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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (19 Viewers)

beer 30 said:
I agree it's not but given the response to date from leadership, what do you think happens if we do see a major resurgence from the virus as the weather gets cooler and kids come home from college?
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Given the lacklustre performance of your government, not much. Perhaps some governors will step up to the plate again.
As of right now, I think the IHME estimates for deaths need to be adjusted up, and not just a little bit.

 
top dog said:
Welp.. Just got word that one of the girls in our warehouse tested positive. I don't deal with her directly, but after seeing what this did to our sister facility, I'm a little worried. She is a very young girl. Probably like 25. New employee. She was having stomach issues on thur / fri apparently. Got tested at some point and it came back positive. I'm sure she will be fine, but we have some older folks in the warehouse that are definitely higher risk. 

Of course, if we took it seriously, maybe I'd feel better. Management has downplayed this here even though we had that big outbreak in March. 
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Obviously not a doctor but there are reports that having GI issues is a bad sign for young people on disease severity and duration.  How is she doing today?

 
the moops said:
Was at a Lowes the other day trying to find some correct fittings for some stupid plumbing work I am trying to tackle myself.

Some dude starts chatting me up and asking whether PEX is as good as copper and what the difference is. Took me a second to realize that he was wearing no mask. Knew something was off, but just didn't register. Told him politely that the store, and the state of MN requires mask wearing. That only set him off and made him move even closer, yet all he wanted to do was chat about plumbing ####. I told him to #### off and get away from me. He refused. I walked away, found a security member and they escorted the dude right the #### out fo the store
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You should have said "I am old school. I only trust steel pipe. That is what my daddy and grandaddy had. They never had one leak."

 
DUBAI (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates on Monday granted emergency approval for use of a coronavirus vaccine, six weeks after human trials in the Gulf Arab state started.

A phase III trial of a COVID-19 inactivated vaccine developed by Chinese state-owned pharmaceutical company Sinopham began in the UAE in July and is yet to be completed.

“The vaccine will be available to our first line of defense heroes who are at the highest risk of contracting the virus,” said the National Emergency Crisis and Disaster Management Authority in a tweet.

The announcement comes amid a surge in new COVID-19 cases in the UAE, which reported 1,007 cases on Saturday, its highest since the start of the pandemic. There were 777 new cases on Monday.

Emergency use of the vaccine, which is still being tested, was granted after a set criteria and after it had been tested on 31,000 volunteers, it said.

Mild and expected side effects occurred but there have been no severe side effects, the agency said without specifying. It added a thousand people suffering from chronic diseases who took part saw no complications.

Sinopharm secured approval for the trial in late June. The experimental vaccine passed Phases I and II of clinical trials with 100% of volunteers generating antibodies after two doses in 28 days, an Abu Dhabi government statement said in July.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, inactivated vaccines - made with either inactivated (killed) viruses or with a protein from the virus - are well known and have been used against diseases such as influenza and measles.

Russia in August become the first country in the world to grant regulatory approval to a coronavirus vaccine, after less than two months of human testing.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-emirates-vaccine/uae-announces-emergency-approval-for-use-of-covid-19-vaccine-idUSKBN2652OM

Not advocating that we rush things along this fast -- just putting this here because I figure people will be interested in how other countries are approaching vaccine development.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-emirates-vaccine/uae-announces-emergency-approval-for-use-of-covid-19-vaccine-idUSKBN2652OM

Not advocating that we rush things along this fast -- just putting this here because I figure people will be interested in how other countries are approaching vaccine development.
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Count me as someone who'll wait for vaccines that have been properly tested. I'll not try the Russian or Chinese versions any time soon 

 
We've crossed the threshold: the U.S. moves above 200,000 deaths.    :kicksrock:  By month-end, total deaths will roughly exceed WW I, Vietnam, and the Korean Wars combined.  

By week's end, our death rate will pass the U.K.  Along with Bolivia, Brazil, Columbia, and Ecuador, our death rate should pass Spain by month-end ...and Spain is currently #3 (excluding little Andorra and San Marino).

 
tri-man 47 said:
We've crossed the threshold: the U.S. moves above 200,000 deaths.    :kicksrock:  By month-end, total deaths will roughly exceed WW I, Vietnam, and the Korean Wars combined.  

By week's end, our death rate will pass the U.K.  Along with Bolivia, Brazil, Columbia, and Ecuador, our death rate should pass Spain by month-end ...and Spain is currently #3 (excluding little Andorra and San Marino).
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Tomorrow we will reach a new high I'm guessing.  Seems to be doing that everyday.

 
perbach said:
Tomorrow we will reach a new high I'm guessing.  Seems to be doing that everyday.
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Our 7-day average of daily deaths hasn't been as high as the peak through April/May, but it's still staying stubbornly steady.

Worldwide cases had a steady 7-day trend throughout August (~255,000 cases/day), but that trend has increased now in September.  

 
tri-man 47 said:
We've crossed the threshold: the U.S. moves above 200,000 deaths.    :kicksrock:  By month-end, total deaths will roughly exceed WW I, Vietnam, and the Korean Wars combined.  
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These kinds of deaths aren't even remotely comparable and it is nothing but fear mongering to point it out.

This is a disease not a military foe.  The demographics of the deaths are so strikingly different that the only reason to bring this kind of thing up is to make political inferences. 

 
Jayrod said:
These kinds of deaths aren't even remotely comparable and it is nothing but fear mongering to point it out.

This is a disease not a military foe.  The demographics of the deaths are so strikingly different that the only reason to bring this kind of thing up is to make political inferences. 
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Well I hear ya but how many Benghazis does 200k deaths equal? My math says.  .000002 

 
Terminalxylem said:
How maw many deaths are acceptable, in your opinion?
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The lowest net total when all factors are considered.  We arent doing well with that here in the US of A.

The reason for that is our societal structure, system of beliefs, personal decisions, misinformation and leadership across the board.

 
Jayrod said:
How many people died of cancer or regular flu or car crashes during the last few years? Those would be more comparable than any military engagement. 
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I'm not so sure about that false equivalency but it's not the politics forum so we can leave it there. Fair point. 

 
beer 30 said:
This thread is getting stupid again.
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Speaking of stupid.

Masks are required where I work. I'm fine with that. Safety glasses are also required. I don't like and think it's overkill. I'll learn to live with it.

But now!

We've been issued beepers to wear, which beep and vibrate when they are within a certain distance from each other to remind us to maintain proper social distancing.

🤬

 
I get to go back and work in an office again starting October 1st!  Mondays and Thursdays.  Ahhhh.....

Our company is following South Korea's guidelines apparently.  Not a South Korean company.

 
Jayrod said:
These kinds of deaths aren't even remotely comparable and it is nothing but fear mongering to point it out.

This is a disease not a military foe.  The demographics of the deaths are so strikingly different that the only reason to bring this kind of thing up is to make political inferences. 
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No, you're misreading my intent.  Those events - wars - have historical significance in large part due to the tragic loss of life.  The fact that this pandemic has led to such a comparatively large loss of life highlights how serious and tragic this has been.  And maybe we all need to have more fear and respect for this disease.

 
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/coronavirus-cdc-says-us-should-have-enough-vaccine-to-return-to-regular-life-by-third-quarter-of-2021.html

The U.S. should have enough Covid-19 vaccine doses for Americans to return to “regular life” by the third quarter of next year, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told a Senate panel he expects vaccinations to begin in November or December, but in limited quantities with those most in need getting the first doses, such as health-care workers. He said it will take about “six to nine months” to get the entire American public vaccinated.

“If you’re asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we’re probably looking at third ... late second quarter, third quarter 2021,” he told the U.S. Senate Appropriations subcommittee on labor, health and human services, education, and related agencies.
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Jayrod said:
These kinds of deaths aren't even remotely comparable and it is nothing but fear mongering to point it out.

This is a disease not a military foe.  The demographics of the deaths are so strikingly different that the only reason to bring this kind of thing up is to make political inferences. 
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:shrug:

I think it is to just put it into context. Kind of like saying imagine if the entire city of Salt Lake city died. 

 
Jayrod said:
These kinds of deaths aren't even remotely comparable and it is nothing but fear mongering to point it out.

This is a disease not a military foe.  The demographics of the deaths are so strikingly different that the only reason to bring this kind of thing up is to make political inferences. 
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He's not comparing them....sometimes, context is warranted when we have people running around with "it's just the flu" and "no big deal" shtick :shrug:  

 
Don't Toews Me said:
CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told a Senate panel he expects vaccinations to begin in November or December, but in limited quantities with those most in need getting the first doses, such as health-care workers. He said it will take about “six to nine months” to get the entire American public vaccinated.
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Interesting - seeing a lot of discussions now about "fair and equitable" vaccine distribution.  Wonder what they will settle on - probably something steeped in politics and not much in good logic.  Hopefully they at least get health care workers and 80+ years olds go first.  I don't hold out much hope past that what is decided on will make any sense.

I also wonder if these numbers take into account that about half of US folks say they won't get the vaccine.  Personally I'll be getting my COVID passport as soon as I can get it.

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Also, most importantly - is snake an appropriate face covering?

 
parasaurolophus said:
I just learned somebody i know hasnt left her property since march. Wont even go for a walk. 

She is my age. That is insane. 
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Yeah, hearing these stories out of my kid's school where there are kids that are not going to in-person.  There are questions as to "why" whether it be my parent is a doctor, or my grandmother lives with me etc., but there are some that literally are cowering in fear in the low risk category.  

Not even leaving the property is above the level I've heard of though.

 
culdeus said:
Yeah, hearing these stories out of my kid's school where there are kids that are not going to in-person.  There are questions as to "why" whether it be my parent is a doctor, or my grandmother lives with me etc., but there are some that literally are cowering in fear in the low risk category.  

Not even leaving the property is above the level I've heard of though.
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She walks to the mailbox once per day to get the mail. 

Her parents come and visit her. She stays inside and they sit outside her windows its like bizarro nursing home world.  They are trying everything they can to get her outside. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
She walks to the mailbox once per day to get the mail. 

Her parents come and visit her. She stays inside and they sit outside her windows its like bizarro nursing home world.  They are trying everything they can to get her outside. 
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But I'm sure she wasn't a basket case before this all hit.

 
parasaurolophus said:
I just learned somebody i know hasnt left her property since march. Wont even go for a walk. 

She is my age. That is insane. 
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Gave one of my regular customers her flu shot and she said that was the first store he had been in since March. Her daughter has an autoimmune disease, so I guess that’s decent justification.

 
My sister hasn't left her house since March. Working from home, going to early retire at the end of the year. She has some kind of blood clotting issue and her doctor told her, "Yeah.. You REALLY don't want to get COVID". My 85 year old father went over to visit her one day and my sister and her husband stopped him in the driveway and wouldn't let him come any closer. He was like "I just got tested! I'm by myself and wearing a mask". She told him that she loved him, but he couldn't come any closer. 

Full disclosure, she's always been kind of whacky. 

Unlike most people I run into, I've known people who have died of this. Take it pretty seriously. But I can't take it to that level where I'm going to hide in my house. I get it, she has a pretty serious disorder, but you can let your 85 year old father come over and visit you outside or something. She didn't offer him a lawn chair and have a socially distanced visit, just told him he had to go. 

 
Biff84 said:
Gave one of my regular customers her flu shot and she said that was the first store he had been in since March. Her daughter has an autoimmune disease, so I guess that’s decent justification.
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I've been in a store maybe 4 times total since March.  2 of those times I had no choice

 
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My wife works in a grocery store resetting shelves. It is kind of scary for her and me. Everyone has to wear a mask now, but nobody social distances or follows the one way aisles. She is older and i am immuno compromised. We do what we can, but have to live our lives to some degree.

 
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This should be a major story. Deliberately covering up data to make bars and restaurants seem more dangerous than they are. 

ETA:link fixed

 
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mr roboto said:
Wow. I still go to the store 2-3 times/week like I used to. But I do at least 1/2 the family grocery shopping. 
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Pretty much the same here, minus the family grocery shopping part.  (I don't use coupons correctly, so my wife barred me from buying groceries).  

Back in March/April, I barely went anywhere and probably visited a store maybe every other week or so.  Now I'm pretty much going wherever I need to go more or less like I might have done in January.  The only real difference is that now I'm wearing a mask, I'm keeping my distance from people, and I'm avoiding touching things where possible.  Not too worried about contracting covid -- this virus seems easier to avoid with common sense precautions than what we thought earlier in the spring.

Edit: To be fair, my wife and I very rarely went to a bar or restaurant before all of this started, so we don't miss that part at all.  The only thing I'm still doing differently is that I haven't been to a gym since March, but that's no big deal since I can just run outside.  I'll go back when the weather turns and a treadmill becomes necessary.

 
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Thunderlips said:
I'd like to see that the verification is legit before I start believing this.  Until then....seems kind of "fakish". 
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That would be fairly bold for the news station to completely fabricate those emails and then for a city council member to state they have been confirmed as real and then for the mayors office to not be issuing strong denials and claiming a forgery. 

 
mr roboto said:
Wow. I still go to the store 2-3 times/week like I used to. But I do at least 1/2 the family grocery shopping. 
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I'm not a hermit. We've always done the in store shopper/delivery.

Any take out was/delivered delivered.  Hit a couple drive thrus

And I've been coaching a softball team.

I have been avoiding many indoor places "I can't control".

 
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parasaurolophus said:
That would be fairly bold for the news station to completely fabricate those emails and then for a city council member to state they have been confirmed as real and then for the mayors office to not be issuing strong denials and claiming a forgery. 
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Could be an agenda driven "Fake News" scenario.  

I'd have to see more before I took this as gospel.  

 
Thunderlips said:
parasaurolophus said:
That would be fairly bold for the news station to completely fabricate those emails and then for a city council member to state they have been confirmed as real and then for the mayors office to not be issuing strong denials and claiming a forgery. 
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Could be an agenda driven "Fake News" scenario.  

I'd have to see more before I took this as gospel.  
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I'm starting to think that even the local FOX outlets can no longer be trusted as news sources without corroboration. Well, the article was pulled, so maybe they are doing the responsible thing.

 
Doug B said:
I'm starting to think that even the local FOX outlets can no longer be trusted as news sources without corroboration. Well, the article was pulled, so maybe they are doing the responsible thing.
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Story is still here.Cant figure out why other link says error since it looks like the address is identical. 

Its weird. the tweet is still up and the link in the tweet works. Maybe I somehow put a space in wrong. 

ETA: They just tweeted again about it 3 minutes ago, so yeah somehow just a broken link. Story is 100% legit. 

 
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parasaurolophus said:
Story is still here.Cant figure out why other link says error since it looks like the address is identical. 

Its weird. the tweet is still up and the link in the tweet works. Maybe I somehow put a space in wrong. 

ETA: They just tweeted again about it 3 minutes ago, so yeah somehow just a broken link. Story is 100% legit. 
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The story was pulled, and then put back up. I didn't see the original ... has any detail in the story been changed in any way? Something added, something edited out? Anything like that?

 
Our county has had a big spike in cases in the past 2 weeks. Major university here is almost certainly the cause.  New case numbers for each of the past 2 days have each been more than 2x higher than any other day since this all started.  Very low baseline though - it has not been bad here at all, strict mask guidelines since April with high compliance.  So even 2x higher is still not a lot. 

But hospitalizations are low and flat, no spike at all, at least not yet. Currently less than 1/3 the number hospitalized in April. 

Will be interesting to see the local reaction, if any. Schools are currently 100% online but will soon go back on a hybrid schedule for elementary, talk of starting up high school football. I am hopeful they don't back off of those plans, but will be interesting to see if people panic and want to lock down more.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Story is still here.Cant figure out why other link says error since it looks like the address is identical. 

Its weird. the tweet is still up and the link in the tweet works. Maybe I somehow put a space in wrong. 

ETA: They just tweeted again about it 3 minutes ago, so yeah somehow just a broken link. Story is 100% legit. 
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Sounds like it's possibly being blown out of proportion.  Twitter thread

 
WHO warns of 'very serious situation' in Europe, with 'alarming rates' of virus transmission

Updated 11:05 AM ET, Thu September 17, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/europe/coronavirus-europe-who-second-wave-intl/index.html

The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that coronavirus cases are surging alarmingly in Europe, as a "very serious situation" unfolds across the continent.

As Covid-19 infections spike to record numbers, European governments are imposing strict local measures and weighing up further lockdowns in a bid to halt a second wave of the pandemic.

But WHO regional director Hans Kluge said at a Thursday news conference that the increase in cases should serve as a warning of what is to come.

"Weekly cases have now exceeded those reported when the pandemic first peaked in Europe in March," Kluge said. "Last week, the region's weekly tally exceeded 300,000 patients."

More than half of European nations have reported an increase of more than 10% in new cases in the past two weeks, Kluge added. "Of those, seven countries have seen newly reported cases increase more than two-fold in the same period," he said.

"In the spring and early summer we were able to see the impact of strict lockdown measures. Our efforts, our sacrifices, paid off. In June cases hit an all-time low. The September case numbers, however, should serve as a wake-up call for all of us," he said.

"Although these numbers reflect more comprehensive testing, it also shows alarming rates of transmission across the region."

While there was an increase in cases in older age groups, those aged 50 to 79, in the first week of September, Kluge said, the biggest proportion of new cases is still among 25- to 49-year-olds.

Countries across the continent have been easing lockdowns and reopening their economies, but governments are now scrambling to avert further outbreaks.

"This pandemic has taken so much from us," Kluge said, citing the nearly 4.9 million recorded Covid-19 cases in Europe and more than 226,000 deaths. "And this tells only part of the story," he said. "The impact on our mental health, economies, livelihoods and society has been monumental."
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Doug B said:
The story was pulled, and then put back up. I didn't see the original ... has any detail in the story been changed in any way? Something added, something edited out? Anything like that?
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When i clicked link in my first post after tou said that before i was getting error screen too. But when i clicked through the tweet i got the article. Then went back and clicked my link and got error screen again.

 
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