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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)
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the moops
Footballguy
Look at how many ICU beds AZ has, and then tell me whether you think one is no big dealHEADLINE: Daily Coronavirus Cases Up 300%!
HEADLINE: .5% of AZ Population Has Coronavirus
One is scary. One is no big deal.
On the Fauci/mask issue I’m conflicted. I think they should have come out with a recommendation for any face covering like they eventually did.
I initially was with them when they said masks weren’t needed unless you were showing symptoms but always assumed that it was protect the mask supply. There came a point when I realized that masks were needed. The problem was there were no masks to be found.
We had a box of about a dozen surgical for 4 employees. Even reusing them, they weren’t going to stretch very far. I made the choice not to use them until our company could provide us with enough to consistently wear them. I also started searching all over to find some in case they never did. What I found took nearly a month to come in and by the time they came in they started to provide us with masks and the face covering recommendation had come out.
I have no doubt that if I had started wearing the mask before that, it would have caused a lot of customers to be concerned that they didn’t have one and had no way to get one. That was at the point where they were saying anything less than an N-95 didn’t protect you. I was also hearing from friends who work in hospitals that PPE theft was already bad.
Looking back, as a health professional, I should have been wearing a mask and setting an example even though supplies were thin and may cause panic in some. It could have been avoided if they had recommended any face covering from the start. Or had a stockpile of PPE. Or forced manufacturers to make masks.
I initially was with them when they said masks weren’t needed unless you were showing symptoms but always assumed that it was protect the mask supply. There came a point when I realized that masks were needed. The problem was there were no masks to be found.
We had a box of about a dozen surgical for 4 employees. Even reusing them, they weren’t going to stretch very far. I made the choice not to use them until our company could provide us with enough to consistently wear them. I also started searching all over to find some in case they never did. What I found took nearly a month to come in and by the time they came in they started to provide us with masks and the face covering recommendation had come out.
I have no doubt that if I had started wearing the mask before that, it would have caused a lot of customers to be concerned that they didn’t have one and had no way to get one. That was at the point where they were saying anything less than an N-95 didn’t protect you. I was also hearing from friends who work in hospitals that PPE theft was already bad.
Looking back, as a health professional, I should have been wearing a mask and setting an example even though supplies were thin and may cause panic in some. It could have been avoided if they had recommended any face covering from the start. Or had a stockpile of PPE. Or forced manufacturers to make masks.
jplvr
Footballguy
CDC said masks didn't help. I was doing a little prep earlier than most and laughed off people buying masks, mostly because of the CDC. Pretty sure the WHO was on board with this too in some fashion because my Taiwanese friend was complaining about something regarding the WHO and it being airborne, all the while he was pointing out to me masks help. I'm positive about the CDC, and more iffy about my WHO claim here.
Here's an article from March 31st discussing the CDC reversing guidelines. I don't agree with some of their wording about what stance the CDC was walking back, but I didn't want to go bothering through google on my own time to find anything earlier.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824560471/should-we-all-be-wearing-masks-in-public-health-experts-revisit-the-question
beer 30
Footballguy
In his defense, he's been swimming against the current for much of this response.
Just spoke to one of our managers out there, said he got a call for refrigerated trailers today :(
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[scooter]
Footballguy
No. The CDC said that masks were only needed if you are sick or caring for someone who is sick. That's not the same thing as saying that masks "didn't help".
(In fact, it implies exactly the opposite. If the CDC really believed that masks didn't help, then it would not have included the suggestion to wear masks if you are sick.)
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I also used total cases ignoring recoveries. 1,188 total deaths in AZ. Roughly .16% of the population there. Yes, I think the sensationalist media could change their narrative some.
But, I keep reading how things are just going to EXPLODE!!!!!1111!!! Been reading it in here for months. I wish everyone wore masks and distanced when they went out too. But, not that many people are actually sick so they're going out and living their lives.
jplvr
Footballguy
Ugh, just stop. The discussion is about people wearing masks in the general population, right? There's no need to pick nits over PPE in hospital settings.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0212-cdc-telebriefing-transcript.html
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CR69
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
Again, that's not the same as saying that masks don't help. In fact, that transcript has an even stronger endorsement for mask usage than what they officially published in their guidelines at the time.
If you want to argue that the CDC should have done more to promote mask usage, I agree with you. Just don't claim that the government said "masks don't help", because A) they never said that, and B) their own guidelines contradict that claim.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
No thanks. This topic was discussed extensively in this thread, and I'm not interested in getting gaslit on the issue.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Feels like you're reading things into Fauci's quote that aren't there, but whatever.
skol asylum
Footballguy
skol asylum
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jplvr
Footballguy
Up to 142 Covid-19 positive inpatients today in Jackson Health System. That's a 40% increase in 5 days. The peak was in the 150-160 range over the last week of April and first 2 weeks in May.
The hospital ICU capacity in the Miami area was more than adequate in the first wave. Hopefully, this second wave will stop growing soon. But a 9% positive rate is worrisome.
beer 30
Footballguy
Feels like you're
Feels like you're reading things into Fauci's quote that aren't there, but whatever.
for the sake of but whatever.Sounds like Brit's have a study that shows a common drug drastically reduces fatality rate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
This would be a game changer, but it doesn’t look like it would change hospitalization rates. Hard to treat people if the beds are all full.
Eh, tent hospitals could be put up for this. Or we can hire china to build some hospitals in a 2 weeks.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Excuse me Sir, we have to take one last swab before hooking you up to that ventilator.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea, this is nuts. My guess is they oonly test the well connected (a lot of negatives) and people who are gravely ill (most of the positives)
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I stopped with the daily updates as a number of posters were dismissing the 'new cases' stats. But today's numbers again are rather alarming at Covid worldometers. Over 142,000 new cases, with 20 countries reporting over 1,000 new cases. Deaths today spiked up to 6,600 (highest total in five weeks). Of note are Brazil leading with 37,000 new cases and India with over 2,000 deaths (as stated above).
Redwes25
Footballguy
It is going to just keep growing. It will ravage Africa next and already picking up steam here in many places that dodged the first bullet. Depressing numbers all around.
Penguin
Footballguy
And the Middle East is getting hit as well. Iran, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Bangladesh also ramping, that's going to be ugly.
culdeus
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
Dezbelief
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/surgeon_general/status/1233725785283932160?lang=en
U.S. Surgeon General
@Surgeon_General
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus,
TheWinz
Footballguy
According to Worldometer, some states are doing much better than others when it comes to deaths vs positives. Here are the top 10 worst & best states:
1 - Connecticut - 9.28% 50 - Utah - 0.97%
2 - Michigan - 9.11% 49 - South Dakota - 1.29%
3 - New York - 7.64% 48 - Nebraska - 1.36%
4 - Pennsylvania - 7.55% 47 - Arkansas - 1.43%
5 - New Jersey - 7.54% 46 - Tennessee - 1.55%
6 - Massachusetts - 7.24% 45 - Wyoming - 1.65%
7 - Louisiana - 6.39% 44 - Alaska - 1.78%
8 - Ohio - 6.19% 43 - Texas - 2.15%
9 - New Hampshire - 6.08% 42 - Kansas - 2.15%
10 - Indiana - 6.00% 41 - Hawaii - 2.30%
Is the virus more deadly on the east coast versus the rest of the US?
Are some states just doing a bad job protecting their elderly?
Are east coasters out of shape compared to the rest?
Are the higher percentage states testing a larger portion of their elderly/at risk?
I just find it hard to believe you are 10 times more likely to die if infected in CT as you are in UT. The states are pretty similar in amount tested (#'s 9 & 14 overall), so what gives?
1 - Connecticut - 9.28% 50 - Utah - 0.97%
2 - Michigan - 9.11% 49 - South Dakota - 1.29%
3 - New York - 7.64% 48 - Nebraska - 1.36%
4 - Pennsylvania - 7.55% 47 - Arkansas - 1.43%
5 - New Jersey - 7.54% 46 - Tennessee - 1.55%
6 - Massachusetts - 7.24% 45 - Wyoming - 1.65%
7 - Louisiana - 6.39% 44 - Alaska - 1.78%
8 - Ohio - 6.19% 43 - Texas - 2.15%
9 - New Hampshire - 6.08% 42 - Kansas - 2.15%
10 - Indiana - 6.00% 41 - Hawaii - 2.30%
Is the virus more deadly on the east coast versus the rest of the US?
Are some states just doing a bad job protecting their elderly?
Are east coasters out of shape compared to the rest?
Are the higher percentage states testing a larger portion of their elderly/at risk?
I just find it hard to believe you are 10 times more likely to die if infected in CT as you are in UT. The states are pretty similar in amount tested (#'s 9 & 14 overall), so what gives?
Dezbelief
Footballguy
The protecting the elderly is an interesting possibility. Nursing homes in my Texas town are locked down tight. Some to the point double doors are used like airlocks. You put what you're bringing to a relative between the double doors and the staff won't retrieve it until you're back out on your side of the doors.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
According to this site
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/COVID-19OutbreaksinLong-termCareFacilities.aspx
Texas has
802 nursing home covid deaths
124 assisted living covid deaths
Perhaps differences in the way deaths are reported are responsible?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Haven’t visited this thread in weeks. Find it surreal we’re talking about masks. There’s a debate?Redwes25 said:
TheWinz
Footballguy
Based on current Worldometer numbers, Texas has a total of 2062 deaths. That would put 45% of the Texas deaths in nursing homes & assisted living facilities. I just heard on my local news last night that 63% of Connecticut's deaths are from nursing homes. Now, they didn't say nursing homes plus assisted and/or long term care facilities - they specifically said nursing homes.
TheWinz
Footballguy
You haven't heard the latest? Masks are no longer required inside public buildings, but they are required to enter this thread.Haven’t visited this thread in weeks. Find it surreal we’re talking about masks. There’s a debate?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I’m wearing one now. But no pants. Only need a shirt for the morning Zoom conference call.
gump
Footballguy
Tampa Bay Area health officials warning of re-closures.
Deaths continue to trend down, in line with the numbers on June 4. Hospital bed capacity also stays at a safe level, they said. On June 4, the county was seeing a downward trend of hospitalizations.
During Monday’s meeting, Holt and Wagner said hospital capacity has stayed between 75 to 78 percent. The decrease in deaths may be partially because case numbers slant younger. Over the last 14 days, 50 percent of cases were between the 0 to 34 age group, with a majority in the 25 to 34 group, specifically. Holt also gave credit to hospital staff learning how to treat the illness as another factor in deaths dropping.
Deaths continue to trend down, in line with the numbers on June 4. Hospital bed capacity also stays at a safe level, they said. On June 4, the county was seeing a downward trend of hospitalizations.
During Monday’s meeting, Holt and Wagner said hospital capacity has stayed between 75 to 78 percent. The decrease in deaths may be partially because case numbers slant younger. Over the last 14 days, 50 percent of cases were between the 0 to 34 age group, with a majority in the 25 to 34 group, specifically. Holt also gave credit to hospital staff learning how to treat the illness as another factor in deaths dropping.
The Commish
Footballguy
This has been something that's always bothered me about the "it doesn't affect children all that much" narrative. I don't know how we'd even know that with any sort of confidence given the fact we've basically had our children on lockdown since March. It's probably true that once they get it, it will impact them similar to the flu and I'm not really concerned about my kids from a mortality perspective. The larger concern is opening up this avenue of spread.
