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Please defend this statement. We know that the majority of voters in the states that matter (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Nevada) are opposed to Medicare for All. We know that this includes most of the unions who historically vote Democrat (including the Culinary Union.) so how is this a winning issue?
Legal weed on day one via executive order (removing marijuana from schedule 1) is a big winner, I'd bet.
A little bit of an understatement. Could you imagine having another year in the market like we just had? It went up 31%. People are gonna be like you wanna do what Bernie?
It’s like you guys haven’t been paying attention for 5 years. Dude was almost the D nominee last time and looks like he will be this time. He’s consistently one of the most popular politicians out there, out polls Trump consistently and will get to run against the worst President of all time. Stop being scared and get onboard.
Its real for a lot of americans that actually vote. Its not real for poor people but poor people don't vote nearly as much as people that aren't poor.
Who is against protecting pre-existing conditions?
It would be, against any other candidate. This is a no brainer for the Democrats: just be the party that protects Obamacare. But Bernie is going to try something completely different.
And what do people think of Trump’s health care plan? When we get to November, majorities with appreciate Bernie’s health care ideas to Trump’s.
Maybe, just maybe, a major party candidate with a 30 year history of loudly arguing for worker's and social benefits might change that. Combine that with the large numbers of people who really don't like Trump, and I think you've got an easy winner.
I think popularity sometimes misrepresents whether he's electable. I love Bernie. I love his passion. I think his policies are gonna be his demise.
Much of the middle class doesn’t care much about the stock market. They care about rising health care and education and housing costs, relatively stagnant wages, huge student loans and credit card bills.
I hope you're all right. In a weak economy, he'd have a good shot. But unless something drastic happens, I see it the other way. I mean its not gonna be any bigger for Trump than it was against Hillary in terms of electoral votes b/c most states are already decided but he'll match what he did last time and more comfortably in the 3 states that the Bernie supporters gave to him in 2016.
Well if you convinced the bernie voters not to cut off their nose to spite their face, we wouldn't be having this conversation about Trump.
I'd assume that the union would force a re-negotiation of their bargaining agreement -- and the business wouldn't have that huge healthcare chip their pocket anymore.
There's a bernie thread if you're looking for some peace and quiet. I promise to stay out of there.
I don't know if his base can do it or not but a moderate democrat has zero chance in this election so we may as well see what happens.
Reminds me of Principle Skinner from the Simpsons - "Am I out of touch? No, it is the children who are wrong".
I cant get guys who are making prevailing wages meaning $57/hour Wages to join the union. They purchase their own healthcare.
You aren't going to be convince me of this.
Entry polls today were saying 63 (may have been 64) % of voters were in favor of Med-4-All. Not sure about how non-dems fare in that regard.
I'm not quite sure why you would say this. Trump's approval rating has been in the low 40s pretty much since the 2016 election. So what makes you think that a non-extreme candidate on the Democratic side couldn't beat him?
Not based on what we saw in 2018. It was moderates that flipped a lot of those seats. Its not like you can't make the case that the Trump economy was just a continuation of the obama economy. Roll back parts of the tax plans that benefit the wealthy. Emphasize infrastructure to keep the economy rolling especially for blue collar. Sure up obamacare. That alone with the distaste that many of the middle have for Trump would be more than enough to give any moderate a good chance.
The difficulty most have imagining his electability right now is that it will depend on getting people who usually don’t vote to come out and vote.
They'll catch their news on reddit the day after and realize that they missed the election.
That's the thing, the people that its not roaring for (poorer people) are the people that don't vote as much.
The biggest challenge I see is that a lot of Republicans are lukewarm on Trump and might stay home if he faces a moderate. But they’ll come out to vote against Bernie.
No one buys any of that that hasn't already been voting democrat every election anyway.
He should do some bong hits then eat some wings washed down with White Claw while complaining about male pattern baldness and vericose veins.
We'll just have to disagree. The distaste for the incumbent is at an abnormally high level among moderates. If the economy took off during the Trump years I'd say you make a stronger point but some of the Obama years were just as good or better than the Trump years so it wouldn't be hard to make the case that a moderate dem (like obama was) could keep that going. I agree that if the Bernie followers stay home, a moderate isn't winning but if they can stomach 4 more years of trump and the affect that will have on the courts, that's on their conscience. I would hope that they would learn their lesson after 2016 but they're young and stubborn so you might be right. In that case, either way the dems are screwed.
Agree with this. Medicare for all, wiping out all student loan debt, $15 minimum wage all sound great in theory, but not realistic. Not to mention he's pushing 80 with a recent heart attack. Trump is going to feast on Bernie with the scary "Socialist" ads. Trump and his minions are licking their chops.
We're still riding a central banking wave that never really came back down to earth. No one will want to be anywhere near it when it does. Something like over half of the US population couldn't afford a $500 emergency. The bottom 20% of the country, on average, is over $6,000 in debt. The corona virus could disrupt global supply chains in ways we can't foresee. Who knows what all this could mean for 2020.
