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Government Response To The Coronavirus (8 Viewers)
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mcintyre1
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So it sounds like the stimulus bill is likely to be approved today after negotiations.
Question for the GOP side here: given that it only took ~2 days to hammer this into something both sides can be happy with, why didn't that happen over the weekend while the GOP Senators were writing a bill only within their caucus? Why waste time with that when you know you're going to need to negotiate to get this thing passed?
The cynic in me says it's because the GOP wanted to be able to spin this as the Democrats "holding things up." Any more charitable reason out there?
Question for the GOP side here: given that it only took ~2 days to hammer this into something both sides can be happy with, why didn't that happen over the weekend while the GOP Senators were writing a bill only within their caucus? Why waste time with that when you know you're going to need to negotiate to get this thing passed?
The cynic in me says it's because the GOP wanted to be able to spin this as the Democrats "holding things up." Any more charitable reason out there?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It's his discretion. Are you uncomfortable putting a number on how many dead bodies you're ok with?
Morton Muffley
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The Commish
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The Commish
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Fun fact....checked with a friend of mine when I heard the Charlotte lockdown news. She's been at home sick with all the symptoms of coronavirus for 10 days. STILL doesn't have her test results back because of the backlog in testing.
RnR
Footballguy
I think you severely underestimate the amount of people in areas that aren't severely impacted at the moment who will say "screw it, I'm going back to work" if you give them the invisible monster routine without some sort of timeline for your action plan. He can always push it back again when the time gets closer. People need something to strive for... a carrot at the end of the string.
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Widbil83
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This is probably not good news:
Phil Landeros@PhilLanderos · 58m
Atlanta Mayor tells #cbs46 News ICU units in hospitals across the city are at capacity #BREAKING #Exclusive on @cbs46
For me - this is one of the bigger concerns as most of us watch NYC from a distance - how many more hot spots are going to pop up, and what does their time frame look like.
Phil Landeros@PhilLanderos · 58m
Atlanta Mayor tells #cbs46 News ICU units in hospitals across the city are at capacity #BREAKING #Exclusive on @cbs46
For me - this is one of the bigger concerns as most of us watch NYC from a distance - how many more hot spots are going to pop up, and what does their time frame look like.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He doesn't seem to be getting any better at talking.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Whoa. Surprise briefing and Fauci is back!!!!!!!!!!
BigSteelThrill
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jonessed
Footballguy
I don’t agree with your premise, so I can’t really answer. Trump can’t magically create ventilators. I’m also not aware that there are people that have died because hospitals are short ventilators. There isn’t a current shortage. There’s an expected shortage, but there’s also production capacity coming online.
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Leroy Hoard
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He's getting closer and closer to that Flock of Seagulls hair style.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Its pointless to argue...but the HHS says he was named by Azar...the only link you provided didnt say otherwise. Lets move on...this is foolish.
Widbil83
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
He looks like he's been beaten with a garden hose, but he's there. GB him and Birx still trying to string this out for the American people, but it's obviously wearing on them trying to thread the needle of telling the truth while standing next to a President that isn't interested in that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes. We got that crap show on fox. Propaganda and nothing from the task force or experts?
Rich Conway
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Let's try that in reverse. If you want to give him credit for the day-to-day operations of the CDC, then he has to take blame as well. By far the biggest screwups so far are 1) the US was unable to test for a month or more, and 2) Trump personally and repeatedly downplayed the severity of this. In your scenario, how can you possibly give him credit for his actions? Those two things alone far outweigh any possible positive actions on his part.
RnR
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Widbil83
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Mr. Pickles
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Leroy Hoard
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Problem is only one of them is currently President. Unless of course we are still deflecting blame both to the past and future.
As always, the buck never stops here. It's always someone else's fault.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You were the one who introduced the premise of dead bodies and what would be acceptable. He can't perform magic, that's not a concept I've introduced, but you have. Now twice. He does, however, have executive powers authorized to order increased manufacturing.
And, there is a current ventilator shortage. Even Trump in all his incompetence acknowledged as much, only to say it's not his fault and could never have been foreseen.
I really don't see where it made a difference. We are on a better trajectory than our European counterparts.
sho nuff
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RnR
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BigSteelThrill
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Trump is going back to his democratic roots..giving away more than Bernie. At UPS we were all watching and the loading crews were chanting Trump..Trump..Trump.
I do agree we need to be more self sufficient in every area and not ever get caught short and depend on China or anywhere.
I do agree we need to be more self sufficient in every area and not ever get caught short and depend on China or anywhere.
SaintsInDome2006
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
All of the talk about people "escaping" NYC has me more worried than before -- obviously it was going to happen, but the fact that they're concerned enough about it to keep talking about it and advise people to a) not leave and b) if they have left, to quarantine for 14 days tells me that they're very worried about that hotspot spreading very wide. Considering what we saw happen in Italy, that's a very valid worry. I'd be happy to be wrong, but it feels like we're closing the barn door after the horse escaped, as it were.
BobbyLayne
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Tony, could you stand directly behind the podium do we don’t have any overnight memes?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
So nineteen days until we start Wave Two?
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Fauci (and even Trump, to a degree) are talking so much about "flexibility" re: the Easter date that I'm guessing that date is essentially meaningless. This is a kind of wishful hope that I'm OK with, so long as we don't let it override public health policy (as opposed to the dangerous talk about medical miracles we got last week).
higgins
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Widbil83
Footballguy
Maybe a little more self awareness, especially when you want to trash the President for not holding a press briefing when we are literally watching a live press briefing.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Actually April 12 would be 27-28 days from the start of (kinda nationwide) social distancing. Not completely insane.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So...more trying to talk about the poster rather than understanding i asked a question. As expected.
RnR
Footballguy
I'm afraid it's a pipe dream for places like NYC, but if the majority of the country will take it seriously through that date I think it may actually be very realistic for many areas.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
My worry is that we're just too interconnected for it not to continue to spread outside of the hotspots unless we like, wall them off (and even then, people are going to get out). Italy tried just isolating the "hotspot" in the north and it really didn't work. I'm just skeptical that it'll work a lot better for us given how many more people we'd need to test to make it effective.
Here's hoping I'm wrong.
parasaurolophus
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If this is true we stand no chance to flatten the curve below where it would need to be. They have 1000 cases in the whole state. If Atlanta cant handle what would likely be less than 100 ICU cases, we arent going to save too many lives considering how long it takes to recover.
RnR
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
More of these press briefings should be like that. Short, to the point, relatively measured with a focus on the experts. Trump did OK today, kind of like the start of last week. I'm guessing the stimulus bill and the positive reaction the market had to it bears some responsibility there.
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