (to them) ventilator manufacturers can't ramp up production. Business is still being done.
Why would you believe China built 20 hospitals?Why would you believe China built 20 hospitals?
They do if you are sick and want to reduce the chance of you spreading illness to others. The flu is bad this year. 8-10 people being sick in a airport isn't out of the question. Doesn't have to mean they are wigging out.
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No doubt.
Multiple potential explanations (from most to least likely, IMO):
Yeah, the ramp up could be problematic. Say the powers that be realize a need for 100,000 ventilators (or 10,000, I have no clue as to magnitude etc). They contact the manufacturers who sell them everything in stock and back order the rest. How long time would it take for the orders to move down the supply chain, to be scheduled, produced, shipped, assembled, shipped again and installed in the hospitals? How long before there were sufficient trained staff (at whatever level required) monitoring them, until procedures were in place so front line staff could take immediate action without needing signoff by doctors et al ( for fear of malpractice suits)? If any parts come from overseas I'd say you can forget about more ventilators not already produced in use this flu season
Kids still get sick. And more importantly, they have terrible hygiene and readily spread anything they contract.
We've been around this ferris wheel several times in here.
I don't know, I'm trying to set the mood, quit throwing shade GB
being in an airport is still substantially lower risk of exposure vs healthcare worker.
Any parts? I respectfully disagree. I can see the supply chain somewhere being limited and the chain needing to be rerouted, somehow. If China decides to play those kinds of games, the West has no choice but to establish alternate supply chains for critical goods elsewhere. Yeah, that can't happen on a dime, but it can happen -- and it would cost China a lot of manufacturing business.
Absolutely. It's still high enough that I'm not rolling those dice. Just because it doesn't reduce risk to 0 doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
I saw them circulate a few weeks ago on Twitter, thought HOLY ####, then wondered if what was being depicted actually something virus-related. Pretty much question everything these days.I don't know, I'm trying to set the mood, quit throwing shade GB
Seriously, I've seen enough that some of them have to be true given what we know about China and how they crack down on the populace. We won't respond in any way shape or form like the China has. Too many politically correct will get offended and with the speed this thing moves, it will be well past too late by then.
Reading that case, there is nothing requiring critical care, and the patient was likely going to do just as well at home as in the hospital. It actually reinforces the fact that young, healthy people should be ok.
I think we all agree that if someone at the airport coughs in your face while you are taking their vitals a mask is going to help.
I have been finding that the more you dig into the "Bad News!" stuff, the less it holds up. And a lot of stuff is just flat out misunderstood, crafted into talking points, and disbursed freely on gotta-keep-you-listening! media.
i feel bad for that dude who gave me a hernia check at in the bathroom at O'hare, i coughed right in his face
Unless numbers are falsified ... SE Asia has been kicking this thing's butt.
People disagree with you on needs/want for masks. Think it is up to personal preference on these things. I will say Asian culture is much more into masks.
There are absolutely young healthy people needing critical care or dying. That said it's FAR less likely than elderly/unhealthy people.
Quite possible this is true. And of course the economy. If it tanks, that’s going to affect everyone regardless of whether a family actually gets the virus or not.
In other news the USA crossed the threshold in 2020 where 40% of Americans are now considered obese. Morbidly obese stayed more or less unchanged at 8%. (In the 40% number). USA USA USA
Careful, this comment will get you flamed by someone that says you only care about your portfolio and are not thinking enough about the children.
Depends on where you’re getting the bad news. If you’re on Infowars, yes. A random twitter account, yes.
You didn't quote the explanation which had nothing to do with China playing games but instead how manufacturing works
These distinctions are dumb. I'm classified as on the borderline of Overweight and Obese. And I look good. In the aughts, when I was having fun with drugs, I got down to 10 over my ideal weight and I looked like a crackhead.
Monday morning I converted all my 401k to bond fund and money market. That move was good for my children!
This. What I'm worried about is when they start closing schools, cancelling events people are going to flip the #### out and make a run on stores.
OK, I follow you. Well ... again, you're asking any entity that can help to pitch in what they can. If a given factory that puts out 15 ventilators a week says that they can't double production (and gives good reasons) ... ask them if they can do 20/wk. Or even 16.
