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***2020 Democrat Primary/Caucus Thread*** Biden Is Your Demoractic Nominee (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
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"Access to healthcare" and Biden's D- environmental grade are great starting points.
Gr00vus
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NutterButter
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Can we all at least agree that what Biden can get through a GOP controlled Senate is >= what Sanders can? It may very well be nothing.
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Henry Ford
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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The Commish
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It's sad that this is significantly better than what we have in office today, but it is what it is. Play the cards you're dealt. That's all you can do
ETA: By the way, has he even come out with an actual plan on environment? I don't think I've seen one and it's not on his website. A link would be helpful, TIA.
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caustic
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This is his climate plan: https://joebiden.com/climate/It's sad that this is significantly better than what we have in office today, but it is what it is. Play the cards you're dealt. That's all you can do
ETA: By the way, has he even come out with an actual plan on environment? I don't think I've seen one and it's not on his website. A link would be helpful, TIA.
He's committed to net-zero emissions by 2050 but I'm not sure he knows how ambitious that goal truly is. His campaign rhetoric on climate has centered around reentering the Paris accord, which Cory Booker accurately described as "kindergarten stuff that nobody should get applause for."
msommer
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Henry Ford
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And got the votes to raise the debt ceiling and lower the bush tax cuts to only cover people making 400k or less per year?
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
This is the problem with the country. I refuse to vote for a turd, polished or not so. Demand better.
caustic
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Of course -- the bar is on the floor right now. My hope is that Biden just appoints someone like Inslee and turns him loose because I don't think climate is one of Uncle Joe's strong suits.
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Leroy Hoard
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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I don’t feel like researching these after looking up the last one. With the possible exception of Murkowski, there will likely be no members of the Republican caucus that resemble the bipartisan flexibility of Snowe, Collins and Specter. I think you are seriously overestimating the ability of anyone to get Republicans to vote for legislation pushed by Democrats, even the amazing Joe Biden.
With all that said, this dialogue has helped clarify for me why you’ve been such proponent of Biden over Bernie. If I agreed with you on this stuff I would feel the same way.
Henry Ford
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It isn’t a lock. But it’s a hell of a lot more likely with Joe than with the other guy.
ShamrockPride
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MSNBC showing a graphic of the Carolinas, VA, TN, AL all saying over half of the demo would prefer to switch to M4A. Biden will need to address that. AAs going with the name recognition, voting against their own interests. Disappointing.
TheMagus
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timschochet
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Every time you see a Medicare 4 All poll, it’s always the same result: the majority wants it, then they learn how much it will cost. Then the number goes way down.
AAABatteries
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AAABatteries
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At some point it would be good if Biden could have a sit down with Bernie and give him a big task for getting on board - something Bernie would be passionate about. Climate change maybe?
Bernie has to “put up or shut up” about Trump when the time comes and I have faith that he will. I also don’t think we’ve reached that stage yet - let’s see how the next few weeks go.
Gr00vus
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Something like 12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump in 2016. Approximately another 8% of Sanders voters didn't vote for Clinton (didn't vote or voted 3rd party). I imagine the numbers will be similar this time.
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Marauder
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Also, just because somebody is in favor of M4A doesn't mean it is their top priority. Many people recognize that M4A is not going to pass in the next 4 years no matter who is President so voting for someone who wants to strengthen Obamacare is the more pragmatic approach. That's not voting against your own interest.
AAABatteries
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Two things:
1. My understanding is that was not that far out of whack with Hillary/Obama numbers
2. Even if I have my facts wrong on #1 it doesn’t follow that there’s a LOT of those people, especially given Hillary is not Biden and everyone has had four years to watch the WPOTUS (worst).
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
He's as "demonizing and divisive" as Trump for telling the truth?
Talk about demonizing someone.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Wait...so Obama isn’t the Democratic establishment now? Looks like Bernie finally figured he also has to earn the rest of the Democratic voters he’s been railing against.
The Commish
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The Commish
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History and current day observation. Tim may be correct that it's simply a vocal minority. That wasn't the case in 2016. He may also be correct that their attitude was primarily because Hillary was the alternative, but current day comments from the likes of social media say otherwise. I might turn on our media for a bit to see what his talking heads are actually saying. Last time, the last thing they were attempting to do was unify.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Do they then compare the total cost of health care to today to show that private health care costs would decline more than public health care costs rise?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m not on any social media so can’t say - I do consistently hear that Bernie fans are horrible online but my thoughts has always been “how many damn people do you people follow??”
I will be very disappointed if Bernie doesn’t strongly endorse Biden and work to get him elected.
Phil Elliott
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AAABatteries
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I think this is one of those times where the narrative writes the story. It's a complete damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If Biden wins, nobody is going to talk about how great it was that Bernie supported him and that his supporters made a wise choice. If he loses, they will point the finger at Bernie supporters whether there's real evidence or not.
The Commish
Footballguy
So these are the questions really. Are they a vocal minority or a buttload pissed off? Time will tell us. Either way, I don't worry about Bernie. He'll drag it out like last time, but will eventually get behind Biden. It's the supporters that are of concern.
Todem
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If his supporters want 4 more years of the Orange Haired Guy......then they will stay home and pout. If they want him out they get behind Biden even though they don’t want him.
Staying home is a vote for Trump. It is really that simple. And quite frankly.....his young legion of supporters may not vote anyway because they are busy doing gravity bong hits in their dorm rooms. I think his college student base get’s overstated on their influence on the election.
I tend to think a vocal minority to answer the question.
The Commish
Footballguy
Agree here...will be conducting experiments over the next few weeks to validate the hypothesis
timschochet
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No. And it’s a very good argument, and it surprised me that Bernie didn’t make this argument until the last debate and Warren never made it at all.
But that doesn’t affect what I wrote about the polling.
roadkill1292
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You have to take a closer look at the numbers. Only about a third of the roughly 16 million college-aged eligible voters are actually in college. They're big Bernie supporters but turnout has historically been dismal for that age group. But there are about 80 million eligible voters under 40 and that bunch opposes Trump by a 2-1 margin. They came out at rates of 35-40% in 2018; if they hit 45% in November, Don is toast.Todem said:
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
What's going on with vote counting in California? They wanted to be an important super Tuesday state but they've been as bad as Iowa.
msommer
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
They have mail-in voting and I think as long as your ballot is postmarked by election day it gets counted.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I doubt it. I would guess that the college students of that age support Bernie to a higher degree than their non-college-attending peers but I don't know that for sure.
timschochet
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I’m quite sure it’s sheer coincidence, but Trump ally Senator Ron Johnson announces a new investigation into Burisma and Hunter Biden:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/485930-gop-senator-to-force-vote-next-week-in-biden-burisma-probe%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/485930-gop-senator-to-force-vote-next-week-in-biden-burisma-probe%3famp
Juxtatarot
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I guess I have mixed feeling about that. On the one hand, we want to make things easy for people to vote. However, it's also seems important to have the results of elections released to the public as quickly as possible.
You could mail in ballots as late as the election day. I thought I recalled reading they will have them all totaled up by the 6th, but I am not sure if that is accurate.
msommer
Footballguy
That is likely exactly what they are doing - on the basis of the current available ways to vote. If you are saying "it would be quicker if..." that is another argument that does not say that "California is not releasing election results as quickly as they can" implying some sort of delay, intentional or otherwise.
I'm guessing that ( "it would be quicker if...") is what you meant, if not what you wrote
Juxtatarot
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Just a slight correction. This is announcing a vote pursuing a subpoena on a investigation that has been going on for several months. Yes, the vote may just be coincidence or not.
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